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malcram
2752 Posts
On April 16 2016 01:24 Reaps wrote: If you're from EU you need to change server to Americas then you will automaticly be changed to EU. i'm in SEA though, been playing America server since a while ago | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
no beta key still -.- | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On April 15 2016 21:29 Gorsameth wrote: Its 349 invites vs 252 as conducted in an amateur internet survey. Sorry but your going to be very hard pressed to persuade anyone who knows anything about statistics that any real conclusions can be drawn from this. ¨ FFS, stop talking when you can't do basic math. Invited people from EU / (not invited people from EU + invited people from EU). Compare that metric to that of NA. The fact that you even mention the 349 to 252 numbers demonstrates you have no idea at all on math/interpreting numbers. It could simply just reflect that more people from NA are taking part in the survey (which wasn't the case at the time, but that's not the point). This is such simple math, and the fact that you cannot figure it out makes it obvious you should take some course in basic statistics before commenting. Thanks in advance. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
On April 16 2016 02:26 Hider wrote: ¨ No. Do the math, it's very basic Invited people from EU / (not invited people from EU + invited people from EU). Compare that metric to that of NA. THE DIFFERENCE IS HUGE. This is high school math. I am not sure why its so difficult for you to figure out. Because if we take this random amateur internet poll at face value 72% of all US signups has been invited into the Beta which is a hilarious figure. Its utterly useless. Edit: You know what, fine. Lets take this useless poll at face value Now what? You going to whine that daddy Blizzard didn't invite you into his Beta, for which he holds entirely no reason or obligation? Seriously, what is the point? American company invites more Americans into testing? Open Beta is a month away, Release less then 2 weeks after. Grow the fuck up you entitled little brats. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On April 16 2016 01:26 Plansix wrote: Internet surveys continue to be garbage. Nothing has changed. And why is this a thing? Unless someone is trying to argue “real fans” deserve beta access? Which just reminds me when people were salty about not getting into the heart stone beta. What is your point? That NA fans weren't a ton more likely to be invited than EU fans? Despite the fact that the data clearly indicates that and the ond the only way that couldn't be the case is if thousands of respondants were lying. On April 16 2016 02:31 Gorsameth wrote: Because if we take this random amateur internet poll at face value 72% of all US signups has been invited into the Beta which is a hilarious figure. Its utterly useless. No that's not what the survey says. That metric could easily be inflated by the fact that you are more likely to take part in the survey if you got beta access. But that shold be the same for EU and US respondants. So this is a complete non-issue. Hence what the survey indicates is that EU fans were 3 times less likely to be invited than NA fans. It doesnt' say anything about the absolute %. If your interested, the newest numbers are 77% for NA and 27% for EU with thousands of additional peopple having respondend. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 16 2016 02:33 Hider wrote: What is your point? That NA fans weren't a ton more likely to be invited than EU fans? Despite the fact that the data clearly indicates that and the ond the only way that couldn't be the case is if thousands of respondants were lying. "Data". Right. Flawed, garbage data that was collected through flawed, garbage means. A survey who's methodology that can't be reviewed and is likely garbage. Selection bias is the reality of this survey. That and garbage. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On April 16 2016 02:38 Plansix wrote: "Data". Right. Flawed, garbage data that was collected through flawed, garbage means. A survey who's methodology that can't be reviewed and is likely garbage. Selection bias is the reality of this survey. That and garbage. Yeh, but usually to dismiss data when its flawed. It's something I do all the time. But that's not to say that data cannot be valuable. You can't just dismiss it blindly. You need to understand the potential bias's that could impact it. I've reflected upon that, and couldnt' see a whole lot of reasons for the discrepancy to be so significant. But your welcome to make your own argument. But dismissing this type of data witout any further reasoning is simply ignorant. | ||
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Valiver
Caldeum1977 Posts
On April 16 2016 02:33 Hider wrote: What is your point? That NA fans weren't a ton more likely to be invited than EU fans? Despite the fact that the data clearly indicates that and the ond the only way that couldn't be the case is if thousands of respondants were lying. No that's not what the survey says. That metric could easily be inflated by the fact that you are more likely to take part in the survey if you got beta access. But that shold be the same for EU and US respondants. So this is a complete non-issue. Hence what the survey indicates is that EU fans were 3 times less likely to be invited than NA fans. It doesnt' say anything about the absolute %. You are picking which conclusions from the "data" to look at and dismissing all the rest. If you believe this chart to be accurate at all we have to conclude that of the people voting on this, ~70% of NA got invited. I severely doubt that's the case, and the entire thing is probably skewed into oblivion, as are all internet polls. If you disagree with the fact that 70% of NA got invited, you disagree with the poll itself, not us, and have to admit the charts are worthless. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
If you believe this chart to be accurate at all we have to conclude that of the people voting on this, ~70% of NA got invited. No I just responded why that isn't true in the post you replied too. Please reread it. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
Arguing about statistics and numbers when the only purpose is "some EU players might be salty". Open beta is really soon, right? Why look for some hidden agenda behind it? | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
Why is that even such a fuss? Not really fuss. Just a bunch of people lacking basic statistics (interpretation) skills. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On April 16 2016 02:49 Hider wrote: Not really fuss. Just a bunch of people lacking basic statistics (interpretation) skills. Do you know where and when the poll was originally posted? | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/4evwbv/answer_this_google_doc_form_when_you_know_if_you/d23xquv) It seems people can discuss reasons for the assymetry in the metric, which is more produtive than the discussion here. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On April 16 2016 02:54 Duka08 wrote: Do you know where and when the poll was originally posted? Reddit, around 10-11 AM CET So early respondents were heavily skewed towards EU people. But since Reddit is more NA populated (in general), there are now more respondants from NA who has responded. But using this for absolute numbers isn't useful. All you can do is compare the likelihood of being invited if you are from EU compared to if you are from NA by using the simple metric I listed in a previous post. Also if you do want to argue that this metric isn't useful then you need to analyze/discuss potential forms of bias's. This Reddit poster is the only sensible user (read: understands statistics 101) who isn't buying the metric at face value. https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/4evwbv/answer_this_google_doc_form_when_you_know_if_you/d23zaxy I obviously also thought about this factor previously, but it didn't seem likely that it would skew the results that much. I think that if you didn't get in, (and you really wanted) then you are going to be slightly upset no matter if you are from NA and EU, and you are interested in taking part of the survey. If you are from NA you might also be want to see whether the EU bias is real or whether it is just EU users whining and thus you would want to respond if you didn't get in. And especially when it is on the top of the front page. That makes any type of selection bias (between NA and EU) much less relevant. For those reasons, I believe the effect of selection bias is not that significant. Perhaps it could explain a 45 to 40% difference, but it's not the reason that there is a 75 to 25% difference. It's also worth nothing that even he acknowledges that there have been more invites (%) to NA than EU. But his main point is that we cannot be sure of the actual differences in likelihood (which is partially true). Like if you take into account bias's in response the differences may just be 25% to 50% (instead of 25% to 75%). | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
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sushiko
197 Posts
On April 16 2016 04:07 deth2munkies wrote: This Stress test is very stressful on the servers. There are some that are incredibly laggy, some servers that just shut down mid game, and some games that work perfectly fine. It's a clusterfuck right now. Sounds like it's working as intended! Can't wait to go home and help stress them servers. | ||
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
On April 16 2016 04:07 deth2munkies wrote: This Stress test is very stressful on the servers. There are some that are incredibly laggy, some servers that just shut down mid game, and some games that work perfectly fine. It's a clusterfuck right now. I havent been able to connect to EU servers yet, been trying for 3 hours already. NA is fine most of time but suddenly it gets completely unplayable. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
I've been playing few hours, some games are fine, some are unplayable due to lag. | ||
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
On April 16 2016 04:16 Reaps wrote: Velzi as i said on the other page, you need to connect to Americas server because EU servers are down, blizzard said they will automaticly connect you to EU that way. I've been playing few hours, some games are fine, some are unplayable due to lag. Yes i have connected to Americas servers but ping is barely playable (180ms) for me. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On April 16 2016 04:22 Velzi wrote: Yes i have connected to Americas servers but ping is barely playable (180ms) for me. Just keep trying diffrent games, over half of what i played i have had EU ping around 20-40ms. | ||
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