EPT[wow] Warlords of Draenor - Page 470
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bo1b
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Noocta
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Gorsameth
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On April 10 2015 00:19 Gorsameth wrote: I see no reason why the US and EU prices should vary wildly. If anything it will increase supply during the first day because of people wanting to cash in before the crash. Well knowing Blizzard the EU wow token will cost more in comparison to the US wow token to buy with real money meaning the gold price will also be much higher. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
On April 10 2015 00:19 Gorsameth wrote: I see no reason why the US and EU prices should vary wildly. If anything it will increase supply during the first day because of people wanting to cash in before the crash. Which would make it crash way harder :D | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On April 10 2015 00:04 Noocta wrote: I fear Europe isn't gonna get that price dive like US had. I want 21k tokens It's extremely likely you'll actually see an even greater price dive. If you look at wowtoken.info the price started dropping once people started getting home from work/school. The price initially dipped a bit at 5 PM EDT, before beginning freefall at 7 PM EDT. It's clear that during this period a lot of tokens were being bought. It wasn't until last night that the value began to rebound, but not before dipping as low as 20,350g. However, there have been consistent reports from players that it's almost completely impossible to buy any tokens, there simply aren't people selling them. This indicates that the price dropped well below what the vast majority of prospective sellers consider reasonable. When you put these facts together it becomes clear that players rushing to sell tokens when they got home created a vast reserve, causing the initial price plummet and carrying it all the way down to 21k, well past what they'd actually be willing to sell the tokens for. Now that the supply is gone and isn't being adequately restocked the price is bouncing back. These factors are only going to be exacerbated when tokens reach EU servers. EU players looking to sell tokens will rush doubly hard to lock in the higher price after seeing how quickly the price plummeted in the US. Meanwhile, EU players looking to buy will hold out for the lower price. As a result there will likely be an even greater excess of supply couple with less initial demand. Basically you're essentially guaranteed a sharp price drop. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
There was a time period where it was still dropping (too high supply) but started to drop slower. That's the time to grab your tokens. | ||
Teoita
Italy12248 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Maybe the WoW system overcompensates for huge supply - if everyone lists at 30k, it might think "supply is higher than demand, drop price!" and drop to 25k even if nobody lists them for less than 28k. I'm not sure what they've done here. The EVE market system is nice, you just have a huge list with buy orders and sell orders plus a tax of ~5% which creates a gap between them. Also contracts and direct trades with zero tax. The blizzard system is kinda player-friendly - but it makes me worry a lot more they could be rigging the system very easily and nobody would know. There's rumor of Wildstar developers seeding tokens onto their auction house to essentially allow for free to play. There are other incentives for fuckery with token price, too. | ||
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ViperPL
Poland1775 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
That seems to be a constant theme. I wouldn't consider raiding with less than ~13, but the guys running 25 seem to have it easier. Not only do they have the scaling advantage, but you have a strong resilience to losing large fractions of your raid team for no reason as long as people have offspecs. The transition from heroic to mythic is rather harsh and i don't think i'l be looking for a guild progressing into mythic in the near future. Clearing everything eventually on HC with some expeditions to the easier mythic bosses sounds like fun though | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
it looks like the adjustment rate could be too slow and that might cause oscillation as the price being higher than market balance creates a surge of people selling and then lower than market balance creates a surge of people buying | ||
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Teoita
Italy12248 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
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Mysticesper
United States1183 Posts
On April 10 2015 15:01 Cyro wrote: gz :D That seems to be a constant theme. I wouldn't consider raiding with less than ~13, but the guys running 25 seem to have it easier. Not only do they have the scaling advantage, but you have a strong resilience to losing large fractions of your raid team for no reason as long as people have offspecs. The transition from heroic to mythic is rather harsh and i don't think i'l be looking for a guild progressing into mythic in the near future. Clearing everything eventually on HC with some expeditions to the easier mythic bosses sounds like fun though We run between 16 and 22 for the most part, depends on who shows up. Works quite well. Slightly over 20 is great cause of the chance for 3 tier items, which is a definite bonus. But yeah, lots more room for error in a 10 man, since 1 person is 10% of your raid dead, and more than likely 20% of your DPS if you run 2 tanks, 3 healers, 5 dps, and not really increasing to a fourth healer until ~15 people. | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
I was doing heroic kromog last night and if anyone died we had to battle rez them or we would run out of steam somewhere below 30%. We eventually killed him with 11 instead of 10, but even then both our tanks died at the end around 5% and 2% but at that point we just dpsed him down to 0% before he killed everyone. Week before last we did it on saturday and we had 17 people and we one shot him without any issue at all. I think the lower amount just magnifies the issue of if someone is not pulling their weight properly. You have to have a really clean 10 man to accomplish what a 15 man can do who may only have 12-13 good people and 2-3 people slightly under par. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Does anyone feel disappointment in the current loot system? Unless warforged drops which is rare enough most bosses really don't give loot or anything worth while. We have people who don't want to do the first 6 mythic bosses because no one needs loot from them. At least with the valor system you got something from farm bosses while these days you just wait with 10 seals in your bag because you're stuck with progression And yeah Flex is pretty broken in terms of scaling its kind of a huge flaw | ||
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nikj
Canada669 Posts
On April 11 2015 10:42 Drazerk wrote: so for those in mythic guilds / heroic guilds that can't progress to mythic - Does anyone feel disappointment in the current loot system? Unless warforged drops which is rare enough most bosses really don't give loot or anything worth while. We have people who don't want to do the first 6 mythic bosses because no one needs loot from them. At least with the valor system you got something from farm bosses while these days you just wait with 10 seals in your bag because you're stuck with progression And yeah Flex is pretty broken in terms of scaling its kind of a huge flaw Yea I've been stuck in guilds with <15 people so mythic isn't an option for me yet. I was pretty much geared out of Heroic BRF in the first month, now just waiting for the rest of my tier or maybe a lucky warforged drop. I feel like it would be nice if they would open up cross realm mythic, because I'm running out of reasons to do Heroic every week, and minus a server transfer likely won't see mythic any time soon. I guess eventually I'll be all decked out in gear from caches but it feels kind of lame. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
On April 11 2015 06:51 Teoita wrote: Eh lots of fluctuations are to be expected early on On April 11 2015 07:04 Cyro wrote: Yea, but it's only swinging up or down for like 10 hours straight, never up then down then up again Looks to be ~23k stable enough~ 31.6k to 20.4k took a ~26 hour downward swing (with fast adjustment time? or just really hard crash, hard to say) 20.4k to 27k was 28 hours going up (more steadily) 27k to 21.4k was only 23 hours they're taking longer to sell when the price is getting towards 25k I noticed earlier (yesterday?) that blizzard is actually charging some very high GBP to euro exchange rates. For example, WoW costs £10 but 15 euros. The mid-market rate listed on xe.com/ucc is 1.38, but it peaked at ~1.42 | ||
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Cyro
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