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On August 24 2008 04:54 BlackStar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2008 01:33 Hot_Bid wrote:
not fair to blackstar's fantasy world of arbitrary justifications Can you count? If so it should be obvious unless you live in a fantasy world. Medals aren't equal. There's only 1 medal in many sports while there are more than a dozen in others.
do you really think brian clay cares if michael phelps as 8 medals, even though clay had to do 10 different events to earn his? i doubt it
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Who the hell is Brian Clay and why would it be relevant?
Medals aren't equal right now. It's only fair when they are, obviously. It's fair when it's fair. Do you really think that's not what Phelps thinks?
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On August 24 2008 05:21 SonuvBob wrote:Exactly. And they never will be, so there's no point in removing divisions that are far from arbitrary just to make things "fair".
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Read SonuvBob's post, it doesn't matter if they are equal or not.
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On August 24 2008 05:49 BlackStar wrote:
Who the hell is Brian Clay and why would it be relevant?
Medals aren't equal right now. It's only fair when they are, obviously. It's fair when it's fair. Do you really think that's not what Phelps thinks?
Whatever you may think, it's not easy to just 'make them fair'. The choice of disciplines as it is now was not made arbitrarily.
If you think that everybody else in the world is stupid, maybe you should have a look at yourself.
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On August 24 2008 05:49 BlackStar wrote:
Who the hell is Brian Clay and why would it be relevant?
Medals aren't equal right now. It's only fair when they are, obviously. It's fair when it's fair. Do you really think that's not what Phelps thinks?
fair to who?
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Braavos36400 Posts
again, the distinctions blackstar makes are as arbitrary and unfair as the ones he's criticizing
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On August 24 2008 01:25 BlackStar wrote:
Because it's not fair.
If there is 6 weight classes you only have to beat 1/6th of the field.
Running is the most basic human activity. A few different disciplines are justified. But I still don't get why they have 100, 200, 400, 4x100, etc even with running.
if they seperate male and female you only have to beat half the field?
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Canada5062 Posts
Some lobotomized idiot here with less than a 1000 posts to his credit and an obvious predilection for the thesaurus disagrees with my opinion that the 50m free swim is a hopelessly inane event that undermines the credibility of the sport as an Olympic category. The basic argument of this fool appears to be that 50m is simply a metric, like 100m or 400m, and has the same legitimacy as any of the already accepted distances.
Raise your hand if anyone here wants to see the 50m dash or the 60m hurdles at the Olympics, hmm?
I mean, how diluted must a sport become before the adults who make the rules quit paying attention to the juvenile opinions of losers who throw out opinions for the sake of killing time?
Geezus.
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A 50m swim actually is pretty different since there's no turn involved (which is where Phelps is strongest afaik). I have no idea who you're responding to though.
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china won
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On August 25 2008 02:34 SonuvBob wrote:
A 50m swim actually is pretty different since there's no turn involved (which is where Phelps is strongest afaik). I have no idea who you're responding to though.
Whoever it was, he got owned.
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speaking of reference books, you're taking my post like an angry 10 year old with access to a dictionary. calm your face. its good for your health.
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Canada5062 Posts
Oh, great rejoinder fig. Way to show your reasoning prowess.
How does your petulant response in any way address my point? Or are we meant to be overwhelmed by your sophomoric attempt at online irony and overlook the fact that your message is as vacuous as the space that Usain Bolt occupied a second ago?
Oh, I see - you have no point, so you're giving up. About fucking time.
And please don't assume to lecture me here about being "calm" - you're the guy with the lepton-sized brain who started this lampoon of an argument in the first place. Deal with it and move on.
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Canada5062 Posts
On August 25 2008 02:34 SonuvBob wrote:
A 50m swim actually is pretty different since there's no turn involved (which is where Phelps is strongest afaik). I have no idea who you're responding to though.
Fair point, but it does not change my opinion. At some point, you have to ask whether a particular event is truly worthy of the attention of nations and world class athletes. Swimmers in the 50 free take perhaps 2 or 3 breaths during the swim. It is a spectacle for people looking to gawk at something freakish. It is not worthy of the Olympics.
EDIT: If the absence of "turns" somehow validates the 50m free, then we need to have a 25m free as well. Sure would be easy to retro-fit the pools too - just float a plastic redline at the half-way point and blanket the finish line with Omega sensors. Pretty ridiculous, I know. But, so is the 50m free in the Olympics.
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On August 25 2008 02:14 mensrea wrote:
Some lobotomized idiot here with less than a 1000 posts to his credit and an obvious predilection for the thesaurus disagrees with my opinion that the 50m free swim is a hopelessly inane event that undermines the credibility of the sport as an Olympic category. The basic argument of this fool appears to be that 50m is simply a metric, like 100m or 400m, and has the same legitimacy as any of the already accepted distances.
Raise your hand if anyone here wants to see the 50m dash or the 60m hurdles at the Olympics, hmm?
I mean, how diluted must a sport become before the adults who make the rules quit paying attention to the juvenile opinions of losers who throw out opinions for the sake of killing time?
Geezus.
How is the difference between 50 and 100 free different from the difference between the 100 and 200 in track? Swimming is something like 4-5 times slower in comparisons, so when compared to track you're basically saying that the 200 and 400 shouldn't be separate events. (no, the 50 free is not comparable to a 50m dash)
And BTW, no olympic level sprinter will breathe a single time in the 50 free. Hell, if I breathe twice I already consider it a bad race, and I'm not a sprinter and not nearly olympic-level. If you've never swam the two events then you can't understand how different it is to swim them.
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On August 25 2008 05:43 mensrea wrote:
EDIT: If the absence of "turns" somehow validates the 50m free, then we need to have a 25m free as well. Sure would be easy to retro-fit the pools too - just float a plastic redline at the half-way point and blanket the finish line with Omega sensors. Pretty ridiculous, I know. But, so is the 50m free in the Olympics.
What?
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On August 25 2008 06:09 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2008 05:43 mensrea wrote:
EDIT: If the absence of "turns" somehow validates the 50m free, then we need to have a 25m free as well. Sure would be easy to retro-fit the pools too - just float a plastic redline at the half-way point and blanket the finish line with Omega sensors. Pretty ridiculous, I know. But, so is the 50m free in the Olympics. What?
Not having the turn is no reason to justify a swimming event ~-~
I would agree with mensrea about the 50m being unworthy of the Olympics if there wasn't much more unworthy events, like handball. 
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So what if its a given metric? Each difference in events measure different capacities of the competitors. Aside from the obvious difference than SonofBob graciously laid out to you - that theres turns involved, something that seems to have escaped your powers of observation - there the 50m swim filters differences in energy expenditure, muscular strength and aerobic capacity among competitors.
Your "opinion" seems to be derived from an embarrassing lack of competitive experience and understanding of the purpose of sports and games (how you ever got involved with starcraft is beyond me). The 50 meter spring is an agreed upon rule set, its open to all competitors, and the best person qualified wins (usually). It has nothing to do with sport dilution or audience; 100 meter sprinters dont look at a marathon and consider it a superfluous event. If they did, its because they never tried it.
At some point, you have to ask whether a particular event is truly worthy of the attention of nations and world class athletes. Swimmers in the 50 free take perhaps 2 or 3 breaths during the swim. It is a spectacle for people looking to gawk at something freakish. It is not worthy of the Olympics.
How is the 50 free any less important than the 100 meter dash? Youre attempting to objectify your contempt for a particular event and considering the swimming events were the most watched part of the 2008 Olympics here, it seems pretty misguided. If youre going to fume at something, why not synchronized swimming or pole vaulting?
As an aside, I really don't know why you're being so vile in your posts. For the record, I've read and respected your opinions since broodwar.net. No hard feelings.
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Guys blackstar is just upset that phelps got more golds than his entire country.
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