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Lalalaland34491 Posts
On September 27 2011 07:01 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 06:53 Firebolt145 wrote:
I'm just getting into the FEMA facility and I...can't say I'm enjoying this game too much. Maybe it's because I prefer being told a story and I've spent so much time completing relatively plot-less side quests but this game feels waaaay too slow and open ended for me. I know the combat is supposed to be less combative and more of tactical stealthy approaches but jesus I just want to go from point A to point B without having to figure out how to stealthily drop this guard so that other guard doesn't see me...
Maybe I should just go read a book. Funny to see both ends of spectrum with Jibbas comments about maybe being too smart to appreciate the game and yours about the game not doing enough work for you and that having to figure out things on your own is annoying. I think the game has found a nice middleground between being too dumbed down or being overly open ended , which is why I liked it so much.
Different people play games for different reasons. 90% of Single Player games that I play, I play just for the storyline, not so much the challenge. So yes, taking forever to do things = less time on the story. 
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On September 27 2011 06:53 Firebolt145 wrote:
I'm just getting into the FEMA facility and I...can't say I'm enjoying this game too much. Maybe it's because I prefer being told a story and I've spent so much time completing relatively plot-less side quests but this game feels waaaay too slow and open ended for me. I know the combat is supposed to be less combative and more of tactical stealthy approaches but jesus I just want to go from point A to point B without having to figure out how to stealthily drop this guard so that other guard doesn't see me...
Maybe I should just go read a book.
For a story this game isn't the best... you could try System Shock 2 or something. And yeah it's a bit boring at times and there's too many sidequests, I agree as well. I'd prefer to have more story progression.
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
I was semi-joking to a mate when I said 'the whole reason I'm playing this game is to see whether Megan is alive at the end, because damn she is cute, and I want to find out what she was going to say in the elevator when that bastard Pritchard walked in.'
Too bad I have to quietly prance my way around a gazillion guards before finding out.
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hahaha Megan.
+ Show Spoiler + Serious contender for the dumbest character title. Can't believe someone likes her.
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im looking forward to playing this game when i build my pc, it will be the first time i've taken the stealthy approach to a game and im looking forward to taking my time with the missions (imo the more time it takes me to figure stuff out and the more complicated things are the more i like it, <3 sc for that reason)
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
So just gave a big f-u to all sidequests and mysteries and plowed through the game. My interpretation of the story:
+ Show Spoiler +So basically, the Illuminati use TYM to control all augs both by monopolising it and by putting killswitches in all augs. Taggart, also Illuminati, tries to approach this differently by instead regulating everything under UN, which is under Illuminati control. Darrow is also part of the Illuminati. They hire these mercs and FEMA etc to kidnap these scientists and use them to develop these killswitches etc. However, at the end Darrow is bitter because he can't use his own technology, so decides 'fuck you all and fuck augs' and tries to get them all banned. Then TYM princess tries this one final thing to try and incorporate herself into the big supercomputer to try and achieve world dominance.
How close am I?
As for the gameplay, WOW this game became a lot better after I stopped paying attention to every single grate and sidequest. It actually became a lot of fun. It became a huge scrounge for ammo towards the end which was a little annoying and the Typhoon really is pretty much the equivalent of Colossi in SC2. But I might even do a second stealth playthrough purely through to find out all the secrets now that I actually know the story. 
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On September 28 2011 04:52 Firebolt145 wrote:So just gave a big f-u to all sidequests and mysteries and plowed through the game. My interpretation of the story: + Show Spoiler +So basically, the Illuminati use TYM to control all augs both by monopolising it and by putting killswitches in all augs. Taggart, also Illuminati, tries to approach this differently by instead regulating everything under UN, which is under Illuminati control. Darrow is also part of the Illuminati. They hire these mercs and FEMA etc to kidnap these scientists and use them to develop these killswitches etc. However, at the end Darrow is bitter because he can't use his own technology, so decides 'fuck you all and fuck augs' and tries to get them all banned. Then TYM tries this one final thing to try and incorporate herself into the big supercomputer to try and achieve world dominance.
How close am I? As for the gameplay, WOW this game became a lot better after I stopped paying attention to every single grate and sidequest. It actually became a lot of fun. It became a huge scrounge for ammo towards the end which was a little annoying and the Typhoon really is pretty much the equivalent of Colossi in SC2. But I might even do a second stealth playthrough purely through to find out all the secrets now that I actually know the story.
You got it !
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Finally, good thing they made them avalaible. The price seems quite reasonable too.
One thing I really hate about current gaming culture are these special exclusive preorder ingame bonuses. I wasn't even affected by this (in Europe the Augmented edition contained both packs) but it would piss me off if I had to choose between these two and therefore had an uncomplete game, however small the incompletness might have been.
It's especially annonying knowing that every pirate can play the games with all such bonuses and for free.
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United States22883 Posts
$4 for one quest is reasonable? o.o
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On October 02 2011 03:45 Jibba wrote:
$4 for one quest is reasonable? o.o
I expected someone would disagree. But yes, it is. It's the prize for upgrading your version to the preorder bonuses. You can't sell it to cheap, otherwise you risk angering people who preorder thinking they were getting something exclusive. 3 euros for both pack is reasonable then, not too expensive for one side, not too cheap for the other.
Granted, it would be much more reasonable just to pay once and get a complete game without artifically cut out content, but we don't live in a perfect world, do we?
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United States22883 Posts
You can't sell it to cheap, otherwise you risk angering people who preorder thinking they were getting something exclusive. Well they got it a month+ before everyone else. They didn't pay more.
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Just completed and I have to say it's a very nice game I only really got bored at 1 point and that was because it started to feel like Zelda style going in one temple and out the other with 7 left to go.
Storyline is interesting, I'm confused what happened at the end. I presumed more would happen and the story would wrap up slightly more but I haven't bought any of the DEs before so I'm not sure where it stands.
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So...I finished the game as the Guy Who Shoots Stuff, and I'm pleasantly surprised. The gameplay is rather smooth for combat, as opposed to the stealth approach, which I found to be a rather boring and wasteful experience due to being essentially waiting until the vision cones were no longer look at the route that you waned to take across the floor.
Overall, great gameplay, not so great story. The endings were very pretty, but I wanted to see something more like the original, an epic end that had dramatic overtones. With this, all I did was push a button and watch a series of images that I could find on CNN's daily articles and National Geographic.
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I replayed Deus Ex 1 a few days ago and i cant understand why people think its that much better than HR.
+ Show Spoiler +Sure it may have been revolutionary back then and HR isnt right now, but looking bad at DE1 its pretty dull and the story isnt really hooking. And the boss fights oh my...
you have this faggot gunther following you to multiple locations, just to get killed by 2 hits with a super sword. But its fine, he was an old model with mechanicals augs and the next boss will have nano augs and will be a lot harder. But wait, did he really just die to 1 single hit with the sword 1 second after the conversation because he tried to run past me?
The story was pretty streamlined and had no twists at all, nothing to think about. You find out that ambrosia is created by the same company that creates the virus pretty soon and realize that it has fucking nothing to do with the masterplan of this guy who just wants to become god, where as in HR i was constantly wondering who is behind what, how is sarif involved in this etc, OH WHAT MEGAN IS ALIVE? And the progression is the same in both games, you travel from location to location, meet strangers who just happen to tell you enough to give you a hint to the next location.
Another thing are the augs and the skillpoint system ins DE1. Now Denton has way superior augs than jensen, but he has to use his energy to heal himself, while jensen just chills out while his health fills itself automatically? And jensen can fall from any height without dieing unlike Denton who is crippled after falling one floor depsite having 4 points in the feet aug. Jensen can throw fucking vending machines and spin your whole body by grabbing your head and Denton throws a barrel only so far that he is still i nrange to grab it afterwards. Jensen becomes immune to emp and gas while denton still fucking dies after 3 seconds of being exposed to it.
So yeah iny my oppinion HR > DE1 by far
Edit: I played both games as the guy who shoots everything, because like the post above, i find it pretty boring to wait till this guys vision cone happens to not cover this guys location anymore so i can walk up on him and STUN him instead of killing him opr shoot him with a gun that puts him to sleep instead of killing him(almost the same action anyway)
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So yeah, you clearly grew up in this generation of gaming. I mean Jibba's criticisms were pretty spot on, if you didn't see the fairly obvious setups in the HR plot, I don't know what to say.
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On October 06 2011 22:51 Judicator wrote:
So yeah, you clearly grew up in this generation of gaming. I mean Jibba's criticisms were pretty spot on, if you didn't see the fairly obvious setups in the HR plot, I don't know what to say.
Nah, the last singleplayer game apart from sc2 story i played through was i think gothic2 years ago. Im not saying its a perfect story, its pretty streamlined and the ending is abrupt, but my point is, the original DE was exactly the same.
In the end you press different buttons and get 3 different ending videos, the only thing that changes was that you have to run around in different directions.
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On September 27 2011 06:53 Firebolt145 wrote:
I'm just getting into the FEMA facility and I...can't say I'm enjoying this game too much. Maybe it's because I prefer being told a story and I've spent so much time completing relatively plot-less side quests but this game feels waaaay too slow and open ended for me. I know the combat is supposed to be less combative and more of tactical stealthy approaches but jesus I just want to go from point A to point B without having to figure out how to stealthily drop this guard so that other guard doesn't see me...
Maybe I should just go read a book.
That's when the game just starts to pick up hardcore after that zone!
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On October 06 2011 22:38 Warri wrote:
I replayed Deus Ex 1 a few days ago and i cant understand why people think its that much better than HR.
Sure it may have been revolutionary back then and HR isnt right now
Deus Ex was released in 2000, 11 years ago. Nobody would care about Mona Lisa if it was painted today lol.
Actually the sole fact that you replayed the game is a testament its awesomeness ( even if you are trying to nitpick to find some "flaws" ).
On October 06 2011 22:38 Warri wrote:
but looking bad at DE1 its pretty dull and the story isnt really hooking.
If Deus Ex is dull i have to ask you which games aren't. It has some memorable moments and took video gaming to new highs ( Lebedev / Anna, Saving Paul ). It was the first time you could have this kind of encounters in a FPS ( i.e: implicit, meaningful choices ).
When people played this game the first time they didn't always realize that you could save Paul or Lebedev because in all the previous FPS IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE. Do you even understand this huge leap forward ?
Do you even know that the game has won several awards for this exact reason ?
+ Show Spoiler + Wiki:
Awards and Greatest games lists
Deus Ex has earned a number of awards and many nominations, including over 40 "Game of the Year" and/or "Best in Class" awards in magazines and websites. This includes awards from the British Academy of Film and Television Arts, IGN, GameSpy, PC Gamer, Computer Gaming World, and The Adrenaline Vault, among many others. Deus Ex was also awarded "Excellence in Game Design" and "Game Innovation Spotlight" at the 2000 Game Developers Choice Awards and won in the "Computer Innovation" and "Computer Action/Adventure" categories at the Interactive Achievement Awards. It has additionally received many "Best Story" accolades, including first prize in the 2006 Gamasutra "Quantum Leap" awards for storytelling in a video game.
I will not bother to list the greatest best game lists because people who vote for that are often stupid and don't know shit about video games. Even if Deus makes it to the top 50 there are so many mediocre games in those rankings that it is insulting for a game like Dx to be ranked between some dumb shooter ( i.e: 99% of post Deus Ex shooters ) and a JRPG.
Anyway the main fact is the leading experts about video games think that Deus Ex is one of the greatest games of all time ( something that Dx3 will never be able to achieve lol ).
On October 06 2011 22:38 Warri wrote:
And the boss fights oh my...
you have this faggot gunther following you to multiple locations, just to get killed by 2 hits with a super sword. But its fine, he was an old model with mechanicals augs and the next boss will have nano augs and will be a lot harder. But wait, did he really just die to 1 single hit with the sword 1 second after the conversation because he tried to run past me?
Deus Ex was never known for its boss fights. It was known for the characterization of the bosses, how they interact with JC and the others npcs and how you could kill them at different moment in the game.
The AI in Deus Ex was never considered exceptional, even when it was released and indeed the boss combat scripts are quite poor. It was quite disapointing because Dx uses the same engine than UT99, a game with some amazing bots. However since you are whining about the AI of a ten years old game, what about the Dx3 AI ? Is it good ? Did you like the boss fights with their ridiculous repetitive patterns ? The zombies of the last level ? The Final fight that you can win with 3 EMP ?
I feel really sorry for you if you think that Dx3 has a good AI and good boss fights. Also the bosses have no characterization but w/e.
On October 06 2011 22:38 Warri wrote:
The story was pretty streamlined and had no twists at all, nothing to think about.
Yea sure. The NSF being good guys, Paul's UNATCO treason, Lebedev dilemna, Manderley being a corrupted bureaucrat, the augs, DeBeers/Everett, the three AIs, etc... there is absolutly nothing to think about LOL.
Tell me about the great FPS that make you think please. Bioshock ? Portal ? Borderlands ?
On October 06 2011 22:38 Warri wrote:
You find out that ambrosia is created by the same company that creates the virus pretty soon and realize that it has fucking nothing to do with the masterplan of this guy who just wants to become god
That's why it is a good game. Because you don't wait the last 10 minutes of the game to know what you are supposed to do.
The "bad" guys are unveiled during the middle of the game and that's why you have the motivation to finish the game. In Deus Ex3 after Detroit i was running around without any clue and most of the quests were chores. I had no incentive because the bosses and bad/grey guys are so poorly characterized that you don't even want to kill them. The artsy Chinese bitch and three mute augmented agents... Even the fucking princess you have to save is dumb ( that's the only one i wanted to kill tbh lol ). Sure there are some more interesting characters ( Sarif, Tong etc... ) but you can't kill them anyway... they are just giving you quests. They are not real antagonists.
On October 06 2011 22:38 Warri wrote:
, where as in HR i was constantly wondering who is behind what, how is sarif involved in this etc, OH WHAT MEGAN IS ALIVE? And the progression is the same in both games, you travel from location to location, meet strangers who just happen to tell you enough to give you a hint to the next location.
Yea i felt the same. Runing around and hacking computers with the same fucking dumb mini game and clearing some filler missions with almost no motivation lol.
On October 06 2011 22:38 Warri wrote:Another thing are the augs and the skillpoint system ins DE1. Now Denton has way superior augs than jensen, but he has to use his energy to heal himself, while jensen just chills out while his health fills itself automatically? And jensen can fall from any height without dieing unlike Denton who is crippled after falling one floor depsite having 4 points in the feet aug. Jensen can throw fucking vending machines and spin your whole body by grabbing your head and Denton throws a barrel only so far that he is still i nrange to grab it afterwards. Jensen becomes immune to emp and gas while denton still fucking dies after 3 seconds of being exposed to it. So yeah iny my oppinion HR > DE1 by far
Yea man definitly Deus Ex3 is clearly better than Dx1 because it has auto regen and because you can be immune to gas
( which is actually inacurate because you can get augs against gas in Dx1 too btw).
You know what the best fucking game ever is Doom because when you type IDDAD and IDKFQ you get the GOD MODE and you can blast HORDES OF DEMONS with A PLAMA GUN. Fucking Dx3 can't top that
Doom > Dx3 by far
GG
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