EPTTD's too. No counter, counters everything EWAR? Eh`?
Even if it's only proposed changes so far, and it's not yet reached the theorycraft for BC's it doesn't really look promising.
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Divine-Sneaker
Denmark1225 Posts
TD's too. No counter, counters everything EWAR? Eh`? Even if it's only proposed changes so far, and it's not yet reached the theorycraft for BC's it doesn't really look promising. | ||
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DiracMonopole
United States1555 Posts
On September 19 2012 02:39 tooDARKpark wrote: I assume Tracking Computers will also work on missile boats? In any case, these TD changes and the crazy Arbitrator buff means these will likely be showing up on a lot more fits. The new meta will be TDs on fucking everything. Solo drakes are dead, since between the 20% damage nerf and the TDs affecting you, you will die even with dual webs to solo frigates. | ||
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Mandini
United States1717 Posts
78% range reduction from ~120k away. All i need now is a 7.5% per level td bonus on the curse and my life is complete. People said i was dumb for training info links. Ha. | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
Of course it doesn't. I'm simply asking why missiles should provide consistent DPS that is higher than all other long range turrets in their optimals and can project that DPS longer than those same turrets' falloff distance. What is wrong with having advantages to choosing other weapons platforms besides HML's ? Why not have pro's and con's for each instead of HML being better in every single way? Ashera Yune wrote: Because those long range systems can outdps HML at closer ranges? Isn't that not obvious? How did a dummy like you become CSM? Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Um, please actually run the numbers - check out rails on the Ferox, rails on the Brutix, beams on the Harbinger, and artillery on the Hurricane. Load tech 2 long-range ammo. Compare. Please demonstrate how these systems do more raw DPS at closer ranges than HML's, than you can continue calling me a dummy CSM. such a gem <3 | ||
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On September 19 2012 03:15 Pufftrees wrote: Wild changes, I feel cooler knowing I have a max curse/pilgrim toon and info link Is the main corp centered in assah still? I see kills in ecxdash a lot still, are those just special snowflakes? We have a lot of people in both Assah and Saranen. | ||
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Body_Shield
Canada3368 Posts
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
I certainly wouldn't mind freeing up a couple million skill points from a dumb design. While i can appreciate that the long term plan is to reduce battlecruisers' effectiveness compared to cruiser, I wish they wouldn't try to band-aid this and just do the necessary and introduce a separate weapon size for bc. Currently theres next to no reason to use a t1 cruiser over a t1 bc, the difference in training is generally mere hours. There needs to be a more conscious difference for larger fleet meta. all in all I like the changes for what they are intended to do, change up fleet meta for sizable fleets. They do suck for small gang where ecm can be so powerful, but CCP has rarely concerned themselves with the ultra-small gang niche so I can't have the same outrage as the rest of you on it. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19150 Posts
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
On September 19 2012 05:29 tofucake wrote: Frig -> Dessie is supposed to be the same leap as Cruiser -> BC Except the dessie had a clear difference in role. That is to say that the role for the longest of time was that it could not act like a frig. Frigs simply could do things dessies couldn't and the only longstanding role for the dessie was that it could murder most frigs. In the world of cruisers and battlecruisers there was no distinction. A lot of this has to do with the lulzy fitting abilities that nearly all Bc's have. You can usually have it all, whereas in a cruiser you're typically stuck in a ship that even when trying to focus on doing one thing well, still sucks compared to what you could get in a couple hours of training bc. No one planning a fleet comp sits and thinks, hey theres a decent reason why i would want a caracal over a drake, other than to invite fights because im using a subpar ship over what i should be using. Otherwise in the fleet meta its hey, wait two hours and come in bc2 level drake. They best way of pushing a role gap here is to push in a new weapon level, and reduce tracking from the new bc weapon size and up. Thislets you keep cruisers as, capable of having some defense against frigs and able to better stay under the guns of battleship and to an extent better favorable terms fighting a bc, while expanding upon weaknesses in battleship size weapon doctrines. Otherwise, t1 cruisers are things you do for the lulz, and because hey you need cruiser V to fly t2. | ||
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Johnny Business
Sweden1251 Posts
Sorry From: Recnarion Sent: 2012.09.18 20:56 To: Stimfisk Lennelluc, I'm sorry for killing and poding you i thought you were a pirate, i later understood that when i read the killmail. Im refunding you for your loss. i also changed my viewing settings so that next time i wont do the same to another minmatar. Recnarion Just got this mail on one of my farmers +7m isk in my wallet | ||
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s0Li
United States406 Posts
On September 19 2012 00:29 419 wrote: wtb amarr toon ahahaha better train infolinks on link alts m8s 25 steps ahead of you! + Show Spoiler [linking] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8qZtC.png?1) | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34495 Posts
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
Tengu Pre Winter / Tengu Post Winter (Tengu shown with all lv5 skills, 3 BCS, heated CN scourge) 586 / 468 122 km / 85 km Drake Pre Winter / Drake Post Winter (Drake shown with all lv5 skills, 2 BCS heated CN scourge) 433 / 346 81km / 56km CNI Pre Winter / CNI Post Winter (CNI shown with all lv5 skills, 2 BCS heated CN scourge) 387 / 309 122 km / 85 km Now the best part- CNI Pre Winter / CNI Post Winter (CNI shown with all lv5 Skills, 2BCS Heated Rapid Light MIssile CN Scourge ) 232 / 232 60 km / 50km Yes ladies and gentleman, your CNI will now have more applied damage with light missiles, against everything!!! HUZZAH! Same goes for the drake. Guess you could try HAM tengu / Cerb but the velocity on those things, makes hitting frigs impossible. For those of you that can only fly 4 ships, and happen to have perfect CNI, DRAKE, TENGU with 7.5mil SP in missiles Kill yourself now. | ||
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
On September 19 2012 10:30 Ramiel wrote: Bitching awesome winter redux on missiles. Tengu Pre Winter / Tengu Post Winter (Tengu shown with all lv5 skills, 3 BCS, heated CN scourge) 586 / 468 122 km / 85 km Drake Pre Winter / Drake Post Winter (Drake shown with all lv5 skills, 2 BCS heated CN scourge) 433 / 346 81km / 56km CNI Pre Winter / CNI Post Winter (CNI shown with all lv5 skills, 2 BCS heated CN scourge) 387 / 309 122 km / 85 km Now the best part- CNI Pre Winter / CNI Post Winter (CNI shown with all lv5 Skills, 2BCS Heated Rapid Light MIssile CN Scourge ) 232 / 232 60 km / 50km Yes ladies and gentleman, your CNI will now have more applied damage with light missiles, against everything!!! HUZZAH! Same goes for the drake. Guess you could try HAM tengu / Cerb but the velocity on those things, makes hitting frigs impossible. For those of you that can only fly 4 ships, and happen to have perfect CNI, DRAKE, TENGU with 7.5mil SP in missiles Kill yourself now. Eve rule of thumb is to specialize, more and more I'm starting to side with the finance training in me and say, diversify your (skill) portfolio. | ||
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
On September 19 2012 11:09 abominare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 10:30 Ramiel wrote: Bitching awesome winter redux on missiles. Tengu Pre Winter / Tengu Post Winter (Tengu shown with all lv5 skills, 3 BCS, heated CN scourge) 586 / 468 122 km / 85 km Drake Pre Winter / Drake Post Winter (Drake shown with all lv5 skills, 2 BCS heated CN scourge) 433 / 346 81km / 56km CNI Pre Winter / CNI Post Winter (CNI shown with all lv5 skills, 2 BCS heated CN scourge) 387 / 309 122 km / 85 km Now the best part- CNI Pre Winter / CNI Post Winter (CNI shown with all lv5 Skills, 2BCS Heated Rapid Light MIssile CN Scourge ) 232 / 232 60 km / 50km Yes ladies and gentleman, your CNI will now have more applied damage with light missiles, against everything!!! HUZZAH! Same goes for the drake. Guess you could try HAM tengu / Cerb but the velocity on those things, makes hitting frigs impossible. For those of you that can only fly 4 ships, and happen to have perfect CNI, DRAKE, TENGU with 7.5mil SP in missiles Kill yourself now. Eve rule of thumb is to specialize, more and more I'm starting to side with the finance training in me and say, diversify your (skill) portfolio. I agree whole heartedly... diversify~ DIVERSIFY YO BONDS! | ||
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
Drake 346 DPS / 56KM CNI 291 DPS / 60KM Even worse... scourge fury light missile gets way more applied dps than HML drake... CNI even gets longer range...... LOOOOOOL | ||
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NathanEO
Germany254 Posts
On September 19 2012 10:30 Ramiel wrote: For those of you that can only fly 4 ships, and happen to have perfect CNI, DRAKE, TENGU with 7.5mil SP in missiles Kill yourself now. 9mil in missiles, it's 9 mil SP for my perfect Drake/Tengu char. Is and will be cross training into Amarr victor boats for the next month. Good thing I have another one with 19mil into Gunneries even before all the laser specs. Edit: HAMs might actually be okayish especially with buff to small target damage application. | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
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Big Monkey
United Kingdom473 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34495 Posts
On September 19 2012 17:28 Big Monkey wrote: Nice to see Ec policing has returned, glad i havent deleted all my bm's. I should be back tomorrow night, looking forward to flying a harb, not too fussed about the missile changes as i dont have missile skills, i was going to train them but now dont see the point. Will need to get some ships down to Sara on my return if we gonna be playing games there again. Been thinking about a basilisk with guns, could be a interesting option seeing as the resists are so high, drop a blue pill n u got a pretty hard ship to kill. No doubt someone will tell me how bad i am Any time someone does this you can tell them, 'I am an Iron Man, gtfo' | ||
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