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On August 18 2014 04:55 chasemme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2014 19:56 Manit0u wrote:
And my latest endavours in Infinity (just to show you how cool their minis are), still WIP.
Aww dang. My GF just had her Ariadna starter pack ordered from our FLGS. Excited to start painting. Show nested quote +On August 17 2014 19:56 Manit0u wrote:
Painting is the best part of the hobby for me. Pity I don't have as much time on my hands these days...
I will offer another general point here (that I think has been stated here more than once), if there's some army for some game that you find yourself absolutely in love with, you can probably compromise on the gameplay and price for that game. You're going to spend an obnoxious amount of time staring at half-done models from that set, and I'd argue the most critical part of it is making sure you're excited to look at them every single time.
For me it was always helpful imagining how cool they'll be looking once they're all painted 
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If you're going to play competitive, black templars are the best or deathwing works too.
Some players like to go mechdar or chaos marines as well
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On August 17 2014 19:56 Manit0u wrote:
I agree with Godwrath here. 40K/WFB have really cool universe, but as a game they suck. The best games in this universe are definitely Battlefleet Gothic (40K) and Mordheim (WFB). They don't cost so much, the rules are decent enough and the fun from playing them is immeasurably higher than regular 40K/WFB.
Now, all is cool and dandy until you do what Godwrath suggested - try out other systems (Warmahordes/Infinity/Malifaux for example). You simply can't go back to playing your Warhammer after that as you begin to see how much better the rules and playstyle could be, how much better models can be, how much more balanced it can be, how much cheaper it can be and, finally, how much more fun it can be.
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I simply cannot 2nd this enough. And 99% of the "GW Haters" aren't haters at all, but in fact love 40k (I STILL have my Orks!), but just hate what GW has done to their game and tried something else and just enjoyed it so much more. Seriously before you really invest into the game, try a couple of them, Warma/Hordes is a fucking GREAT game.
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Eh... I've played a couple intro games to Warmahordes and Infinity. I don't like the small scale games, and 40k has never felt unfun to me. So... I don't really know where the hate is coming from. Warmahordes in particular felt dull because it seemed to be all about zerging the summoner/caster/whatever the HQ type dude is called. I mean, losing your HQ in 40k sucks, but it can be a calculated risk an you can still easily win without it.
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On August 20 2014 01:50 Requizen wrote:
Eh... I've played a couple intro games to Warmahordes and Infinity. I don't like the small scale games, and 40k has never felt unfun to me. So... I don't really know where the hate is coming from. Warmahordes in particular felt dull because it seemed to be all about zerging the summoner/caster/whatever the HQ type dude is called. I mean, losing your HQ in 40k sucks, but it can be a calculated risk an you can still easily win without it.
You need to play scenarios in WMH then. Very few games are actually about zerging the Warcraster/Warlock.
People's hate for 40k comes the terrible rules that ruin a great setting and the horrible pricing.
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What about the rules are terrible? I can't say I've ever felt that any of the rules were bad. I like the way the game flows, and aside from a couple game-y units/combos (which you find in nearly any game under the sun), nothing is so imbalanced that it feels unfun to play as or against.
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iNcontroL
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On August 15 2014 21:25 Arisen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 09:21 iNcontroL wrote:
HEY!
I am a competitive WH40k player who has been collecting them since I was 12 (16 years now).
First of all.. ignore the haters. GW is a funny business in that they equally rope in and make sweet passionate love to their user base but they also create bitter whiney people that constantly threaten to "leave" and play other games. 40k can be life changing cool and good for you OR it can be another game.. ultimately people telling you "this one is boring" or "it's got bad rules" are the kind of people you should ignore.. go to a shop, watch a game, check out bat reps on youtube or read up on it.. this game has a RICH tradition in awesomeness and if you don't believe me read into it but don't listen to the haters.. they are everywhere.
Some questions I saw:
1. Is it expensive? YES! It certainly is out of the box and ordered online. Can you do it cheaper? YES! Craigslist, ebay, local connections, facebook groups etc.. or if you are super creative you can mod things and use models from other games (within reason).
2. Is it fun? Find out for yourself but my extremely biased opinion is that it is one of the coolest and most fun things you can do. It is also a social game by nature.. I've strengthened friendships, made new ones and obtained some of my absolute best friends in life through this game.
3. Elite armies OP? I play Nids. Generally considered a upper mid tier army in competition (I Play in the biggest tourneys outside of ETC there is!) and I can tell you that while I LOVE winning my love for the bugs is greater and even with them not being Eldar, Tau, Necrons or Space Marines I still am ranked #2 in the ITC (simply put: ranking for all the best players in the USA around the west coast). Some armies are way better than others but for the MOST part all of them CAN win even in the most competitive scenes.. just fewer options on how they do that etc.
If you have more questions fire away. I tweet about WH40k and I am apart of team0comp which is one of/the best team on the west coast
Sweet. Cool to get a response from iNcontroL. As a new player, if I choose to play Tyranids, are there any types of armies/units I should be avoiding? I wouldn't want to just copy a competitive list and start with that because there's a good chance I won't know enough about the game to play that army the way I should. I've heard in a few youtube videos I've watched that Tyranids can be pretty punishing to newer players especially because you don't know how to position yourself. I've been trying to find VLOGs etc for awhile, but it's hard to tell who is just whining (no, MY race is harder) or if that really is true, and what I can do about it. As a competitive player, what would you say is a good place point wise to start playing at to learn the game? In a game like WH40k i have to imagine it's hard for every army to be relevant at any point value range; as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, if you're playing at 500 points you can't really field a lot of big bugs, etc. On a related note, is there a good community site for WH40k? I'm finding it's hard to find a lot of information about warhammer if you don't know where to look. It would be nice to be able look for good lists for beginners and talk strategy/read articles. Thanks for everyone who gave me feedback! I hope a few people got some good use out of this thread and not just me!
Community site: www.belloflostsouls.com is OK but for advice on lists/tactics check out www.frontlinegaming.org there is also dakkadakka which is a friendlier version of bells in a lot of ways.
As for Tyranids units to avoid you won't see a pyrovore used outside of a fluff game.. but they are bad so just don't waste the money. Genestealers are unfortunately super awesome/iconic but not very good in the game itself. I myself actually run 5 but they are wound bitches for the broodlord who is basically a gimmick to hide the Warlord and not give up that point.. this is all a long winded way of saying hold off on them for now.
key units to get are going to be 2x Hive Tyrants (if you want to be competitive put wings on them), 1-2 Venomthropes. The cool thing is after that for the most part you will see almost everything out of Tyranids. Nidzilla is still a thing with minimal troops (rippers or tervigon + termies) or you can see LOTS of gibblies (1-2 tervigons, tons of termies etc) and you are seeing formations as well (skyblight / living artillery / bio blast being the most common). Lastly, if your local meta allows forgeworld there is no cooler model for the Nids than the dimachaeron and nothing beats the Malanthrope right now in functionality.
To the guys trying to explain their disdain for the business / game of WH40k I read your comments but Godsomething (spanish poster) I have a really tough time taking your post serious after I explain I've played this game for 16 years and I play at a competitive level (traveling the country) yet you explain "once I play other games I won't ever come back." That is like telling a SC2 player once he goes and plays C&C he will never come back. I've played other games. My friends that I play with 2-3 times a week ALL play the other games. Give me the benefit of the doubt that I have SOME CLUE about the other games lol. Despite that, you are wrong! I still find WH40k vastly superior. Unfortunately (perhaps) for you.. the opinion that GW is the devil and this game is broken and bad is not limited to you. There are TONS of people with that same opinion and hilariously enough like you they find their way to threads/forums that literally have WH40K in the title JUST to bitch about how they don't like that game (like you did) and try to direct them to another game because it is SO MUCH BETTER. This is really common practice on all the forums I just mentioned and it is completely bland and boring. Yeah yeah.. you really LOVE WH40k but you just hate how GW conducts business .. OK! Cool story bro..
Sorry to be pretty blunt but it's funny because I am guessing you don't span the WH40k boards.. or at least I hope you don't. But this act is really common and super annoying for those of us that are having an amazing time with this game and play it at a higher level than you and find that while YES the game is expensive as shit (overpriced!) and a LOT of it's rules are terribad this game remains the absolute most common game across the world, has the coolest fluff, some of / most of the most gorgeous models and has a fantastic competitive scene. I fucking love this game so everytime I see someone saying "Hey I am interested! I'd like to know X, Y, Z about WH40k" and I see that same clown in there going "NO! THIS GAME SUCKS PLAY ANOTHER!" I can't help but laugh.
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Dude, i had been playing competitively, travelling, and playing the best players on europe basically the whole 5th edition of this game (you know, one that didn't end in two fucking years because of how horrible it was). But let's measure dicks just because. You had been a competitive player for how long ? What are your placings ? Had been to the ETC ? I am 29 years old, and started playing at 12, so you do the math too.
What's funny is reading somebody who is actually a nobody competitively speaking at 40k trying to downtalk others. If that's the only kind of argument you have got, i guess the discussion is pretty much over, because everything you say is just "because this game is so much better".
Keep on your GW's happy bubble, it is going to burst soon enough tho.
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iNcontroL
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holy shit lol. "A nobody" wtf? You have no fucking idea what I've done in WH40k and I am 28 years old and have been playing since I was 12 as well bro.. calm the fuck down.
I know the words sting. I know it sucks being told you are a clown.. but lets face facts. This guy asked about WH40k and choosing an army. YOU came in here to tell him the game sucks.
Now fuck off and take your butt hurt ego over a game you are upset with and shut the fuck up.
Being off topic in a thread AND a butt hurt nobody that wants to try and tear others down and "measure dicks" in a game where the best accomplishment you list is "playing in ETC and playing 'the best EU player'" OK BRO! LOL NICE JOB! Now go away!
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Ah, good to know that the eternal "my game is better than yours" isn't exclusive to eSports titles.
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iNcontroL
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also if you do reply (please don't, you are really off topic and just bitching at me) I am a bit annoyed that you basically got really mad at a single fucking line in my 2 paragraphs where I make the assumption I play at a higher level than you. I don't need to be correct there for the REST of my post to be on point. lets assume you aer 10x the player I am. Lets assume you have a rich history of winning.. read the rest of my post.. and argue that. I don't care who the fuck is better. I DO care about your horrible attitude and you going out of your way to be off topic and try and stir shit.
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I don't think it really matters how long you've been playing or what your tournament placings are. If the OP came in to ask how to buy a WH40k army, I don't think "don't because you're wrong play this instead" is a good answer.
Imagine the kind of shitstorm that you'd get if you went to LiquidDota and responded to all threads with "Just play LoL or Smite instead".
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iNcontroL
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On August 20 2014 03:07 UmberBane wrote:
Ah, good to know that the eternal "my game is better than yours" isn't exclusive to eSports titles.
Gaming =/= gaming man. This always happens >_< In fact in my experience I have seen MORE whining (not that that is quantifiable) in WH40k/table top games
I tried to be careful to say that WH40k is a great game not that it is necessarily better than the rest. I haven't read my previous posts but I think I was careful to say that TO ME it is better but that you should play all games and not let people tell you they suck etc.
If I didn't I'd amend my comments to that. Warmachine, Dropzone and a few others in particular are very good. For me, WH40k is the best and I'm always excited to talk about it That is why I came here.. saw the thread title and wanted to discuss WH40k!
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iNcontroL
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On August 20 2014 03:12 Requizen wrote:
I don't think it really matters how long you've been playing or what your tournament placings are. If the OP came in to ask how to buy a WH40k army, I don't think "don't because you're wrong play this instead" is a good answer.
Imagine the kind of shitstorm that you'd get if you went to LiquidDota and responded to all threads with "Just play LoL or Smite instead".
Exactly this <3
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Hey I can give you my 2 cents on warhammer.
First and foremost the 'best' online community for warhammer related stuff: The warhammer forum. It's been a while since I was active there but they always seemed the most sensible/knowledgeable about rule issues ( ex. they organize the EuropeanTeamChampion with their own ruleset).
Buying from GW is expensive, second-hand models will give you a sizable army for a cheaper price. This does mean investing some time in browsing fora marketplaces, and probably having to buy a whole army at once.
If you know people that play already you can ask them to set up a small balanced match up. (remind them to make sure they pick army lists that work against each-other, no one enjoys a stompfest.
Ps. Warhammer is sometimes really really broken, but complaining about the broken stuff & your bad luck is half the fun for me :D
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I've always liked the hobby and painting aspect behind the game, as well as the awesome lore. I've been considering picking up the game again and learning how to airbrush. I've only ever played a couple games so I'm choosing on painting/lore. I had a Black Templar army back in the day, which was pretty bland to paint. My top picks right now are Eldar, Chaos Space Marines, and Mech Imperial Guard.
IG - I've seen some absolutely awesome dirty/gritty looking IG armies and am a big fan of the DKoK models. Draw back for me would be that this would be an expensive army to field and a lot of models to paint.
Chaos - I used to have a link to a photobucket account of a guy who made 80% of his nurgle minis out of green stuff, I was absolutely obsessed with how cool they were. Unfortunately I lost it. But that was a huge inspiration. I wouldn't mind starting a vanilla army either, the models just look so cool. CSM would be a cheaper army to field.
Eldar - I really like all of the models for Eldar and the variety. This would be a great army to test out an airbrush on IMO. The new Dark Eldar models are also just fantastic and I like their lore.
I can't contribute a whole lot to the discussion here, but if you're looking for a good community site Warseer.org is great. I mostly visit for the painting sections - there are some great armies posted.
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On August 20 2014 02:55 Godwrath wrote:
Keep on your GW's happy bubble, it is going to burst soon enough tho.
Wow. So I'm pretty sure outright bashing the competition in a topic that's gonna draw fans of said competition isn't the BEST way to gain support. You're not really doing anything for your case and you seem the be the only reason this thread is turning hostile.
That said, to iNcontroL, I came into this thread initially looking to restart 40k after a really long hiatus (because it does a LOT of things right, even if GW seems not to anymore), but after seeing pricing models and reading several opinions on the current state of the rules, I had doubts about starting. That's the first time I really looked outside of GW for a miniatures game and I've found one that I really like the look of in Infinity (though I admit, I will miss the large-scale battles of WH).
So when it comes to "don't talk about other games in a 40k thread," especially when Arisen was voicing concerns with pricing of certain armies (Nids are one of the more expensive armies, correct?), I think it's reasonable to suggest the other players in the market. Just not with Godwrath's... enthusiasm...
Directly on-topic: Dark Eldar, Tyranids, Necrons. Boom. Done.
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On August 20 2014 04:18 chasemme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 02:55 Godwrath wrote:
Keep on your GW's happy bubble, it is going to burst soon enough tho. Wow. So I'm pretty sure outright bashing the competition in a topic that's gonna draw fans of said competition isn't the BEST way to gain support. You're not really doing anything for your case and you seem the be the only reason this thread is turning hostile. That said, to iNcontroL, I came into this thread initially looking to restart 40k after a really long hiatus (because it does a LOT of things right, even if GW seems not to anymore), but after seeing pricing models and reading several opinions on the current state of the rules, I had doubts about starting. That's the first time I really looked outside of GW for a miniatures game and I've found one that I really like the look of in Infinity (though I admit, I will miss the large-scale battles of WH). So when it comes to "don't talk about other games in a 40k thread," especially when Arisen was voicing concerns with pricing of certain armies (Nids are one of the more expensive armies, correct?), I think it's reasonable to suggest the other players in the market. Just not with Godwrath's... enthusiasm... Directly on-topic: Dark Eldar, Tyranids, Necrons. Boom. Done.
It's not about not talking about other games. Making comparisons is one thing, going into a topic and basically yelling at people to stop talking about the thing you don't like and start talking about the thing you do like is just kinda.... yeah.
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iNcontroL
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Exactly!
I am never going to tell you WH40k / GW is perfect.. far from it. But literally going into a thread like this to direct people AWAY from the game and tell them it is bad is not how a forum should operate. If the thread title was "Pros and Cons of WH40k" or "What games like 40k should I play?" etc.. then SURE.
As you yourself said I agree: making comparisons and finding the 40k ones lacking is completely fine and makes for a good conversation. telling others what they cannot enjoy is.. less so, by a lot.
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Back when i was in high school i began a Tyranid army. Loved the idea of a swarming alien army with also some huge monsters almost invincible in 1v1 !
I really like this game but lack of time/money/courage made me stopped.
But i'm still into the w40k universe as i'm reading the horus heresy novels which are truly awesome (some are in my top 20 alongside lotr, fondation, and wheel of time !)
More on the topic i think it is wise to take into account some things before choosing an army :
- races that are attractive to you plot-wise
- races that may fit to your intended playstyle (i personnaly feel more like an orc than a tau when it comes to take a fight)
- size of your first army : money to invest / time for painting / more money to re-buy what you first paint so bad, etc ...
- where and with whom do you intend to play ? if most of your friends have SPM or ImpGu armies, it might be a great idea to take SPMC or Orcs as it would lead to epic-for-mankind-battles.
Anyways, have (lots of) fun !
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