EPTOn June 03 2017 22:56 Godwrath wrote:
I saw the leak on youtube. Weirdly i thought there were more than 8 pages, my bad. But it's true that the main phases rules never really bloated the rulebook, it always was special rules and vehicles for the most part, and since those are on the datasheets or don't exist anymore, it is much shorter.
@Manitaou that's the problem for bigger than skirmish wargames. Malifaux or infinity aren't cheap, but since its starting point is about half of a regular match, and that you can get meaningful choices and rules interactions from the get go since there are no "units", a starter box suffice to get a good feeling of the game and have meaningful games.
They are meant to be played at certain point levels that are far away from a start budget range. I agree that it didn't help that they doubled the amount of models required to play from 2th to 3th edition and continued to do increase it afterwards, but it's kind of the problem of the genre, rather than GW's fault alone (well, they should do a budget model range imo with less quality but more quantity akin to mantic games). I remember when i started on 2th edition, i bought a box with 30 marines for what would be 30€ today. That, and a few blisters and i had something actually interesting to play with. Now ? Good luck with 40-50€ going into warhammer.
I saw the leak on youtube. Weirdly i thought there were more than 8 pages, my bad. But it's true that the main phases rules never really bloated the rulebook, it always was special rules and vehicles for the most part, and since those are on the datasheets or don't exist anymore, it is much shorter.
@Manitaou that's the problem for bigger than skirmish wargames. Malifaux or infinity aren't cheap, but since its starting point is about half of a regular match, and that you can get meaningful choices and rules interactions from the get go since there are no "units", a starter box suffice to get a good feeling of the game and have meaningful games.
They are meant to be played at certain point levels that are far away from a start budget range. I agree that it didn't help that they doubled the amount of models required to play from 2th to 3th edition and continued to do increase it afterwards, but it's kind of the problem of the genre, rather than GW's fault alone (well, they should do a budget model range imo with less quality but more quantity akin to mantic games). I remember when i started on 2th edition, i bought a box with 30 marines for what would be 30€ today. That, and a few blisters and i had something actually interesting to play with. Now ? Good luck with 40-50€ going into warhammer.
I agree. The thing is however, they should not do full-blown war games in 28/32mm scale without having cheap enough miniatures. I know it might not be a valid point for someone who's been collecting for years and has plenty of stuff now, the problem it poses for new players is quite significant.
I would totally play WH/40K wargames with decent rules in 10/15mm range or smaller (think Warmaster and Epic).
That was something:
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Also, just for the laughs:
http://blackmoors40k.blogspot.com/2011/12/helpful-hints-to-become-waac-player.html
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