Total War: Warhammer - Page 76

On October 21 2017 20:50 Latham wrote:
Can you guys make like a quick list of top 5 factions for each unit "type"? Like who has the best archers? best cavalry? best melee? best spears? best artillery? Best beasts/monsters etc.
Would like to hear your opinions =), factions including both WH1 & 2 (for the upcoming mortal enemies campaign)

On October 21 2017 22:18 Nezgar wrote:


That's pretty hard until we see what kind of changes they have made to the units for the mortal empires campaign. And we have no idea how they have changed tech trees and skill trees for the lords, which can be a huge factor.

On October 22 2017 00:22 Manit0u wrote:
For best war machines don't look any further than Empire

On October 22 2017 00:43 waffelz wrote:


I haven't checked out how they compare in Warhammer 2, but as long as they didn’t get a huge buff and by war machine you mean cannons and such, the empire surely isn’t even close to dwarfs or skaven in my book. Empires cannons, batteries and mortars gets blown away by the dwarfen and skaven artillery.

On October 22 2017 02:30 xDaunt wrote:


Per my previous posts, Empire artillery is hugely buffed in WH2. I suspect that Dwarven artillery received some upgrades, too, so it's tough to say where they stand relative to each other. However, I do think that it's clear that the runaway top three war machine / artillery factions are Dwarves, Skaven, and Empire in some order.

For best cavalry, I think it's Bretonnia, Empire, and VC. This isn't to say that other factions don't have high end cavalry, but those three factions are the ones who are going to be dominating on the flanks with cav.

For best ranged infantry, I'd pick Wood Elves (clear winner here), Dwarves, and Empire (handgunners). Their the factions with powerful enough ranged infantry that you can build armies around. Dark Elves get an honorable mention here.

Where things get tricky is when you start comparing things like best line infantry and monsters. Lots of factions have very strong line infantry. If you put a gun to my head, I'd probably say that the top three are Warriors of Chaos, Norsca, and Dwarves (Ironbreakers rule), with severe apologies to Dark Elves, High Elves, and Lizardmen. I'm not even sure that I can do a good comparison of monsters.

Lastly, there's magic. This is a bit tough to do as well without seeing how all of the other lores of magic have been buffed in WH2. However, I suspect that the factions with the strongest magic will be Empire, High Elves, and Dark Elves, with many other factions having strong options.

On October 22 2017 08:00 KobraKay wrote:
I suspect you are underselling Lizardmen but when the ME comes out, time will tell.

On October 22 2017 08:40 Simberto wrote:
Murder them with real archers, or even better, real archers and a unit of something with shields to tank. Or take some mage that slows them/roots them.

On October 22 2017 19:29 Manit0u wrote:


The biggest problem here is fighting Lizardmen as DE. While Shades and darkshards make quick work of skinks the saurus and some big scary monsters are usually close by and it's damn hard to keep them away from your skirmishers.

That's rather obnoxious to deal with early-mid game.

On October 22 2017 02:30 xDaunt wrote:


Per my previous posts, Empire artillery is hugely buffed in WH2. I suspect that Dwarven artillery received some upgrades, too, so it's tough to say where they stand relative to each other. However, I do think that it's clear that the runaway top three war machine / artillery factions are Dwarves, Skaven, and Empire in some order.

For best cavalry, I think it's Bretonnia, Empire, and VC. This isn't to say that other factions don't have high end cavalry, but those three factions are the ones who are going to be dominating on the flanks with cav.

For best ranged infantry, I'd pick Wood Elves (clear winner here), Dwarves, and Empire (handgunners). Their the factions with powerful enough ranged infantry that you can build armies around. Dark Elves get an honorable mention here.

Where things get tricky is when you start comparing things like best line infantry and monsters. Lots of factions have very strong line infantry. If you put a gun to my head, I'd probably say that the top three are Warriors of Chaos, Norsca, and Dwarves (Ironbreakers rule), with severe apologies to Dark Elves, High Elves, and Lizardmen. I'm not even sure that I can do a good comparison of monsters.

Lastly, there's magic. This is a bit tough to do as well without seeing how all of the other lores of magic have been buffed in WH2. However, I suspect that the factions with the strongest magic will be Empire, High Elves, and Dark Elves, with many other factions having strong options.

On October 23 2017 01:22 xDaunt wrote:
Yeah, Dark Elves should not have problems with Lizardmen. Just massacre the dinos and skirmishers with your ranged troops and then mop up the saurus lines with flanking attacks.

On October 23 2017 06:24 Manit0u wrote:


The real problem here is that DE don't really have anything to hold up big monsters pre-black guard. Carnosaurs and stegadons just prance through dreadspears barely slowing down. Not to mention the fact, that if you bring enough spears to hold big monsters you have nothing to stop saurus warriors simply chewing through your line. They're such beasts. Just today I was doing some Kroq-Gar campaigning, had pretty small army (can't afford more in the beginning): 2x saurus spears with shields, 4x warriors with shields, 3x chameleon skinks (blessed spawning), 1x stegadon, 1x kroxigors, kroq, scar and heavens skink priest. Total of ~450 units. Got ambushed by 4 skaven stacks with nearly 4k troops total and some catapults. Lost ~130 troops (no units were lost) and I've slaughtered the rats wholesale. Shows you just how strong the saurus are (they got the majority of kills, along with the stegadon).