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mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
August 15 2004 05:18 GMT
#1
The last time any swimmer even remotely had the chance to break Spitz's record performance of 7 Gold medals in a single Olympics was in '88 when Biondi came in hyped to the hilt - and came very very close to living up to it by winning 5 Golds, 1 S8ilver and 1 Bronze.

Phelps doesn't seem very impressive at all. I say 3 Golds, maybe 4 if lucky.
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Refrain[FriZ]
Profile Joined June 2003
Canada4337 Posts
August 15 2004 05:22 GMT
#2
There was this picture of him in the Toronto Star newspaper coming out of the starting platform block thingy at the 400m, he looks like a freaking monster. He's not human, I say 6+ golds.
mmm.beer
Profile Joined March 2003
Canada412 Posts
August 15 2004 05:27 GMT
#3
American media hypes him up way too much. Why not just let him swim and do his best and see how he does instead. They call him a modern hero..blah blah..i'm getting sick of it. Plus how would you like to try to meet the expectations of getting 8 golds. 1 gold alone is an amazing feat to be congratulated on.
mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
August 15 2004 05:28 GMT
#4
He's definitely got the physical attributes.

We'll see. I think I'm just disgusted by the unnecessarey hype and the ridiculous comparisons. There's just little evidence to support the conclusion that Phelps can dominate a field that includes Popov, Thorpe, and what-his-name from the Netherlands. And the USA relay teams are no longer as dominating as they used to be (costing Phelps even more medals). They've already lost the 4x100m relay (an event they had never been beaten in in the Olympics - until the Aussies did in Sydney) to a world record performing South Africa. In fact, Team USA got blown out of the water and came in a distant 3rd (the Dutch beat them to the Silver).
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ejai63
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2101 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-08-15 05:31:16
August 15 2004 05:29 GMT
#5
Phelps is a lock in the 200 IM, 400 Medley relay, and 200 fly. the US should win the 4x200 relay. 100 fly is a toss up, as is the 200 free. That means phelps should be winning 5 golds, which would be awesome. He still has a great chance for 8 medals, which is unbelievable


edit: nah, the 4x100 was really close btw us and netherlands. us lead with 50 meters left, but van den hoogenband - maybe the fastest swimmer in the world - caught up to him. netherlands won by .15 seconds
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hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
August 15 2004 05:33 GMT
#6
I don't know wtf you are talking about, but I remember when mTV said 50 cent was a new age tupac, and I was pretty pissed..so I know what you're feeling
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IronMentality
Profile Joined July 2004
United States1129 Posts
August 15 2004 05:34 GMT
#7
On August 15 2004 14:33 hasuwar wrote:
I don't know wtf you are talking about, but I remember when mTV said 50 cent was a new age tupac, and I was pretty pissed..so I know what you're feeling


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mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
August 15 2004 05:36 GMT
#8
On August 15 2004 14:29 ejai63 wrote:
edit: nah, the 4x100 was really close btw us and netherlands. us lead with 50 meters left, but van den hoogenband - maybe the fastest swimmer in the world - caught up to him. netherlands won by .15 seconds


Actually, by "blown out of the water" I didn't mean the Dutch - but by the S. Africans, as well as the fact that they didn't even get Silver. That's all I meant.
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cAtAcLySmIc
Profile Joined July 2004
United States552 Posts
August 15 2004 05:43 GMT
#9
On August 15 2004 14:18 mensrea wrote:
The last time any swimmer even remotely had the chance to break Spitz's record performance of 7 Gold medals in a single Olympics was in '88 when Biondi came in hyped to the hilt - and came very very close to living up to it by winning 5 Golds, 1 S8ilver and 1 Bronze.

Phelps doesn't seem very impressive at all. I say 3 Golds, maybe 4 if lucky.


Keep in mind Phelps is only 19, he will probably only get better.
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mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
August 15 2004 05:44 GMT
#10
Nope. Best swimmers in the world peak in the late teens. He'll be slightly over-the-hill come next Olympics. Just ask Thorpe.
actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.
0_0
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2090 Posts
August 15 2004 05:53 GMT
#11
I agree, IMO the American media was blowing things too big, he's good I'll give that to him, but it was obvious from the start that he had very little chance of getting the 8 golds. IMO he is still good, but just not "godly" like the media has made him with all this coverage, 4 or 5 seems like a good number for him right now, more looks doubtful.
Famouzze
Profile Joined June 2004
971 Posts
August 15 2004 06:22 GMT
#12
I thought this thread was going to be about fred phelps everyone's favorite equal rights and acceptance activist.
ejai63
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2101 Posts
August 15 2004 06:45 GMT
#13
On August 15 2004 14:44 mensrea wrote:
Nope. Best swimmers in the world peak in the late teens. He'll be slightly over-the-hill come next Olympics. Just ask Thorpe.


It is true that swimmers can peak at an early age, but swimmers can maintain their peak for a long time. Thorpe is still swimming at the same level he was 5 years ago, maybe better. Other guys like popov, van den hoogenband, and others are still elite swimmers when they're 25+
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
August 15 2004 06:55 GMT
#14
why bitch and moan, the media wants you to be excited, the facts be damned.. its not like the fcc is going to penalize them for hyping up a swimmer
ejai63
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2101 Posts
August 15 2004 07:03 GMT
#15
What was the hype for thorpe in 2000? 5 or 6 gold medals? He's like the michael jordan of austrailia, btw
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
August 15 2004 07:03 GMT
#16
I agree with mensrea that the hype is sometimes rediculous. I enjoy the Olympics much more when feats like 8 gold medals just happen, and they are not part of a marketing blitz.

I also laugh at NBC who cut away from todays basketball game.

Finally I just wanted to say GL to Rick Say (CDN), who finished second to Phelps in his semi-final race. We graduated together from highschool and he is a quality human being.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
August 15 2004 07:44 GMT
#17
On August 15 2004 15:45 ejai63 wrote:
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On August 15 2004 14:44 mensrea wrote:
Nope. Best swimmers in the world peak in the late teens. He'll be slightly over-the-hill come next Olympics. Just ask Thorpe.


It is true that swimmers can peak at an early age, but swimmers can maintain their peak for a long time. Thorpe is still swimming at the same level he was 5 years ago, maybe better. Other guys like popov, van den hoogenband, and others are still elite swimmers when they're 25+


thorpe said himself in interviews that he's definitely not as fast as he was last olympics... the next summer games phelps will not be better than he is now.
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mensrea
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada5062 Posts
August 15 2004 11:08 GMT
#18
Hey, for the record: I've got nothing against Phelps and certainly nothing against him breaking Spitz's record. Watching records get broken is what the Olympics is all about and I'd like nothing more.

Just pointing out that I believe he's as much hype as he is substance - at least so far.

And I can't agree Thorpe is faster today than he was 4 years ago. 4 years ago he was the most dominant swimmer in the world. I do not believe he is today - and not just because someone got better.
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Maynard
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States889 Posts
August 15 2004 11:37 GMT
#19
Anyone remember the Dan and Dave hype of a few years back. I think it was 96. They were so overly hyped, far more than Phelps. They even had lucrative sponsorship deals. Neither of them ended up doing much. I think one of them didnt even qualify for the Olympics.
booooo
Profile Joined March 2004
Singapore372 Posts
August 15 2004 11:43 GMT
#20
thorpe was fully 3 seconds behind his best time when he won gold for the 400m freestyle(?) event.

3 seconds is a long time in the pool, something like 2 or 3 body lengths.
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