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United States22883 Posts
On August 15 2008 02:56 eStoniaNBoY wrote:
). By that the guy has been competing at like 80% of his capability because the body has been worn down during the last race and still winning with world records?
I've been wondering about that. Aside from the big controversy topic (steroids), are swimming events in competition usually done in the same order? For instance if the order of events was the exact same in the 2004 Olympics, then all the major swimmers would be getting progressively worse as the week wears on, thus it wouldn't be unexpected to continue breaking records.
I saw the prelims earlier and he finished #2, so maybe he's taking it easy in the qualifiers?
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Honestly that guy is a freaking monster
He has like secret jet packs or some shit, I SWEAR
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On August 15 2008 03:03 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2008 02:56 eStoniaNBoY wrote:
). By that the guy has been competing at like 80% of his capability because the body has been worn down during the last race and still winning with world records?
I've been wondering about that. Aside from the big controversy topic (steroids), are swimming events in competition usually done in the same order? For instance if the order of events was the exact same in the 2004 Olympics, then all the major swimmers would be getting progressively worse as the week wears on, thus it wouldn't be unexpected to continue breaking records. I saw the prelims earlier and he finished #2, so maybe he's taking it easy in the qualifiers?
don't know about the order of events, but so far this olympics phelps has only been seeded 1st into the finals once, and that was his first race (i'm not sure how they determine lane order, though). in every other individual race he's only done well enough in the prelim heats to land himself into the finals (for example, he finished third in one of the semifinals in the 200m free behind park taehwan and another american), probably because he doesn't really need to swim his best to get a spot in the finals.
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Lane order is determined by placement in the semifinals...it's a little unclear though beyond that to be honest. There are 2 possibilities:
Top qualifer from each semifinal is either in lane 4 or 5 (depending on who is faster), second fastest in each qualifier, qualifer is in lane 3 or 6, third fastest is 2 or 7, and then then last 2 spots go to whoever had the best times of the rest of the swimmers.
The other is that they just take the 8 fastest times out of the semi finals, and they go to to the following lanes in this order: 4, 5, 3, 6, 2, 7, 1, 8.
The thing is that I know that you if you top 3 in the semifinal you're guarenteed a spot in the finals so maybe it's just a combination of those two methods
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For quals - The first 3 heats of 8 are circle seeded, 4, 5, 3, 6, 2, 7, 1, 8 - than the last heats are just seeded by qualification time.
Semi finals are circle seeded.
Circle seeding - Take top qualification times - #1 goes to last heat, lane 4, #2 goes to second to last heat, lane 4, #3 goes to third to last heat, lane 4, #4 goes to last heat lane 5 and so on and so on.
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United States17042 Posts
Circle seeding is both the best and the worst. the best because that way the fastest swimmers don't already feel like they're in the finals. The worst because everyone slow feels like if they can stay with the fastest person then they'll be able to at least make it to finals (and be dead tired once they do make it)
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On August 15 2008 02:56 eStoniaNBoY wrote:
"Besides training harder than anyone else".
They are professionals. They all train all day long. It is how efficient their training is what really matters. Phelps has some physical advantages, but he isn`t a dolphin.
Recovering from all those qualification rounds and being able to break these world records in the finals is totally bizarree. You can`t mess with your body. Its impossible to go on without sleeping and it is physically impossible basically not resting at all ( you can sleep, rest, do procedures etc. but there is a time that body needs to recover fully you can`t heal it with medicine or whatever ). By that the guy has been competing at like 80% of his capability because the body has been worn down during the last race and still winning with world records?
What annoys me the most is that the guy is considered as a medal project.
On August 14 2008 10:02 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2008 08:29 [X]Ken_D wrote:
I was wondering how long does it take to fully recover after a race? these guys have warm downs where they swim to get all the lactic acid and other free radicals out of their system and their blood stream... combined with the fact that most muscle tears usually take about 48 hours to fully repair (depending on how torn the fibers are) an athelete could be back to ~100% in about 2 days.... doing what phelps is doing day in day out.. AND multiple times a day is insane... it really really really is insane... meanwhile, Ian Thorpe quit just in time to let Phelps shine.. he wouldn't be winning many freestyle medals if Ian was still around... shame for Australia.. congrats to Phelps... 5 medals is already monumental... I hope it doesn't go to his head
You guys don't know much about training at elite levels, eh? Ever heard of the term "peaking" that they throw around a lot?
Basically, Phelps is swimming crazy program no doubt. But the past year has been all programmed right (all his swimming volume and training sessions) have been geared towards peaking for this one event (as were his world championships). If you look at his medals, you'll see that he does maybe one competition a year.
Here's an analogy with weightlifting that is applicable to training periodization. For example, in a basic (1970s-1980s) Soviet style periodization scheme that is designed to increase the amount of weight lifting for elite weightlifters, the athletes themselves undergo generally ~6 week mesocycles which are comprised of about 6 microcycles. The first week or two is geared towards higher volume to get conditioning level up, the week or so is geared towards hypertrophy, the next couple weeks are involve with strength and power development. At the end, there is a rest week taper/peak when SUPERCOMPENSATION occurs (which occurs as the body eliminates built up fatigue from training). These mesocycles can be built up into 6+ sections to form macrocycles which lead up to competitions where the athletes will taper/peak significantly so that they perform exceedingly well (usually bust up personal/world/etc. records).
In any case, the program which Phelps is swimming is extremely rigorous. I'm suprised he still has the capacity but as the few documentaries show he IS eating enough (like 8-10k calories) which sustains his body's need for energy. Plus, he is still peaking from a probably *much more rigorous training* than what he is doing now.
I saw something earlier about muscle tears and 48 hours. Yeah, that's kinda of a load of crap. While muscle tears do take a bit to heal, Phelps is not swimming a program where significant muscle tearing will occur. Eccentric movements tend to create microtears in the muscles; Phelps does very little explosive eccentric movements (unlike track and field athletes). In fact, if you look at Olympic Weightlifting Bulgarian style training method you'll see that they often train 2-3 times or MORE per day 6 days per week for strength/power. So in all likelyhood he's not actually tearing many if at all muscle fibers; THUS, the only thing he has to recover is metabolically from oxygen deficit (aka lactic acid buildup -- which is not the cause of muscular acidosis by the way).
And recovering metabolically is where his cooldown and warmup times come in as well as getting enough calories to fuel the body. This is in place. And therefore he is swimming extremely well all the time.
Combine that with the Speedo LZR suit, the CUBE pool (wider & deeper = less waves = less the athletes have to fight against choppiness) and Phelp's peaking for this Olympics... expect TONS of world records. In fact, if you look at his program for last years world champs you'll see he did the same exact thing (7 gold -- his relay team for 400 medley relay got DQed and he got like 5 WR). But even then, that was just buildup to this year (as he probably wasn't at as big of a peak last year). All of these past 4 years of training and competitions since Athens has been designed towards this Olympics. That's why his "peaking" this time around is so much more dominant.
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god those still crack me up
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not overrated just overdrugged.rich countrys like US have the money to research the drugs that cant be shown on the tests.Maybe a few years later we will be shocked when they prove us what really happened here in Beijing.Just exactly with the 6 time champion tour the france biker.
When i was a kid the summer olympic (in my mind) was a clear fairplay event,sad thing it tourned out the way it is nowdays 
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Wow...
I wonder if there will come a time where great athletes have to "not do their best" just so that they won't be accused of being drugged.
This is silly... like that one poster said, whatever happened to "innocent till proven guilty"
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That was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
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On August 15 2008 18:54 pokerface wrote:not overrated just overdrugged.rich countrys like US have the money to research the drugs that cant be shown on the tests.Maybe a few years later we will be shocked when they prove us what really happened here in Beijing.Just exactly with the 6 time champion tour the france biker. When i was a kid the summer olympic (in my mind) was a clear fairplay event,sad thing it tourned out the way it is nowdays
wow 
So, he opted in to a much much much stricter anti doping program that will keep his blood on file and check it with all the tests that are developed even in the future. Why would anyone who is doping do that? He's a clean athlete with a tech edge if anything, but that doesn't stop the fact that he is just a monster swiming. And wtf man? Lance Armstrong has never nor will ever test positive for any drugs. way to slander innocent athletes douchebag.
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On August 15 2008 19:58 myrmidon2537 wrote:
Wow...
I wonder if there will come a time where great athletes have to "not do their best" just so that they won't be accused of being drugged.
This is silly... like that one poster said, whatever happened to "innocent till proven guilty"
tbh i think it's more just that this is an international site, and nationalist pride will always rule
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On August 15 2008 21:46 Shymon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2008 18:54 pokerface wrote:not overrated just overdrugged.rich countrys like US have the money to research the drugs that cant be shown on the tests.Maybe a few years later we will be shocked when they prove us what really happened here in Beijing.Just exactly with the 6 time champion tour the france biker. When i was a kid the summer olympic (in my mind) was a clear fairplay event,sad thing it tourned out the way it is nowdays wow So, he opted in to a much much much stricter anti doping program that will keep his blood on file and check it with all the tests that are developed even in the future. Why would anyone who is doping do that? He's a clean athlete with a tech edge if anything, but that doesn't stop the fact that he is just a monster swiming. And wtf man? Lance Armstrong has never nor will ever test positive for any drugs. way to slander innocent athletes douchebag.
the only thing Armstrong was accused of (and may have been guilty of) was blood doping, and it turned out like literally almost every single cyclist was blood doping anyway
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Sydney2287 Posts
Saw this today:
I have evidence that a character named MichaelPhelps has been farming gold. I also have proof that he is doing this in China. He's been doing it for about a week and clearly intends to keep doing it. Can anything be done to stop him?
It seems some folks have reported seeing him with 3 other characters, farming gold as a team. It is suspected that they're botting, as they all move back and forth along the same path.
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I just heard he eats like 12k calories a day.
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On August 15 2008 22:23 Bockit wrote:
Saw this today:
I have evidence that a character named MichaelPhelps has been farming gold. I also have proof that he is doing this in China. He's been doing it for about a week and clearly intends to keep doing it. Can anything be done to stop him?
It seems some folks have reported seeing him with 3 other characters, farming gold as a team. It is suspected that they're botting, as they all move back and forth along the same path.
LOL Ban his account!
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