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On August 14 2008 00:06 yenta wrote:
Besides that suit they have is rediculous. I remember the drop in time I had from just getting a second gen fast skin - this thing is even crazier. Not only does it wick water away from your body (youre dry underneath the suit when you come out of the water btw) It also compresses the muscle in your arms/legs to improve performance. You can see the difference in suits between swimmers - The countries that dont have contracts with Speedo - and are stuck with Arena, Adidas, or Diana (worst suits) are really hurting.
I know Japan's breastroker specifically broke contract to get his speedo suit and it sure as hell paid off for him.
Also - the pool. Lane technology has come such a far way. They were showing the warmup pool a few days ago, and you can see how well wider lanes, deeper lanes, and better lanelines squelch waves between lanes - an active lane had no effect on the glass like surface the lane over.
Since you seem to have swum competitively, why do some swimmers wear only the pants for their individual races, but wear the suits with the top during relays? An example is michael phelps. When he swims his individual races he only wears the pants, but wears more when he does relays. Any idea why he does this? You'd think he would be more comfortable wearing one rather than the other
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On August 14 2008 00:37 KOFgokuon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2008 00:06 yenta wrote:
Besides that suit they have is rediculous. I remember the drop in time I had from just getting a second gen fast skin - this thing is even crazier. Not only does it wick water away from your body (youre dry underneath the suit when you come out of the water btw) It also compresses the muscle in your arms/legs to improve performance. You can see the difference in suits between swimmers - The countries that dont have contracts with Speedo - and are stuck with Arena, Adidas, or Diana (worst suits) are really hurting.
I know Japan's breastroker specifically broke contract to get his speedo suit and it sure as hell paid off for him.
Also - the pool. Lane technology has come such a far way. They were showing the warmup pool a few days ago, and you can see how well wider lanes, deeper lanes, and better lanelines squelch waves between lanes - an active lane had no effect on the glass like surface the lane over. Since you seem to have swum competitively, why do some swimmers wear only the pants for their individual races, but wear the suits with the top during relays? An example is michael phelps. When he swims his individual races he only wears the pants, but wears more when he does relays. Any idea why he does this? You'd think he would be more comfortable wearing one rather than the other
A couple of reasons:
Some strokes/races simply feel better in certain suits. For instance, I personally dislike swimming breastroke in a legskin, so I almost always wear a jammer for IMs and breastroke. Sometimes it's also on a race by race basis, I simply feel like wearing a certain suit at a certain time.
You're limited by the number of suits you have. I'm sure Michael has a ton of suits from Speedo, but the fact is that you can't really wear the same suit twice in one session. Racing suits are designed to be worn dry, and after you swim, the rarely have the time to dry off completely in between races, especially if you wear them while warming down. Therefore, unless Michael has 3-4 bodysuits, he's not going to be racing in one every race.
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On August 14 2008 00:21 Krowser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2008 23:59 yenta wrote:On August 13 2008 23:37 new_construct wrote:
lol i see alot of swimmers have premature balding, i wonder if it has anything to do with doping Its the chlorine. It eats hair. Usually only girls wear caps when they swim, the guys don't. My hair is still horrible 2 years after I stopped swimming. During the end of a season it would fall out in clumps :/ Pretty disgusting. Hey I was wondering about that. It seems that recently everyone is switching from Chlorine to Salt. What are they using in the olympic pools? Edit: Nerf Phelps!
I have no clue what they are using, but ionized pools are alot healthier (but the water tastes horrible  )
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On August 13 2008 18:02 Storchen wrote:
I just can't believe my eyes when seeing Phelps swim. He's breaking world records more often then I change underwear :O The guy is fucking amazing.
A few times in 8 years? Ewwwww
EDIT: Yeah, when I watched him swim, it was insane. it didn't even look like competition, just like a bunch of guys in a line following the leader (Phelps). He truly is amazing.
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On August 14 2008 00:49 theonemephisto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2008 00:37 KOFgokuon wrote:On August 14 2008 00:06 yenta wrote:
Besides that suit they have is rediculous. I remember the drop in time I had from just getting a second gen fast skin - this thing is even crazier. Not only does it wick water away from your body (youre dry underneath the suit when you come out of the water btw) It also compresses the muscle in your arms/legs to improve performance. You can see the difference in suits between swimmers - The countries that dont have contracts with Speedo - and are stuck with Arena, Adidas, or Diana (worst suits) are really hurting.
I know Japan's breastroker specifically broke contract to get his speedo suit and it sure as hell paid off for him.
Also - the pool. Lane technology has come such a far way. They were showing the warmup pool a few days ago, and you can see how well wider lanes, deeper lanes, and better lanelines squelch waves between lanes - an active lane had no effect on the glass like surface the lane over. Since you seem to have swum competitively, why do some swimmers wear only the pants for their individual races, but wear the suits with the top during relays? An example is michael phelps. When he swims his individual races he only wears the pants, but wears more when he does relays. Any idea why he does this? You'd think he would be more comfortable wearing one rather than the other A couple of reasons: Some strokes/races simply feel better in certain suits. For instance, I personally dislike swimming breastroke in a legskin, so I almost always wear a jammer for IMs and breastroke. Sometimes it's also on a race by race basis, I simply feel like wearing a certain suit at a certain time. You're limited by the number of suits you have. I'm sure Michael has a ton of suits from Speedo, but the fact is that you can't really wear the same suit twice in one session. Racing suits are designed to be worn dry, and after you swim, the rarely have the time to dry off completely in between races, especially if you wear them while warming down. Therefore, unless Michael has 3-4 bodysuits, he's not going to be racing in one every race.
To add on to this - you have two types of strokes, long axis and short axis, in reference to how your body rotates as you swim. Breastroke and Fly are short axis (its all in the hips) and crawl (freestyle) / backstroke are long axis (you rotate around your spine). Also you have different techniques for swimming strokes.
I think the most noticeable difference in techniques is with breastroke - and to how high an athelete comes out of the water, and how deep they recover under the water. I feel that full body suits are detrimental (read as: personal prefenrence, constrict body movement, feels wrong, hurts - the suits are really tight and way less stretchy than a regular lycra speedo) to swimming breastroke if your body or technique causes a high upstroke or deep glide - this is why most breastrokers wear just the legs, or the jammers. Optimally, during breastroke, the hips should be high in the water, and should have little to no movement vertically during the swim. Its really the core that is pressing upwards, and than the chest pressing downwards as you glide. The two techniques relate to either generating a longer, more powerful glide - or actually powering through the water. You can see the difference by watching the 50M breastroke and the 200M breastroke. In the 50M its all about a high turnover and just powering hard with short strokes. For the 200M its about conserving energy and gliding as efficiently as possible.
Ultimately its the glide that generates your speed in longer events, and long axis strokes are usually faster in this regard because you're pretty much always gliding. You can argue that the fly is also fast in this regards because of the long length of the glide. So why body suits? Because you want the least resistance as you glide.
Adding on to the super suit - I forgot to mention it is also bouyant and raises your hips higher in the water. Thats a pretty huge difference (the higher you are in the water, the less resistance you have).
Adding on to changing suits - Watch the Athens olympics - there was one particular series of races where Ian Thorpe was actually changing into dry body suits on deck because he'd be running in between events or straight from the warmup pool.
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On August 13 2008 18:35 useLess wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2008 18:21 KlaCkoN wrote:
He's obviosly on some drug, though it's probably mostly unknown (since obviously noone else is taking it and he doesn't get caught in tests.)
Oh and I might be cynical but seriosuly every single time an athlete has been THIS insanly surprerior nowadays it has always turned out to be due to drugs. (maurice green, marion jones, mulegg, blah, blah,) Maybe phelps is different, but I have no real reason to belive it. excuse my french, but youre fucking retarded. contributing factors: 1. the water cube - its deeper, wider, allows better times for swimmers 2. the suit - its like theyre not even in water! (read: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/936813/does_space_age_lzr_swimsuit_make_water.html?cat=15 ) 3. physique - taller = longer reach. tall people are generally better swimmers because of this and how they move through water 4. training - ya, real athletes actually train in their specialty. phelps has been doing this since he was 11 and id like to say the suit is a big factor too. in one of the finals, there were ~5 people who broke the previous world record for it.
Michael Phelps isnt the only one with these advantages
Its not ridiculous to think that doping might help in a sport where strength and endurance is required
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If anything, I can see him blood doping or oxygen doping for endurance/fatigue. That many races is just outright exhausting even for the most rediculous athelete. It just plain hurts after the second or third day of competition - and cramping/tightening is a huge problem. (Watch the french anchor of the 4x100M relay tighten as the US snipes the gold medal - You can actually see the difference between their arms on recovery - Lezak is loose and streching farther and Bernard is totally tight and reaching really short)
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On August 14 2008 01:36 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2008 18:35 useLess wrote:On August 13 2008 18:21 KlaCkoN wrote:
He's obviosly on some drug, though it's probably mostly unknown (since obviously noone else is taking it and he doesn't get caught in tests.)
Oh and I might be cynical but seriosuly every single time an athlete has been THIS insanly surprerior nowadays it has always turned out to be due to drugs. (maurice green, marion jones, mulegg, blah, blah,) Maybe phelps is different, but I have no real reason to belive it. excuse my french, but youre fucking retarded. contributing factors: 1. the water cube - its deeper, wider, allows better times for swimmers 2. the suit - its like theyre not even in water! (read: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/936813/does_space_age_lzr_swimsuit_make_water.html?cat=15 ) 3. physique - taller = longer reach. tall people are generally better swimmers because of this and how they move through water 4. training - ya, real athletes actually train in their specialty. phelps has been doing this since he was 11 and id like to say the suit is a big factor too. in one of the finals, there were ~5 people who broke the previous world record for it. Michael Phelps isnt the only one with these advantages Its not ridiculous to think that doping might help in a sport where strength and endurance is required
Everyone else IS making huge strides too. I mean, the top 5 places in the 400 free relay broke the world record. They broke the world record and weren't even close to the podium.
And I seem to remember that Phelps recently agreed to go through a month long dope testing thing where he has constant blood and urine tests, so I really doubt that he is.
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wait the cube helps people swim faster? wtf is that o_O lol plz explain
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On August 14 2008 02:06 alffla wrote:
wait the cube helps people swim faster? wtf is that o_O lol plz explain
has to do with how the currents in the pool act. the deeper the pool, the less effect one swimmer has on another swimmer. also, the lanes are wider and the lane lines are thicker - so swimmers have less of an effect on the lane over.
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this thread is misleading, i thought it said Michael Phelps is NOT overall champion -.-
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Phelps makes swimming awesome.
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On August 14 2008 03:22 MarklarMarklar wrote:
I heard phelps is gay!
I hope you get aids then get hit by a car.
Edit: and if you meant "gay" as in happy, that's still stupid.
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I wonder if he got his skills genetically
i wonder if his mom swims or maybe his dad
and she doesnt sound like she has good lungs so maybe its his dad
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On August 14 2008 04:05 OhThatDang wrote:
I wonder if he got his skills genetically
i wonder if his mom swims or maybe his dad
and she doesnt sound like she has good lungs so maybe its his dad
I was wondering the same thing. His genetics must come from his father because his mother doesn't look athletically inclined.
I was reading the New York Times, and came across an article discussing the disparities in media coverage for Michael Phelps. The article makes good points, in that china doesn't cover Phelps events due to ultra nationalist rampaging the china's coverage on Phelps. Another thing that NYT mentions is if Phelps were Chinese, China will bloat about their greatest record breaking athlete. Here's the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/14/sports/olympics/14phelps.html?pagewanted=1&ref=olympics
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90% of elite athletes use/have used PED's. Simple as that...And it doesn't take anything from phelps, hes simply amazing...
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Thanks for your blanket statement and trust in humanity
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On August 14 2008 04:38 Sins wrote:I was reading the New York Times, and came across an article discussing the disparities in media coverage for Michael Phelps. The article makes good points, in that china doesn't cover Phelps events due to ultra nationalist rampaging the china's coverage on Phelps. Another thing that NYT mentions is if Phelps were Chinese, China will bloat about their greatest record breaking athlete. Here's the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/14/sports/olympics/14phelps.html?pagewanted=1&ref=olympics
Certainly that makes sense, but at the same time, the predominately Chinese crowd certainly knows who he is and cheers heavily for him. I think due to the lack of Chinese swimmers, most Chinese have kind of taken on the US as their second home team, similar to how the USA basketball team says that they feel as though they have a second home court in China.
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=p thats true too sins! but then again abc doesnt cover much of a lot of sports that go on other than on their website which sucks for me cause i have slow internet >__<
the whole nationalism thing can go for a lot of people too if u think about it
sad that phelps doesnt get the recognition he deserves
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