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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9390 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-15 11:27:23
April 15 2016 11:27 GMT
#2881
On April 15 2016 19:44 Reaps wrote:
Yes some people that applied only a week ago got in.


Well I applied the day OW was announced. Never got invited to any form of beta at any point in time.

Also it appears as if this wawe of invites was heavily skewed towards people from NA (4-5 times more likely to be invited according to a survey).
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10719 Posts
April 15 2016 11:31 GMT
#2882
Probably to give their scene the much needed headstart
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-15 11:35:43
April 15 2016 11:34 GMT
#2883
On April 15 2016 20:27 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2016 19:44 Reaps wrote:
Yes some people that applied only a week ago got in.


Well I applied the day OW was announced. Never got invited to any form of beta at any point in time.

Also it appears as if this wawe of invites was heavily skewed towards people from NA (4-5 times more likely to be invited according to a survey).




I also applied the first day, and got my first beta invite today.

And yes i read that EU people only had 15 minutes of invites while NA had almost all day.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 15 2016 11:36 GMT
#2884
On April 15 2016 20:34 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2016 20:27 Hider wrote:
On April 15 2016 19:44 Reaps wrote:
Yes some people that applied only a week ago got in.


Well I applied the day OW was announced. Never got invited to any form of beta at any point in time.

Also it appears as if this wawe of invites was heavily skewed towards people from NA (4-5 times more likely to be invited according to a survey).




I also applied the first day, and got my first beta invite today.

And yes i read that EU people only had 15 minutes of invites while NA had almost all day.


Overwatch Twitter said that it was a miscommunication, flagging started at the same time for everyone.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9390 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-15 11:46:53
April 15 2016 11:44 GMT
#2885
On April 15 2016 20:34 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2016 20:27 Hider wrote:
On April 15 2016 19:44 Reaps wrote:
Yes some people that applied only a week ago got in.


Well I applied the day OW was announced. Never got invited to any form of beta at any point in time.

Also it appears as if this wawe of invites was heavily skewed towards people from NA (4-5 times more likely to be invited according to a survey).




I also applied the first day, and got my first beta invite today.

And yes i read that EU people only had 15 minutes of invites while NA had almost all day.


Well Blizzard said they started at the same time, and I don't think they are lying. But for some reason they just flagged much fewer EU accounts than NA accounts.

This survey points a pretty convincing picture. More NA people who responded (at this timezone) got into the beta than people from EU. So unless some (alot) of people are lying when giving responses, this is pretty insane.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1m2fSN9U_VSRI9pc5FTPD9sw2hkCn2oPJwaBeFsMRau0/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-15 11:55:31
April 15 2016 11:55 GMT
#2886
Don't get me wrong, im just repeating what i have been told, i did see the Overwatch twitter message.

Either way it does seem a lot less EU players did get in, however ill wait some more hours before i judge because there is still many at work and were sleeping when the invites took place.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 15 2016 12:07 GMT
#2887
Wait, that survey doesn't quite say that way more NA accounts are flagged, it says that there are a lot more people from the EU that didn't get in:

[image loading]

There's only a 9% difference between NA and EU in the first graph (granted, that means EU has only 2/3 of the numbers that NA has), while the striking difference comes from how many people in the EU report not getting in (76% of all respondents; more people in absolute numbers than reported getting into any region). I'd wager this is mostly due to the fact that most people that took the survey were from the EU.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9390 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-15 12:23:25
April 15 2016 12:15 GMT
#2888
Wait, that survey doesn't quite say that way more NA accounts are flagged, it says that there are a lot more people from the EU that didn't get in:


You compare them to each other obviously, which gives us the percentage: 71% of NA respondent got in. 25% of EU respondants got in.

So either the respondants are lying or EU got fucked.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21701 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-15 12:25:31
April 15 2016 12:16 GMT
#2889
On April 15 2016 21:07 Ghanburighan wrote:
Wait, that survey doesn't quite say that way more NA accounts are flagged, it says that there are a lot more people from the EU that didn't get in:

[image loading]

There's only a 9% difference between NA and EU in the first graph (granted, that means EU has only 2/3 of the numbers that NA has), while the striking difference comes from how many people in the EU report not getting in (76% of all respondents; more people in absolute numbers than reported getting into any region). I'd wager this is mostly due to the fact that most people that took the survey were from the EU.

Yeah that 2nd graph is pointless.
Less EU invites then US can be simple variance but I can also certainly see it being real.

Are there separate US and EU beta servers?

Edit: With separate servers there isn't really a reason why they would invite less Euros but I'm willing to write it up to the limited outreach of a random amateur internet survey.

The huge amount of people saying they were not invited is meaningless. You have to realize that they will have 10's of millions of signups. The vast vast majority of people is never going to get in the closed beta.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
April 15 2016 12:19 GMT
#2890
On April 15 2016 21:16 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2016 21:07 Ghanburighan wrote:
Wait, that survey doesn't quite say that way more NA accounts are flagged, it says that there are a lot more people from the EU that didn't get in:

[image loading]

There's only a 9% difference between NA and EU in the first graph (granted, that means EU has only 2/3 of the numbers that NA has), while the striking difference comes from how many people in the EU report not getting in (76% of all respondents; more people in absolute numbers than reported getting into any region). I'd wager this is mostly due to the fact that most people that took the survey were from the EU.

Yeah that 2nd graph is pointless.
Less EU invites then US can be simple variance but I can also certainly see it being real.

Are there seperate US and EU beta servers?



Yes
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
April 15 2016 12:23 GMT
#2891
On April 15 2016 21:16 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2016 21:07 Ghanburighan wrote:
Wait, that survey doesn't quite say that way more NA accounts are flagged, it says that there are a lot more people from the EU that didn't get in:

[image loading]

There's only a 9% difference between NA and EU in the first graph (granted, that means EU has only 2/3 of the numbers that NA has), while the striking difference comes from how many people in the EU report not getting in (76% of all respondents; more people in absolute numbers than reported getting into any region). I'd wager this is mostly due to the fact that most people that took the survey were from the EU.

Yeah that 2nd graph is pointless.
Less EU invites then US can be simple variance but I can also certainly see it being real.

Are there seperate US and EU beta servers?

Ofc that 2nd graph means something, no one ever said there was exactly same amount of players with beta registration in EU and NA, it just says there are currently more players in EU who dont have access to beta (whether its because EU got less players in the beta or because there are a lot more players trying to get into beta from EU we dont really know).
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9390 Posts
April 15 2016 12:24 GMT
#2892
Yeah that 2nd graph is pointless.
Less EU invites then US can be simple variance but I can also certainly see it being real.


Ehh... No it is with a certainty of 99.999% not variance (ok i haven't done the math but its up there). Again this is 71% to 25%!
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21701 Posts
April 15 2016 12:29 GMT
#2893
On April 15 2016 21:24 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
Yeah that 2nd graph is pointless.
Less EU invites then US can be simple variance but I can also certainly see it being real.


Ehh... No it is with a certainty of 99.999% not variance (ok i haven't done the math but its up there). Again this is 71% to 25%!

Its 349 invites vs 252 as conducted in an amateur internet survey. Sorry but your going to be very hard pressed to persuade anyone who knows anything about statistics that any real conclusions can be drawn from this.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
April 15 2016 12:30 GMT
#2894
I don't believe anything that's just a random survey like that. There's no evidence that every person that potentially could have gotten beta access responded in either case. No evidence of methodology, nothing. It's just pure internet bullshit masking as science. Not to mention there being a fucking TROLL OPTION you could pick, which further invalidates it.

I don't see why it's even a big deal, they're allowed to test what they want to test how they test it, trust the dev team.
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
April 15 2016 13:20 GMT
#2895
There being a troll options doesn't invalidate it, it's actually a pretty common way to filter out junk responses in surveys.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
April 15 2016 13:51 GMT
#2896
On April 15 2016 22:20 Andre wrote:
There being a troll options doesn't invalidate it, it's actually a pretty common way to filter out junk responses in surveys.


Except that those people that picked the troll option would have selected one of the tested options in the absence of a troll option, making the numbers skewed. For all we know, 100% NA that didn't get in picked the troll option.

Again, never use a stupid internet poll as a basis for a fact.
thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-15 14:48:57
April 15 2016 14:42 GMT
#2897
I've never trusted surveys and never will... especially on the internet!
It's all nonsense....73.6% of all statistics are made up...

“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies and statistics.” is a famous quote by Mark Twain and even that could be made up....because the source is...the internet..
People make up so called "facts", just for the sake of winning an arguement, even though they know they're 100% wrong.
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
April 15 2016 16:12 GMT
#2898
overwatch servers are exploding. i'm stuck on main page with "rejoin match" but cannot connect to server lol...
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
April 15 2016 16:24 GMT
#2899
If you're from EU you need to change server to Americas then you will automaticly be changed to EU.

Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 15 2016 16:26 GMT
#2900
Internet surveys continue to be garbage. Nothing has changed. And why is this a thing? Unless someone is trying to argue “real fans” deserve beta access? Which just reminds me when people were salty about not getting into the heart stone beta.
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