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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On October 09 2010 10:16 WiljushkA wrote: im fairly sure that crow you posted doesnt have enough cpu. All fittings work with WU 5, AWU 4 and the rigging skills to 4. The crow however even works with launcher rigging 2. You've been a better EFT warrior, I'm disappointed. | ||
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Inzek
Chile802 Posts
drones for tracking.. could make actually unkillable rigth? | ||
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
just dont even bother with an anti-em rig. the only reason to put that on is cause of the crusaders and youre still gonna lose horribly to them. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On October 09 2010 19:11 WiljushkA wrote: oh youve got a gatling pulse on and 1 dmg rig. fail. just dont even bother with an anti-em rig. the only reason to put that on is cause of the crusaders and youre still gonna lose horribly to them. Hmm... you are right actually. Switch the Anti-EM for an Anti-Thermal? Would help vs Ranisses. I just don't see the point of any kind of speed rig instead and more damage doesn't seem possible. Unless you find a way to pimp that fit any further. Any ideas? Someone should bug faffy ingame on why the uses that anti-em rig.. if the answer is "to win against crusaders" I will have no clue what to say though tbh. Oh, wait, I could log in myself and ask him. Durr, effort. :/ Actually, what about this? +7/+8 dps. Ofcourse it pushes the pricetag, but, hey, moar dps!!!11 + Show Spoiler + [Crow, Faffyissue #2] Internal Force Field Array I Ballistic Control System II Overdrive Injector System II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Gatling Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Small Bay Loading Accelerator I Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I | ||
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bN`
Slovenia504 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On October 09 2010 20:58 bN` wrote: I guess I'll chip in and say that revo completely missed the rail ranis, which prometheus exenthal(creator of frigank series) has made popular. I'm pretty sure it takes down any other interceptor but loses to the dramiel, as does everything except a daredevil. It's completely focused on dogfights and does have the "hey i'll kill this ratting raven" capability the dual prop fit has. Link the fit and I'll throw it in, though yes, you are right I have never heard about that. Also it seems I need to download his videos. =P Also I suck at daredevil fits and know no one who is good with them, so feel free to throw in a fit for those, too. | ||
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
thats close to what i used to fly. this is my fit and in my not so humble opinion its the optimal one for starting out (not too expensive, easy to fly, shitload of dps). [Crow, cheese] Ballistic Control System II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Overdrive Injector System II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Small Bay Loading Accelerator I it may or may not require a 1% cpu implant. | ||
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
So yesterday me and some of my corp mates were flying around in metropolis looking for some war targets. We are currently war decked with a corp and have been fighting them for the last 2 months. Today i had decided to take out my purifer (stealth bomber) and see what i could do with it. While i am not at the level of toon skill that i would like to be, i decided to just take it out anyway, and act as a scout / heavy DPS unit. The night started rather boring. Me and the rest of our fleet, which consisted of 3 tempest, 1 sb, 1 harbringer, 1 scorp, vexor and another t1 cruiser that i cannot remember right now- went up and down the pipe looking for something good. Well luck was on our side when i had decided to venture ahead, and look into system that they were known to visit. One i jumped in, and looked at local- i noticed that there were 3 wt in system. I notified the FC and warped to the sun, to begin my DS work. 5 or so min later i had narrowed them down to one of the stations orbiting close to a moon. Upon further inspection i noticed that one fo the them was sitting at 0 form the station, while the other was inside. The wt was in a drake, and because i was sitting only 30k away from her cloaked, could keep eyes on the target and keep my fc constantly updated. We decided to set up some bait, so the vexor pilot warped close to the station, and tried to get the drake to agress. Thankfully she decided to engage, and started to burn away from the station. Once she had began to attack the vexor, the work was givin for half of our fleet to jump into our system, and warp to me. Sadly- by the time they had gotten there, the vexor was finished. At this point i de cloaked, and decided to rain down some fury. With all of my torps activated, i started to slam the drake for 1.3k damage a volley. Sadly, none of the battle ships made it to me in time, and only a faster bc got their in time to through some pot shots in. The drake decided to disengage, and went straight back to the station to wait out her 60 second timer. I couldn't kill her in time. With her shields just at 25-20% she slipped inside. If only i could use my bombs  However this was not to be the end of the night! She had decided to get a bit cocky and once all of us had dispersed from the station (except for me) she ventured out, and stayed at 0 on the gate. She had a nice pretty t2 fitted maelstrom fitted, and was in local looking for a fight. I decided to humor her, and ask for a 1v1 and tried to keep her talking, and hopefully move her away from the station in time. However she never moved more than 5 k away, and we sat there for about 30min, me just looking at her, and she clueless as to where i was. Luckily the FC had a nice idea, and sent of out cruiser pilots to the the station, and told him to dock immediately. Because the maelstrom pilot was un-aware of the fleet we had 1 jump out, she was getting fairly cocky, and started to turn back twards the station, the second the cruiser came up on overview. She docked inside with him, and came out shortly after with a hurricane. I kept chatting to her in local, trying to be cocky and get her to rush out, or move farther away from the gate. thats when my fc had a great idea. He had the cruiser piolot but a t1 tackle frig in station and get ready to web and point that hurricane down. Hopefully with me and him acting as bait, the rest of our fleet would have time to melt her before the 60 second timer was up. So with everything givin the green light- i began to move cloaked towards her. I positioned myself about 3k away from the station, and i was only 3 k away from her. I was to be the warping point for my fleet- so they could get between her and the station. I was shitting buckets with things so close to me, and when she let out a flight of light drones, and were circling so close, i almost soiled my pants. The green light was given finally, and the little tack frig busted out of the station, and began to orbit, and get a point and web on. She responded immediately and sicked all of her drones on him. At this point, i decloacked and started to fire my torps. the rest of our fleet was in bound, and she only had time to take one shot at me before a tempest showed up, and really brought the heat. I was hitting for a respectable 1.4-1.8k per salvo, and it looked like we might just get her this time. The the crazy happened. The other wt that was still inside the gate came out with a mega. But here is where it gets epic, they still didn't know abut the other half of our fleet! As soon as we saw the mega everything warped on top of us- and we roared to life! Sadly the hurricane got back in station, but the mega- well the mega decided to neutral rep the hurricane, and it immediately became a war target. What happened next was art :0 We primaried the mega, and brought it down. Inches from the station! here is the battle report. Sadly i had to reload my torps half way through the battle, but i still had some respectable dps for a frig. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=11421734 | ||
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Dexxus
United States329 Posts
EDIT: This fit is too tight for normal scenarios, so on my taranis I drop a magstab for an ODI. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On October 09 2010 20:58 bN` wrote: I guess I'll chip in and say that revo completely missed the rail ranis, which prometheus exenthal(creator of frigank series) has made popular. I'm pretty sure it takes down any other interceptor but loses to the dramiel, as does everything except a daredevil. It's completely focused on dogfights and does have the "hey i'll kill this ratting raven" capability the dual prop fit has. Rail ranis is capable of killing a dramiel no problem because by the time its in range to kill you (or even damage you) its down to structure. This relies on the Ranis pilot being good and the Dramiel being a bit slow on the uptake but its not exactly an impossible fight. Daredevil is probably the best dogfighting frigate in the game though. The RailDevil fit kills EVERYTHING, especially with a decent web on it. Be wary of slicers >.> Good pilots of those put out retarded DPS Other than that Faffyissue Crows and Vengeance are going to be monsters once the rocket buffs come into effect. | ||
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
also rockets dont need buffs, people's intellects do. if they buff rockets theres gonna be so much whine when people figure out how op they are. also crows wont be such good ceptors cause then people will actually think before engaging them | ||
KwarK
United States44278 Posts
On October 09 2010 23:10 Dexxus wrote: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=10893116 EDIT: This fit is too tight for normal scenarios, so on my taranis I drop a magstab for an ODI. 14m DCU on a 30m fit is the definition of how not to use meta. No way it makes it 50% better but it ups the cost by 50%. | ||
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Dexxus
United States329 Posts
On October 10 2010 01:43 KwarK wrote: 14m DCU on a 30m fit is the definition of how not to use meta. No way it makes it 50% better but it ups the cost by 50%. You don't use a meta DCU if you are going for the 1 x gyro, 1 x ODI fit. Then you can just use T2. | ||
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bN`
Slovenia504 Posts
14m DCU on a 30m fit is the definition of how not to use meta. No way it makes it 50% better but it ups the cost by 50%. Same way an invul that costs 150x the t2 variant doesn't make a drake 150x better? :> You fit the meta 4 dcu because you can then fit another mag stab. That other mag stab can very likely be the difference between living and dying. It's not the tank you're looking it getting the dps increase while gimping your tank for the minimum ammount(compared ot a t2 dcu) | ||
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Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On October 10 2010 07:37 Arhkangel wrote: HAPPY BIRTHDAY REVO! Trolled. I have in two days, apparently I entered it wrong for w/e reason when I registered at TL but I can't edit it now. But thanks anyway. <3 On the pricetag discussion... T2 is about 15-20% better than T1 yet costs easily 10-100times more. However, in a PvP situation even being 3% better makes you the winner. That's why it's highly efficient using high-meta/faction/complex fittings IF you are able to be a good pilot with the normal fittings anyway. Basicly when you are good enough the only reason to die in a ceptor should be because you purposely went in to suicide or something completely unexpected happened. Reminds me, faffy flew his 200mil pimped malediction for like 4 months, even in fleetfights and all, then died to a caracal. I had so much fun on ventrillo back then. :D Edit: ARE THEY SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING TO BUFF ROCKETS? lololololol ... I'm so with vil on that, buff peoples intellect please. Everytime the "rockets suck" discussion comes up I just link faffys kb which leads to "Yeah, just because one dude is good with them doesn't mean they are good..." ... When will people learn, that the majority whether if it's eve, starcraft or anything else in life is usually pretty damn bad at what they do compared to what's really possible? :D | ||
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
also faffys maledictions with domination warp disruptors were always amazingly ballsy. and rev, happy birthday now cause im gonna forget about it in two days :p | ||
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SWPIGWANG
Canada482 Posts
3% is a workable advantage in pvp, but utterly useless in pvppppp... do people ever honor 1v1 any more? I guess frig fights are fast enough so that random blobs are unlikely to show up during the fight... Will hookbill become the new FOTM? 4 mids means dual webs and it might have a shot at pwning draimels if rockets become decent. And then there is the uber tanking vengence that now actually have dps. I'm really wondering what I should get for my next frig V. I have minmatar frig V already but want a kin/therm bomber for pve and I have more sp in missile skills than gun skills, and a decent amount in drones. Gal frig V or Caldari.... | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On October 10 2010 09:51 SWPIGWANG wrote: Booster fit in a fleet fight? *wtf* 3% is a workable advantage in pvp, but utterly useless in pvppppp... do people ever honor 1v1 any more? I guess frig fights are fast enough so that random blobs are unlikely to show up during the fight... Will hookbill become the new FOTM? 4 mids means dual webs and it might have a shot at pwning draimels if rockets become decent. And then there is the uber tanking vengence that now actually have dps. I'm really wondering what I should get for my next frig V. I have minmatar frig V already but want a kin/therm bomber for pve and I have more sp in missile skills than gun skills, and a decent amount in drones. Gal frig V or Caldari.... There are quite some ships which are fine if active tanked in fleetfights. Even though fitting them for pure buffer might be the best choice in most situations ships like the Maelstrom, Machariel or Sleipnir/Claymore can definitly be beasts if activetanked. Which also means that they can bait/keep the fight going after the initial clash where logi might be forced off the field/get killed. You don't ask "1v1?" in local. You find their fleet/gatecamp, you maneuver in ways which split their fleet up since you are the victim. Then you go "yeah, right" and rape them while they are isolated. Especially in combat ceptors/AFs/Nanohacs this can lead to huge fights, their tacklers just keep throwing themselves at you because, well, their buddies are just one warp away and they can hold out long enough, right?  Ever seen a defense gang throw themselves at a 3-10 men fleet? I used to laugh so hard when darkside rolled into our pocket in scalding during aussie/early EU timezone. They had fleets like 2 cynabals, dramiel, scimitar and a cerberus and killed like 10 ceptors each time someone got a fleet going vs them. Because 30 vs 5 is such an easy win, right? On the frig V thing, that's really a tough one. Gallente enables Ishkur/Taranis, the Ares gets outperformed by the stiletto easily. Don't forget the dramiel and the navy comet (hell yes, so underrated!) though. Not to mention it get's you closer to the cynabal. Caldari means you get the crow... and... well... the crow and the... harpy...! Actually it's not as tough as I thought. If you like the high-dps stuff, go for gallente, if the crow sounds promising for solo, go for caldari imo. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On October 09 2010 23:44 WiljushkA wrote: you living in an alternate universe where dramiels dont fit afterburners jayme? also rockets dont need buffs, people's intellects do. if they buff rockets theres gonna be so much whine when people figure out how op they are. also crows wont be such good ceptors cause then people will actually think before engaging them You live in a universe where every Dram pilot is a perfect dual prop pilot? Cause a lot of the ones ive run into here and there arent even fitting dual prob anymore.... im not entirely sure WHY but yea. I mention daredevil because of its stupid DPS and the stupid Web bonus it gets. Taranis is more of a 50/50 but a Daredevil should never ever lose to a dramiel...ever. | ||
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