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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=16913
this was a thread from 4 years ago when mensrea did not believe in michael phelps. He won 6 golds and 2 bronzes that time, an amazing achievement. This year, he hopes to win 8 gold medals and has won 5 gold medals already, making new world records along the way. makes me proud to be an american

http://www.boston.com/sports/articles/2008/08/13/most_impressive/
+ Show Spoiler + BEIJING - The US lead in the men's 4 x 200-meter freestyle relay today was almost comical. And that was when Michael Phelps finished his leadoff leg in 1 minute 43.31 seconds. Not only was Phelps more than two seconds ahead of his nearest competitor, but he also put the Americans well ahead of world-record pace.
Phelps earned his fifth gold medal and his fifth world record of the Beijing Games when the US won the race in 6:58.56, smashing the previous record by 4.68 seconds. The gold represented the 13th Olympic medal of Phelps's career, surpassing swimmer Jenny Thompson for the most won by an American athlete. Between Phelps and the team's record-setting effort, runner-up Russia was an afterthought, touching the wall more than five seconds back for the silver medal.
"It's everything I ever dreamed about," said Phelps, whose victory earlier in the day in the 200-meter butterfly earned him his 10th gold medal, the most ever by an Olympian. "On the podium, I kept tearing up [thinking] back at it. I'm almost at a loss for words . . . I'm just really pumped about the relay. We talked about breaking seven minutes, and we did it."
When asked about his ongoing attempt to win eight gold medals, Phelps made it clear he still has "some left in the tank" and added, "From now on, it's just a downward slope. The end is close. I love it."
Phelps, Ryan Lochte, Ricky Berens, and Peter Vanderkaay celebrated their win with swimming's version of a victory lap, walking around the pool with their gold medals around their necks and American flags in hand. Although he watched from the stands and was not one of the four swimmers in the final, the relay triumph was also good news for North Easton's Erik Vendt. He has two silvers from past Olympics, but Vendt earned his first gold medal by virtue of swimming the third leg of the relay in the preliminaries.
For Phelps, the relay gold capped another day of dominance at the National Aquatics center. After finishing the 200-meter fly in a world-record 1:52:03, he casually tossed his goggles and cap to the pool deck. Following the medal ceremony, he tossed the bouquet of flowers to his mother in the stands. There should be a few more of those bouquets to come.
In his quest to win eight gold medals at the Games, Phelps passed the halfway point with the relay win. But his victory in the butterfly was another record-setter as he surpassed Finnish track runner Paavo Nurmi, American sprinter Carl Lewis, American swimmer Mark Spitz, and Ukranian gymnast Larissa Latynina with gold medal No. 10. And Phelps won the race despite difficulty seeing. A lesser swimmer might have been completely thrown off by goggle problems, but apparently nothing can stop Phelps.
"I couldn't see for the last 100," said Phelps. "My goggles pretty much filled up with water. It just kept getting worse and worse through the race and I was having trouble seeing the walls, to be honest. But it's fine. I wanted to go 1:51 or better, but for the circumstances I guess it's not too bad."
While Phelps keeps collecting gold, Katie Hoff is still without a gold medal. In fact, she left the National Aquatics Center yesterday with no medals. It is far from the Olympics she imagined.
Hoff entered the Olympics with the fastest time in the women's 200-meter freestyle and a slight favorite in the event. But she finished a disappointing fourth in 1 minute 55.78 seconds. Her time set an American record, though that was little consolation for a swimmer who arrived at the Games ready to compete in six events (one relay) and hoping to win multiple golds. Italian Federica Pellegrini (1:54.82) appeared somewhat shocked with her world record-setting victory, pounding the water with her fist as the results appeared. Slovenia's Sara Isakovic finished second and China's Pang Jiaying took bronze.
"I would have liked to medal, but I got my first personal best of the meet and I think that's a good effort," said Hoff. "I can't be upset with that and I'm just moving onto the next heat."
Hoff's next event was the women's 200 individual medley. She was expected to challenge Stephanie Rice of Australia, who won the race. Instead, it was US teammate Natalie Coughlin who got to the medal stand with a time of 2:10.34, capturing bronze in an event she shied away from for years after finishing fourth in the event at the 2000 Olympic trials and failing to make the US team.
"It's a big surprise for me and it's my third medal [at Beijing]," said Coughlin. "Now, I've got one of each color, so I'm happy. It's a new event to me. I'm still trying to figure out my strategies, but I'm so pleased and really happy with the bronze. Back in April, I didn't have any event that day, so I just picked it up for something to do."
Meanwhile, Hoff may have too much to do at the Beijing Olympics to bring home the medals she desires. The 200 IM final was less than an hour after she swam the 200-meter freestyle final.
"She's a stud," said Coughlin., "She swam many, many events and many unusual doubles. But with the 200 free and 200 IM, she'd be tired. I'd be tired too, if I had more events."
Hoff, who has won a bronze and a silver here, has one more shot - in the 800 free - to win individual gold.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
No, he's awesome. Now, to Sports & Games we go!
Edit - I get props for being from Baltimore, right? I'm sure we'll have parades and shit for him again when he gets back (just like 4 years ago after Athens)
Winningest player ever!
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He's awesome, I'm really praying he does not become another doping scandal, it will destroy the games T_T. The gaps he gets over his rivals are just unbelievable, is like and adult defeating kids. I really hope he makes it, at least 7 golds to repeat Spitz record.
PS: Mensrea is always right.
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well the other threads were in general sorry about that
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Sweden4385 Posts
I just can't believe my eyes when seeing Phelps swim. He's breaking world records more often then I change underwear :O The guy is fucking amazing.
As said before, I sure don't hope they find out that he takes performance enhancing drugs or something like that.
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He's obviosly on some drug, though it's probably mostly unknown (since obviously noone else is taking it and he doesn't get caught in tests.) Oh and I might be cynical but seriosuly every single time an athlete has been THIS insanly surprerior nowadays it has always turned out to be due to drugs. (maurice green, marion jones, mulegg, blah, blah,) Maybe phelps is different, but I have no real reason to belive it.
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There's also no reason to not believe it. I really believe that he's just naturally talented, it'd be a shame if he was using some sort of drug.
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On August 13 2008 18:21 KlaCkoN wrote: He's obviosly on some drug, though it's probably mostly unknown (since obviously noone else is taking it and he doesn't get caught in tests.) Oh and I might be cynical but seriosuly every single time an athlete has been THIS insanly surprerior nowadays it has always turned out to be due to drugs. (maurice green, marion jones, mulegg, blah, blah,) Maybe phelps is different, but I have no real reason to belive it.
excuse my french, but youre fucking retarded.
contributing factors:
1. the water cube - its deeper, wider, allows better times for swimmers
2. the suit - its like theyre not even in water! (read: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/936813/does_space_age_lzr_swimsuit_make_water.html?cat=15 )
3. physique - taller = longer reach. tall people are generally better swimmers because of this and how they move through water
4. training - ya, real athletes actually train in their specialty. phelps has been doing this since he was 11
and id like to say the suit is a big factor too. in one of the finals, there were ~5 people who broke the previous world record for it.
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On August 13 2008 18:35 useLess wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2008 18:21 KlaCkoN wrote: He's obviosly on some drug, though it's probably mostly unknown (since obviously noone else is taking it and he doesn't get caught in tests.) Oh and I might be cynical but seriosuly every single time an athlete has been THIS insanly surprerior nowadays it has always turned out to be due to drugs. (maurice green, marion jones, mulegg, blah, blah,) Maybe phelps is different, but I have no real reason to belive it. excuse my french, but youre fucking retarded. contributing factors: 1. the water cube - its deeper, wider, allows better times for swimmers 2. the suit - its like theyre not even in water! (read: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/936813/does_space_age_lzr_swimsuit_make_water.html?cat=15 ) 3. physique - taller = longer reach. tall people are generally better swimmers because of this and how they move through water 4. training - ya, real athletes actually train in their specialty. phelps has been doing this since he was 11 and id like to say the suit is a big factor too. in one of the finals, there were ~5 people who broke the previous world record for it.
No as far as I know I am not retarded  And yes the new suit + the water cube would explain why everyone is swimming faster. The only thing I am saying is that Phelps seems to be jsut a little _too_ good compared to everyone else. And historically almost every time someone has seemed just a little bit _too_ good to be true they have been on drugs. And please most swimmers have trained since they were 11.
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oh, so because phelps is winning means hes on drugs, right?
well, i guess michael jordan and kobe bryant must be hopped up on drugs too
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he just owned the olympics :p
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Sure Phelp's performance will seem suspicious to some people, but that's always happened in sports. To me, Lance Armstrong winning the Tour de France 7 times in a row is even more impressive and thus suspicious than Phelps winning (so far) 5 gold medals with 5 new world records.
Do I openly suspect that either of them are or have cheated? No. But if there was a time in the future that proved either or both of them, or any other athlete for that matter, did cheat, I would not be surprised. Innocent until proven guilty, I believe in that.
If you let your mind dwell on the fact that all dominating athletes are doping because of "past history," then that is your opinion. But I think it is stupid to accuse other people of doing something illegal unless there is proof.
edit: clarity
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On August 13 2008 19:16 Titusmaster6 wrote: Sure Phelp's performance will seem suspicious to some people, but that's always happened in sports. To me, Lance Armstrong winning the Tour de France 7 times in a row is even more impressive and thus suspicious than Phelps winning (so far) 5 gold medals with 5 new world records.
Do I openly suspect that either of them are or have cheated? No. But if there was a time in the future that either or both of them, or any other athlete for that matter, did cheat, I would not be surprised. Innocent until proven guilty, I believe in that.
If you let your mind dwell on the fact that all dominating athletes are doping because of "past history," then that is your opinion. But I think it is stupid to accuse other people of doing something illegal unless there is proof.
Fair enough. I just think that there has been too many scandals in sports for the "innocent until proven guilty" thing to hold any weight anymore. Besides not that I know anything at all about cycling but hasn't Armstrong been involved in several doping scandals already, forgive me if I am thinking of someone else?
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No, Armstrong didn't have any doping positive, but I believed he had some sort of different analisys because of the cancer he suffered and the treatment he had.
Marion Jones was like Phelps for his rivals, always 4 meters ahead, raping every race and then gotcha!
Johan Muelegg, the same case, on such a hard sport as cross-country ski is, always 20 meters ahead and gotcha!
Fucking cheaters T_T I really hope Phelps is not using.
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Ha! We need Phelps' gold medal to make up for our other potential gold that could only get silver or bronze.
He's awesome. Hopefully it was all legit.
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Definitely the best performer in the Olympics so far
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Phelps being fast and having physical edge above others is known fact. Nothing new about that.
But what amazes atleast me and seems so unlogical is how the guy performs almost without no rest and doing all these World Records. Human body has it`s limits, limits that eventually can`t be pushed away even with years of training. Sooner or later body would say " I`ve had enough, lets drink some cold beers and watch TV, enough of those World Records".
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On August 13 2008 18:46 KlaCkoN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2008 18:35 useLess wrote:On August 13 2008 18:21 KlaCkoN wrote: He's obviosly on some drug, though it's probably mostly unknown (since obviously noone else is taking it and he doesn't get caught in tests.) Oh and I might be cynical but seriosuly every single time an athlete has been THIS insanly surprerior nowadays it has always turned out to be due to drugs. (maurice green, marion jones, mulegg, blah, blah,) Maybe phelps is different, but I have no real reason to belive it. excuse my french, but youre fucking retarded. contributing factors: 1. the water cube - its deeper, wider, allows better times for swimmers 2. the suit - its like theyre not even in water! (read: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/936813/does_space_age_lzr_swimsuit_make_water.html?cat=15 ) 3. physique - taller = longer reach. tall people are generally better swimmers because of this and how they move through water 4. training - ya, real athletes actually train in their specialty. phelps has been doing this since he was 11 and id like to say the suit is a big factor too. in one of the finals, there were ~5 people who broke the previous world record for it. No as far as I know I am not retarded  And yes the new suit + the water cube would explain why everyone is swimming faster. The only thing I am saying is that Phelps seems to be jsut a little _too_ good compared to everyone else. And historically almost every time someone has seemed just a little bit _too_ good to be true they have been on drugs. And please most swimmers have trained since they were 11.
I agree, Phelps IS a swimming genius. Just like Einstein was a physics genius and Beethoven was a musical genius.
But I watched the 400x4 with my brother yesterday and it was simply ridiculous how he burned everyone else. BTW did you guys notice how he always jumps a couple feet farther than anyone else at the kickoff? So coupling all that together I thought: How bad a scandal would it be if he turned out to be doping? I hope to god he isn't, but I'm just saying.
And for Canada... We are suffering from the "My team sucks!" syndrome.
Kyle Shuffelt: MY TEAM SUCKS Brent Hayden: MY TEAM IS BAWLZ!!!
Canada was in 5th place until the 3rd leg, Brent Hayden, who cranked us all the way up to 2nd place. And then the last guy blew it and we fell back in 5th.
Man....
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