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Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
August 21 2014 15:29 GMT
#2761
Had an entire guild break up because I gave a resto druid a healing mace from festergut (maybe it was rotface?). People haaaaaaated resto druids in wrath and always complained that this dude had it easier than the other healers and therefore shouldn't get loot. Da fuck man. Good times....
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 21 2014 15:36 GMT
#2762
On August 21 2014 22:30 Serejai wrote:
As simple as it sounds to spam one button, it actually required more skill than current Resto Druid. It was like a juggling act, essentially. A bad druid would keep up 3-4 players at a time while a good druid could manage an entire raid. I definitely don't miss having to stare at health bars 100% of the time, though. While spamming Rejuv was fun it was also tedious and there are so many fights in WoTLK that I couldn't even tell you what went on, or what the boss looked like, because I was too busy locked to my raid frames.

I'm pretty certain that near everything took more skill in wrath, except demo
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
August 21 2014 15:37 GMT
#2763
Panda, After reading your posts do you think i should go back to fire spec after losing all of my aoe spells and bombs ?

Only thing why i "respeced" frost was because i couldn't do some dungeons without the elem (like tempest dungeon. Kael Thas was impossible with my ilvel with fire but while i was stunned the elem would take down one of the other mobs) and you have mass proc in frost spec.

Also, i can't copy my character from EU do we know when they'll enable the feature for us ?
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Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
August 21 2014 15:43 GMT
#2764
On August 22 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2014 22:30 Serejai wrote:
As simple as it sounds to spam one button, it actually required more skill than current Resto Druid. It was like a juggling act, essentially. A bad druid would keep up 3-4 players at a time while a good druid could manage an entire raid. I definitely don't miss having to stare at health bars 100% of the time, though. While spamming Rejuv was fun it was also tedious and there are so many fights in WoTLK that I couldn't even tell you what went on, or what the boss looked like, because I was too busy locked to my raid frames.

I'm pretty certain that near everything took more skill in wrath, except demo


Easiest raiding ever was TBC Hunter, though. I remember this guy asked me to play his Hunter in a raid one night. I told him I had never played a Hunter before and didn't know what I was doing. He copy/pasted me some macro, told me to make a button, and just spam it. Worked like a charm.
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 21 2014 15:46 GMT
#2765
On August 22 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2014 22:30 Serejai wrote:
As simple as it sounds to spam one button, it actually required more skill than current Resto Druid. It was like a juggling act, essentially. A bad druid would keep up 3-4 players at a time while a good druid could manage an entire raid. I definitely don't miss having to stare at health bars 100% of the time, though. While spamming Rejuv was fun it was also tedious and there are so many fights in WoTLK that I couldn't even tell you what went on, or what the boss looked like, because I was too busy locked to my raid frames.

I'm pretty certain that near everything took more skill in wrath, except demo

This statement amuses me considering that during Wrath, everyone complained about how easy things were compared to Vanilla/BC
It's your boy Guzma!
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 21 2014 15:55 GMT
#2766
On August 22 2014 00:46 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:
On August 21 2014 22:30 Serejai wrote:
As simple as it sounds to spam one button, it actually required more skill than current Resto Druid. It was like a juggling act, essentially. A bad druid would keep up 3-4 players at a time while a good druid could manage an entire raid. I definitely don't miss having to stare at health bars 100% of the time, though. While spamming Rejuv was fun it was also tedious and there are so many fights in WoTLK that I couldn't even tell you what went on, or what the boss looked like, because I was too busy locked to my raid frames.

I'm pretty certain that near everything took more skill in wrath, except demo

This statement amuses me considering that during Wrath, everyone complained about how easy things were compared to Vanilla/BC

Having done that too, those people are full of shit.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
August 21 2014 16:00 GMT
#2767
Easiest spec ever is probably 0/21/40 warlocks in TBC tbh. Just sit there, spam shadowbolts and let shadow priests and shamans boost your dps to fucking stupid levels.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 21 2014 16:01 GMT
#2768
On August 22 2014 01:00 Teoita wrote:
Easiest spec ever is probably 0/21/40 warlocks in TBC tbh. Just sit there, spam shadowbolts and let shadow priests and shamans boost your dps to fucking stupid levels.

I think frost dks are just as difficult
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-21 16:06:01
August 21 2014 16:04 GMT
#2769
Frost dk's use like 5-6 buttons. Destro locks literally only used shadowbolt and curse of doom, and their dps came from stacking other classes.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
August 21 2014 16:06 GMT
#2770
The hardest part of Vanilla/BC was logistics. Keeping track of 20-40 people, keeping the proper raid balance between those people, making sure they are all "happy" and geared, and making sure they're all at least half competent, that's what made it all hard. WotLK fixed that problem, and then ramped up DPS complexity and fight complexity (with heroic raids). Now they've further reduced logistic complexity, but I don't play enough to know how they've changed class complexity. Classes seem so much harder now to grasp, but I'm not playing ~40 hours a week either...
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 21 2014 16:09 GMT
#2771
Class mechanics are a facade at the moment, there's a lot of buttons, and a bit of thought that needs to go into it, but there's also a solution to literally everything now, plus cooldowns to boot.

Rather like modern raids tbh, a lot of mechanics, but pre blackfuse most are almost ignorable.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 21 2014 16:10 GMT
#2772
On August 22 2014 01:04 Teoita wrote:
Frost dk's use like 5-6 buttons. Destro locks literally only used shadowbolt and curse of doom, and their dps came from stacking other classes.

Yeh it was pretty filthy
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 21 2014 16:10 GMT
#2773
So yeah I got to 90 and my friends told me to go to Timeless Isle.

Walked out a couple hours later with like 9 epics, this seems really fucking stupid.
It's your boy Guzma!
OceanLab
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France505 Posts
August 21 2014 16:12 GMT
#2774
I'm always sooo tempted to come back to this game, and WoD seems like a great addon... I assume it isnt worth coming back to the game before it comes out right?
Also, I intend to play my warrior, tank or arms. How are these specs looking in beta? I tried reading through mmo champion but theres way too much there, what are the major changes?
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 21 2014 16:15 GMT
#2775
It depends on what you want to do before release. If you don't have any 90 characters, now's a good time to get there before the expansion hits, partially because the leveling process is easier and partially because buying WoD now gives you the ability to boost a single character to 90.
It's your boy Guzma!
OceanLab
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France505 Posts
August 21 2014 16:17 GMT
#2776
Well I have a couple 90s already... I will definitely preorder WoD in order to get that free 90, still dont know what to use it on though, I have a war and a priest, I guess I could use a mage or lock or sthg... I'll see.
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
August 21 2014 16:17 GMT
#2777
The idea of "epic" has changed. They aren't good gear anymore, just max level gear. Timeless gear is absolutely terrible compared to even LFR gear.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
August 21 2014 16:20 GMT
#2778
On August 22 2014 01:10 Requizen wrote:
So yeah I got to 90 and my friends told me to go to Timeless Isle.

Walked out a couple hours later with like 9 epics, this seems really fucking stupid.


Lol, I thought the same thing. I made a brand new account and once I hit 90 in ilvl ~400 it took me all of about six hours to get to 520 ilvl.
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 21 2014 16:22 GMT
#2779
I cleared the first 9 bosses of soo with a group of guildies on our alts at ~520 ilvl. You could probably get to 550 in 2 weeks if you bought the boes and did flex + those bosses + lfr.

Games dumb atm.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
August 21 2014 16:28 GMT
#2780
On August 21 2014 17:45 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2014 07:53 Qaatar wrote:
On August 21 2014 03:38 FFW_Rude wrote:
On August 21 2014 03:13 Teoita wrote:
Eh mages arent really losing much tbh. Mostly they are consolidating the aoe spells (which imo is a good change), and changing slightly the rotation with the bombs and new talents. From what i've heard unstable magic will be tuned to be worse than the other choices in that tier, and the lvl 90 tier was always goddamn stupid so i'm happy they are changing that one.


Well... To me i'm losing much as frost.
- Bombs doesn't exist anymore
- Arcane explosion doesn't exist anymore
- I just have one armor and it's passive
- I have only one aoe spell that i can't cast while running
- The "frosting spell" somehing like frost mouth in english isn't there anymore
- flameshock is gone

Oh and evocation is gone

For someone that plays alone like me it's a setback

Maybe i don't play like i should but what i use a lot know is arcane explosion, firebomb. I use frostmouth a lot too

I'll try to respec arcane see if it's suiting me better

i'm sure i'll like it in a few month though. When i forgot that those spells existed


Incanter's Flow, if used optimally, has a much higher skill-cap than pressing one button every minute (the annoying bullshit that was Invocation). Bombs still exist, but yes, Mages can no longer multi-dot.

Overall, I'd say the complexity for Mage is roughly the same, because 3 different AoE spells isn't what made Mage gameplay complex in the first place. We also never switched armors unless we played arena or switched specs (there was some talk about Fire pulling in mage armor, then PoM swapping to molten, but that was debunked pretty fast). The third tier spells were almost never used outside of RoF in arenas...I think Frostjaw was used occasionally, depending on the strat, for adds on Paragons, but that's it. Maybe some top tier Mages in 3v3 used Frostjaw to counter some melee cleaves in high-end arena, but that's irrelevant to most of us.

The one HUGE difference is Alter Time. I know many well-known Mages, like the aforementioned Akraen, petitioned to keep it in the current state, but alas, they cut it. Most of us feel like it's the highest skill-cap spell Mages have, so that was rather disappointing.

In other words, they actually did cut out a lot of irrelevant shit for Mages, and outside of Alter and lack of multi-dotting, Mages are in a better spot imo.

Talent choices again seem pretty straight forward at the moment but i still haven't gotten enough data nor has anyone else yet i would assume to see what is going to be the go to talent choice as of now.
One thing both specs always get though is Mirror Image.


I highly doubt Blizzard will tune Mirror Image to be better than optimal usage of Incanter's/RoP. The one aspect that I still have faith in is Blizzard's ability to reasonably balance active effects that require player attention versus passive 'fire-and-forget' effects. In this case, I see optimal usage of Incanter's as maybe the last bastion of significant differentiation between good PvE Mages and decent ones.

Also, the WoD version of Alter Time is hilariously bad. Ice Barrier is literally better in almost every way. Alter needs a significant revamp, or just cut it entirely and bring back Temp Shield.
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