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Where to start :p
For the future, I would high suggest to not build like this :p You have roads leading directly on your highway which causes these problems.
What you want is a few roads off the highway, for example one at the edge of the water, another at the far side of the city.
Then have a new highway leading to the top of the screen with a on/off ramp there.
These ramps will then probably lead to a roundabout which distributes the traffic to 1-2 6 lane roads that lead through the city.
Off this 6 way road you then branch 2 way roads leading into the actual streets with zoning.
Now as for your specific situation, and with the least amount of bulldozing.
On the far right side, make a highway exit and run a 6 lane road along the edge of your high density. From that run a road into the zoning every 20 blocks orso. This will distribute the traffic from your highway on that side.
Buy the left plot and get a Highway running to your agriculture so all that traffic doesn't have to cut through your city.
The lower half is a lot more tricky cause you build so close to the highway,
Probably up the bottom red line to a 6 lane 2-way road. If you get trucks going across the water to your agriculture instead of taking the Highway you should build then consider adding a No Heavy traffic zone in that section.
I don't know your current public transport situation but I would put like 5 metro stations in the area between the river and your highway, add bus lines to bring people to those subways from the surrounding area. Another 2 metro's below your highway, more if it gos down far. And 3 orso in the island area (above the river). Hopefully this will significantly reduce the amount of cars you have going around which will help with the traffic aswell.
Save before you do radical stuff tho ^^
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You need to do the hierarchy of roads thing, like highway, big road, small road. Doesn't necessarily matter if you're using single lane or double lane, just make sure you're going from big and fast to small and slower. Right now, you've got so many roads going off your highway it's basically forced to go slow as the smallest 2 lane road.
Typically I have highways that uses a stupid expensive cloverleaf or w/e to get off, then lead that into the city on a "pseudo highway". I'll usually do a couple over complicated triple roundabout to allow traffic to flow in 4 directions there, then from the 4 main roads I'll have the smaller ones (usually 1 way) with a few intersections. You want to try and compartmentalize a bit as well, I usually do "units" with a 1 way road outer loop, then a bunch of alternative 1 ways if that makes sense.
If you can shove a cargo train with a road that runs around the edge of your industrial areas, that'll probably help a lot. Also, ban heavy traffic wherever you can.
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holy shit, sounds like I have to revamp the entire thing and I have no idea where to start T___T
Also, is there not a bigger elementary school wtf? I have to put 5 in one spot just to compensate for high density
I don't get what are ramps and just doing elevated highways into the city?
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On April 07 2015 07:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
holy shit, sounds like I have to revamp the entire thing and I have no idea where to start T___T
Also, is there not a bigger elementary school wtf? I have to put 5 in one spot just to compensate for high density
I don't get what are ramps and just doing elevated highways into the city?
Ramps are just ways to get on and off the highway, there is even a road type for it.
I understand if you don't want to revamp the entire area, that's why I offered some suggestions that might ease the traffic to the area around your highway and let that relieve the stress hopefully.
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On April 07 2015 07:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
holy shit, sounds like I have to revamp the entire thing and I have no idea where to start T___T
Also, is there not a bigger elementary school wtf? I have to put 5 in one spot just to compensate for high density
I don't get what are ramps and just doing elevated highways into the city?
Have you ever driven on a highway? Ramps are the little one-way roads you use to get on and off a highway. They work best coming in and out at very shallow angles, so cars can just merge on and off instead of having a fullblown intersection.
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When in doubt... roundabout.
I get utterly mesmerized just looking at my traffic sometimes. I stared at my main little intersection for like 30 minutes once in a daze.
![[image loading]](http://s17.postimg.org/6iuxmg7jj/Screen_Shot_2015_04_06_at_7_39_42_PM.png)
I kind of want to actually drive around a roundabout IRL. I think I've literally never seen one in the North East.
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On April 07 2015 07:42 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 07:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
holy shit, sounds like I have to revamp the entire thing and I have no idea where to start T___T
Also, is there not a bigger elementary school wtf? I have to put 5 in one spot just to compensate for high density
I don't get what are ramps and just doing elevated highways into the city? Have you ever driven on a highway? Ramps are the little one-way roads you use to get on and off a highway. They work best coming in and out at very shallow angles, so cars can just merge on and off instead of having a fullblown intersection.
Never driven a car in my life.
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good game but am i the only one who finds the text too small and hard to read?
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On April 07 2015 09:07 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 07:42 Millitron wrote:On April 07 2015 07:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
holy shit, sounds like I have to revamp the entire thing and I have no idea where to start T___T
Also, is there not a bigger elementary school wtf? I have to put 5 in one spot just to compensate for high density
I don't get what are ramps and just doing elevated highways into the city? Have you ever driven on a highway? Ramps are the little one-way roads you use to get on and off a highway. They work best coming in and out at very shallow angles, so cars can just merge on and off instead of having a fullblown intersection. Never driven a car in my life.
Ok, well I find it a little hard to believe you have 0 experience with highways at all, whether you were the driver or just a passenger.
But anyways I recommend looking at real highways. Google image search "Highway interchange" to see some powerful designs. Do note though that they may not all work perfectly in-game. The traffic AI isn't identical to real traffic. For instance they don't like to change lanes in-game.
On April 07 2015 08:44 DannyJ wrote:When in doubt... roundabout. I get utterly mesmerized just looking at my traffic sometimes. I stared at my main little intersection for like 30 minutes once in a daze. I kind of want to actually drive around a roundabout IRL. I think I've literally never seen one in the North East.
The only one I know in the US is in Buffalo, New York. It's absolutely terrible because its pretty heavily overcrowded. It is absolutely not a good representation of roundabouts, because it is simply too small for the amount of traffic it receives. Don't blame all roundabouts for that one being terrible.
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On April 07 2015 10:02 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 09:07 Torte de Lini wrote:On April 07 2015 07:42 Millitron wrote:On April 07 2015 07:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
holy shit, sounds like I have to revamp the entire thing and I have no idea where to start T___T
Also, is there not a bigger elementary school wtf? I have to put 5 in one spot just to compensate for high density
I don't get what are ramps and just doing elevated highways into the city? Have you ever driven on a highway? Ramps are the little one-way roads you use to get on and off a highway. They work best coming in and out at very shallow angles, so cars can just merge on and off instead of having a fullblown intersection. Never driven a car in my life. Ok, well I find it a little hard to believe you have 0 experience with highways at all, whether you were the driver or just a passenger. But anyways I recommend looking at real highways. Google image search "Highway interchange" to see some powerful designs. Do note though that they may not all work perfectly in-game. The traffic AI isn't identical to real traffic. For instance they don't like to change lanes in-game. Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 08:44 DannyJ wrote:When in doubt... roundabout. I get utterly mesmerized just looking at my traffic sometimes. I stared at my main little intersection for like 30 minutes once in a daze. I kind of want to actually drive around a roundabout IRL. I think I've literally never seen one in the North East. The only one I know in the US is in Buffalo, New York. It's absolutely terrible because its pretty heavily overcrowded. It is absolutely not a good representation of roundabouts, because it is simply too small for the amount of traffic it receives. Don't blame all roundabouts for that one being terrible.
Come to Boston then, there are a lot of roundabout (or rotary as we call them here).
Some tips for traffic problem:
Elevated road is your friend.
Less intersection is better than more intersection
Lots of smaller cities works better than one large city.
Most of the traffic problems in game are
Too many intersections causing delay (if you have 2 intersection right next to each other, your traffic will grind to a halt)
Not optimized merging (if someone merges onto a two way and turn left, that would block all the straight traffic)
Very rarely you run into actual throughput issue (too many cars for the road to handle, tends to see those when your industry traffic have to go through residential area)
To reduce intersections you want a major artery through town to suck up all the traffic from different zones, and then funnel them into highway system. Elevated 6 lane two way with a few connection to normal traffic works really well without doing highway ramp madness
Roundabouts using highway road to reduce traffic stop (there is no traffic light when you merge into a highway, compare to a one way normal street)
Merging is a bit trickier, one way road helps but it's mostly streamlined design on / off highway, major artery. Takes a bit trial n error
Industry traffic has simplest solution, you need make sure there is a direct route to / from industrial zone and highway without driving through residential area, easiest way to do this is to build industrial zone right next to highway.
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Roundabouts didn't exist in the US till the 90s and still, there are not many. France has like 10x more than the States combined.
edit: Cities in the states tend to be laid out on grids while France has wide boulevards leading to roundabouts around symbolic areas
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Honestly, start a new city. While it's a lovely little town, it just doesn't have the design to get bigger. 50K is a good go, but it's achievable in a few hours once you get the hang of it. Incorporate what you learned on your own, some of the tips from here and from the rest of the internet, go ham on cool Steam workshop assets and mods and build a beautiful new city. You can even use the same map if you like!
I think for me the progression was something like 20k -> 50k -> 80k -> 280k, along with a bunch of 100k+ cities with the unlimited money mod. I've been forced to take a break because I'e been swamped with school though. To be fair, it's not only size that matters, you can do some tricky and beautiful stuff with custom terrains.
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On April 07 2015 15:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
Honestly, start a new city. While it's a lovely little town, it just doesn't have the design to get bigger. 50K is a good go, but it's achievable in a few hours once you get the hang of it. Incorporate what you learned on your own, some of the tips from here and from the rest of the internet, go ham on cool Steam workshop assets and mods and build a beautiful new city. You can even use the same map if you like!
I think for me the progression was something like 20k -> 50k -> 80k -> 280k, along with a bunch of 100k+ cities with the unlimited money mod. I've been forced to take a break because I'e been swamped with school though. To be fair, it's not only size that matters, you can do some tricky and beautiful stuff with custom terrains.
the entire structure and layout of the city is awful, I admit and think it's also what scales up the challenge as I expand.
I'd only really start a new city if/when I can get a city with a stronger river and a much more rocky landscape (high mountains and waterfalls). Haven't seen a map like that so I won't start again.
Also, this is a good time to actually learn how to use roads and trains and metros since I have aboslutely no clue and sort of winged it in SC4.
Plus, it wouldn't be right to just start again when the city you've woven is inherently flawed/needs massive revisions, that's sort of part of the game no? to work with what you got?
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On April 07 2015 10:02 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 09:07 Torte de Lini wrote:On April 07 2015 07:42 Millitron wrote:On April 07 2015 07:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
holy shit, sounds like I have to revamp the entire thing and I have no idea where to start T___T
Also, is there not a bigger elementary school wtf? I have to put 5 in one spot just to compensate for high density
I don't get what are ramps and just doing elevated highways into the city? Have you ever driven on a highway? Ramps are the little one-way roads you use to get on and off a highway. They work best coming in and out at very shallow angles, so cars can just merge on and off instead of having a fullblown intersection. Never driven a car in my life. Ok, well I find it a little hard to believe you have 0 experience with highways at all, whether you were the driver or just a passenger. But anyways I recommend looking at real highways. Google image search "Highway interchange" to see some powerful designs. Do note though that they may not all work perfectly in-game. The traffic AI isn't identical to real traffic. For instance they don't like to change lanes in-game. Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 08:44 DannyJ wrote:When in doubt... roundabout. I get utterly mesmerized just looking at my traffic sometimes. I stared at my main little intersection for like 30 minutes once in a daze. I kind of want to actually drive around a roundabout IRL. I think I've literally never seen one in the North East. The only one I know in the US is in Buffalo, New York. It's absolutely terrible because its pretty heavily overcrowded. It is absolutely not a good representation of roundabouts, because it is simply too small for the amount of traffic it receives. Don't blame all roundabouts for that one being terrible.
Well, I won't give my life story here but I've lived in Cities for the second half of my life, so the first half (15 and down) was my parents driving and I never really paid attention. I don't even have a license.
I noticed even with multiple entries to the city, most traffic AI still only take the main one, it's kind of annoying.
On April 07 2015 09:23 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
good game but am i the only one who finds the text too small and hard to read?
There's a mod for that, text rescaler
On April 07 2015 07:37 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 07:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
holy shit, sounds like I have to revamp the entire thing and I have no idea where to start T___T
Also, is there not a bigger elementary school wtf? I have to put 5 in one spot just to compensate for high density
I don't get what are ramps and just doing elevated highways into the city? Ramps are just ways to get on and off the highway, there is even a road type for it. I understand if you don't want to revamp the entire area, that's why I offered some suggestions that might ease the traffic to the area around your highway and let that relieve the stress hopefully.
yeah, when I get home; I;'ll take a look! I think I'll just cut out the entire middle area (Offices/Commercial) and just start building a massive highway. I'll save first.
Might start again too though, I hate the layout of the map to be frank.
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What's up with some players wanting agriculture or forestry industries, or even regular industry over offices? Offices seem like an ideal solution (too much so). I think that offices don't make as much money as regular industry, but I think they make just as much or more than agriculture or forestry (which is stuck at level 1). That said, I've never found income to even be an issue though. Isn't it far nicer having people —potentially— living right next to where they work than having to drive off to some polluted (or at least noise-polluted) isolated part of town?
On April 07 2015 09:23 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
good game but am i the only one who finds the text too small and hard to read?
Totally. It doesn't scale at all with high resolution, so if you're running at like 2048x1536, or 4k, or even 1920x1200 the pixel font will remain the same, but with DPI going down it makes the text so much smaller.
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On April 08 2015 11:08 Xapti wrote:What's up with some players wanting agriculture or forestry industries, or even regular industry over offices? Offices seem like an ideal solution (too much so). I think that offices don't make as much money as regular industry, but I think they make just as much or more than agriculture or forestry (which is stuck at level 1). That said, I've never found income to even be an issue though. Isn't it far nicer having people —potentially— living right next to where they work than having to drive off to some polluted (or at least noise-polluted) isolated part of town? Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 09:23 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
good game but am i the only one who finds the text too small and hard to read? Totally. It doesn't scale at all with high resolution, so if you're running at like 2048x1536, or 4k, or even 1920x1200 the pixel font will remain the same, but with DPI going down it makes the text so much smaller.
An advantage to having traditional industry in town is that there is less truck traffic coming from off map going to your commercial areas clogging your highways. The only trucks should be your own, and with some clever roadwork or rail usage, they can be kept off the highways.
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On April 08 2015 11:08 Xapti wrote:What's up with some players wanting agriculture or forestry industries, or even regular industry over offices? Offices seem like an ideal solution (too much so). I think that offices don't make as much money as regular industry, but I think they make just as much or more than agriculture or forestry (which is stuck at level 1). That said, I've never found income to even be an issue though. Isn't it far nicer having people —potentially— living right next to where they work than having to drive off to some polluted (or at least noise-polluted) isolated part of town? Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 09:23 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
good game but am i the only one who finds the text too small and hard to read? Totally. It doesn't scale at all with high resolution, so if you're running at like 2048x1536, or 4k, or even 1920x1200 the pixel font will remain the same, but with DPI going down it makes the text so much smaller.
aside from industry providing resources for other industry and for commerce there is such a thing as 'because we can'.
Skyline is a single player game with no win condition. 'Because you can' is the reason for everything in this game.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
You get more tax revenue if you handle all steps of the goods chain: the raw materials, the processing, manufacturing, and selling. Otherwise your Commercial districts must import raw materials and you miss out on tax revenue + suffer increased traffic.
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What type of intersections do you guys use for the initial highway connection?
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If you just want a high way connection to your town, simplest way is to use a Y connection
<------Westbond----
<------Eastbond----<-----Highway-----
<-----6 lane 2 way traffic------->
----Westbond------>------Highway----->
----Eastbond------->
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