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Gaetele
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Esper760 Posts
August 13 2008 12:51 GMT
#21
CHINEEZ DIEVERSZ ON DRUGZZZZ TOOO!!!
aka Ghostclaws
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
August 13 2008 13:00 GMT
#22
On August 13 2008 20:39 eStoniaNBoY wrote:
Phelps being fast and having physical edge above others is known fact. Nothing new about that.

But what amazes atleast me and seems so unlogical is how the guy performs almost without no rest and doing all these World Records. Human body has it`s limits, limits that eventually can`t be pushed away even with years of training. Sooner or later body would say " I`ve had enough, lets drink some cold beers and watch TV, enough of those World Records".


I think there is enough time to rest between swimming events. It's not like he is running an hour marathon
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
August 13 2008 13:04 GMT
#23
Phelps is definitely an incredible swimmer. I always thought Thorpie would go down as close to the best ever with guys like Spitz and Popov and then Phelps just came along and Michael Jordaned the shit out of swimming.

I doubt I'll ever see someone as good as he is in my lifetime.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Wurzelbrumpft
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany471 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-13 13:12:35
August 13 2008 13:11 GMT
#24
Well in most doping scandals the guy who was tested positive wasn´t necessarily way in front of everybody else. steroids do make a huge difference in your performance, they let the body go further than nature intended. I think whats way worse is when in some competition everyone finishes in the same tenth of a second and one of them gets tested positive. it just proves that the other guys dope too. even if phelps is taking stuff, srsly guyz u think he´s the only one? if he still beats other dudes, who also are on roids, by a mile, its still an accomplishment. and taking stuff without getting caught is sooo easy. u can be on stuff all year, then stop, take some medication so your hormone levels look normal again and still get the benefits at the competition. people are constantly whining about that hole, that nobody has to take constant tests. additionally there is stuff you can do, that can not be proven, even while doing it in the competition. blood doping for example.
its their job guys, its obvious there are ways to do it without being caught and knowing that its about money who wouldn´t do it.
beam me up scotty, this planet suxX
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
August 13 2008 13:18 GMT
#25
On August 13 2008 22:00 [X]Ken_D wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2008 20:39 eStoniaNBoY wrote:
Phelps being fast and having physical edge above others is known fact. Nothing new about that.

But what amazes atleast me and seems so unlogical is how the guy performs almost without no rest and doing all these World Records. Human body has it`s limits, limits that eventually can`t be pushed away even with years of training. Sooner or later body would say " I`ve had enough, lets drink some cold beers and watch TV, enough of those World Records".


I think there is enough time to rest between swimming events. It's not like he is running an hour marathon


if you've never swam competitively, you have no idea how much each race takes out of you.
look at the video of bernard after the 4x100 free relay, he dude was COMPLETELY gassed and was breathing SO hard, prolly took him hours to recover
theonemephisto
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States409 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-13 14:04:16
August 13 2008 13:44 GMT
#26
On August 13 2008 22:00 [X]Ken_D wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2008 20:39 eStoniaNBoY wrote:
Phelps being fast and having physical edge above others is known fact. Nothing new about that.

But what amazes atleast me and seems so unlogical is how the guy performs almost without no rest and doing all these World Records. Human body has it`s limits, limits that eventually can`t be pushed away even with years of training. Sooner or later body would say " I`ve had enough, lets drink some cold beers and watch TV, enough of those World Records".


I think there is enough time to rest between swimming events. It's not like he is running an hour marathon

This is obviously from someone who doesn't swim seriously.

Trust me, I'm not on a ridiculous level but I've swam some pretty tough meets (20 swims over 4 days). And trust me, it hurts like nothing else. Just imagining trying to swim something like the 400 IM or 200 Fly 3 times in a meet (most meets don't have semis) is absolutely ridiculous, and he's doing much more than just that.

EDIT: By the way, for the 200 fly, "Of the butterfly, he said, 'I couldn't see anything for the last 100. My goggles pretty much filled up with water. It just kept getting worse and worse through the race and I was having trouble seeing the walls, to be honest.'" He broke a world record without being able to see, that's ridiculous.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
August 13 2008 14:19 GMT
#27
lol i just read through a bit of that thread posted in the OP

a bunch of people were made to look very foolish. Michael Phelps washed up by 2008 olympics? He may still be competing at a high level in 2016! As long as he doesn't get bored..

I must say though, reading that thread where someone got nuked makes it 100x harder even with the few posts that I have quoted in there

NewFace15
Profile Joined May 2008
Russian Federation41 Posts
August 13 2008 14:26 GMT
#28
Just IMBA
OmegaFang
Profile Joined May 2008
United States156 Posts
August 13 2008 14:37 GMT
#29
Phelps is so freaking good! I do not think he is doping at all, I mean its not like he is the only one breaking world records here. Almost every single swimming event I watch this year ends in a world record being broken. Michael Jordan never doped and he dominated basketball like no other. Tom Brady doesn't dope, the best quarterback in the NFL by far (I'd say about as far ahead of other quarterbacks as Phelps is ahead of other swimmers). So just because he is so good does not mean he has to be doping. Whats really scary is that he wont reach his physical peak until the age of 28, so in the 2012 Olympics (27 years old) he will be even better assuming he continues practicing and suffers no major injuries or setbacks.
new_construct
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1041 Posts
August 13 2008 14:37 GMT
#30
lol i see alot of swimmers have premature balding, i wonder if it has anything to do with doping
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4904 Posts
August 13 2008 14:41 GMT
#31
Heh, at least Laszlo Cseh is the one getting silvers behind him not some other american who has it the easy way (read: actual funding to get the leetest stuff possible whatever a sportsman may need).
Complete the cycle!
OrderlyChaos
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1115 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-13 14:50:26
August 13 2008 14:46 GMT
#32
On August 13 2008 22:18 KOFgokuon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2008 22:00 [X]Ken_D wrote:
On August 13 2008 20:39 eStoniaNBoY wrote:
Phelps being fast and having physical edge above others is known fact. Nothing new about that.

But what amazes atleast me and seems so unlogical is how the guy performs almost without no rest and doing all these World Records. Human body has it`s limits, limits that eventually can`t be pushed away even with years of training. Sooner or later body would say " I`ve had enough, lets drink some cold beers and watch TV, enough of those World Records".


I think there is enough time to rest between swimming events. It's not like he is running an hour marathon


if you've never swam competitively, you have no idea how much each race takes out of you.
look at the video of bernard after the 4x100 free relay, he dude was COMPLETELY gassed and was breathing SO hard, prolly took him hours to recover


The fact that races have this effect on swimmers makes it even more amazing that he could win the 200 butterfly and then, about an hour later, destroy the competition on the first leg of the 4x200. He's an amazing athlete.

Edit: grammar >.>
theonemephisto
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States409 Posts
August 13 2008 14:46 GMT
#33
On August 13 2008 23:37 OmegaFang wrote:
Phelps is so freaking good! I do not think he is doping at all, I mean its not like he is the only one breaking world records here. Almost every single swimming event I watch this year ends in a world record being broken. Michael Jordan never doped and he dominated basketball like no other. Tom Brady doesn't dope, the best quarterback in the NFL by far (I'd say about as far ahead of other quarterbacks as Phelps is ahead of other swimmers). So just because he is so good does not mean he has to be doping. Whats really scary is that he wont reach his physical peak until the age of 28, so in the 2012 Olympics (27 years old) he will be even better assuming he continues practicing and suffers no major injuries or setbacks.

I agree that Phelps is amazing, but physical peak at 28? Yea right.

Most swimmers peak around 20, and I think that Phelps is just about at his peak. He can keep swimming at that level if he trains really hard, but physically, it's just going to get harder. Of course, he's also improving because of massive improvements in his stroke and walls (especially walls), which is where I think most of the improvement from last Olympics to now has come.
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
August 13 2008 14:50 GMT
#34
If Phelps were his own country, he'd be ranked 5th in total gold right now
OmegaFang
Profile Joined May 2008
United States156 Posts
August 13 2008 14:52 GMT
#35
On August 13 2008 23:46 theonemephisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2008 23:37 OmegaFang wrote:
Phelps is so freaking good! I do not think he is doping at all, I mean its not like he is the only one breaking world records here. Almost every single swimming event I watch this year ends in a world record being broken. Michael Jordan never doped and he dominated basketball like no other. Tom Brady doesn't dope, the best quarterback in the NFL by far (I'd say about as far ahead of other quarterbacks as Phelps is ahead of other swimmers). So just because he is so good does not mean he has to be doping. Whats really scary is that he wont reach his physical peak until the age of 28, so in the 2012 Olympics (27 years old) he will be even better assuming he continues practicing and suffers no major injuries or setbacks.

I agree that Phelps is amazing, but physical peak at 28? Yea right.

Most swimmers peak around 20, and I think that Phelps is just about at his peak. He can keep swimming at that level if he trains really hard, but physically, it's just going to get harder. Of course, he's also improving because of massive improvements in his stroke and walls (especially walls), which is where I think most of the improvement from last Olympics to now has come.


Hm, I suppose the average human peaks around 28 then? I thought I read that somewhere. Swimmers are gassed out by then I suppose, it would make sense. And yes he has improved on the walls so much, it's just so amazing to watch now.
yenta
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Poland1142 Posts
August 13 2008 14:59 GMT
#36
On August 13 2008 23:37 new_construct wrote:
lol i see alot of swimmers have premature balding, i wonder if it has anything to do with doping


Its the chlorine. It eats hair. Usually only girls wear caps when they swim, the guys don't. My hair is still horrible 2 years after I stopped swimming. During the end of a season it would fall out in clumps :/ Pretty disgusting.
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yenta
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Poland1142 Posts
August 13 2008 15:06 GMT
#37
Besides that suit they have is rediculous. I remember the drop in time I had from just getting a second gen fast skin - this thing is even crazier. Not only does it wick water away from your body (youre dry underneath the suit when you come out of the water btw) It also compresses the muscle in your arms/legs to improve performance. You can see the difference in suits between swimmers - The countries that dont have contracts with Speedo - and are stuck with Arena, Adidas, or Diana (worst suits) are really hurting.

I know Japan's breastroker specifically broke contract to get his speedo suit and it sure as hell paid off for him.

Also - the pool. Lane technology has come such a far way. They were showing the warmup pool a few days ago, and you can see how well wider lanes, deeper lanes, and better lanelines squelch waves between lanes - an active lane had no effect on the glass like surface the lane over.
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Ki_Do
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)981 Posts
August 13 2008 15:11 GMT
#38
phelps in swimming is so imba as 5 pool zergling rush or LT Terran
progamers should have a doping test too
I've got a point, and i'm ready to kill or die for it.
Krowser
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada788 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-13 15:22:29
August 13 2008 15:21 GMT
#39
On August 13 2008 23:59 yenta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2008 23:37 new_construct wrote:
lol i see alot of swimmers have premature balding, i wonder if it has anything to do with doping


Its the chlorine. It eats hair. Usually only girls wear caps when they swim, the guys don't. My hair is still horrible 2 years after I stopped swimming. During the end of a season it would fall out in clumps :/ Pretty disgusting.



Hey I was wondering about that. It seems that recently everyone is switching from Chlorine to Salt. What are they using in the olympic pools?

Edit: Nerf Phelps!
D3 and Pho, the way to go. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340709
luiohh
Profile Joined February 2008
Bangladesh78 Posts
August 13 2008 15:31 GMT
#40
Michael "imba" Phelps has won more 13 times as many medals as my entire country throughout the history of the olympics.
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