• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 12:33
CET 18:33
KST 02:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT28Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0244LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2
StarCraft 2
General
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles
Tourneys
The Dave Testa Open #11 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare Mutation # 512 Overclocked
Brood War
General
ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ CasterMuse Youtube TvZ is the most complete match up A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [LIVE] [S:21] ASL Season Open Day 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread New broswer game : STG-World
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Mexico's Drug War Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here!
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1167 users

[wow] Warlords of Draenor - Page 139

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 137 138 139 140 141 591 Next
Add yourself to the player list
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
August 21 2014 15:29 GMT
#2761
Had an entire guild break up because I gave a resto druid a healing mace from festergut (maybe it was rotface?). People haaaaaaated resto druids in wrath and always complained that this dude had it easier than the other healers and therefore shouldn't get loot. Da fuck man. Good times....
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 21 2014 15:36 GMT
#2762
On August 21 2014 22:30 Serejai wrote:
As simple as it sounds to spam one button, it actually required more skill than current Resto Druid. It was like a juggling act, essentially. A bad druid would keep up 3-4 players at a time while a good druid could manage an entire raid. I definitely don't miss having to stare at health bars 100% of the time, though. While spamming Rejuv was fun it was also tedious and there are so many fights in WoTLK that I couldn't even tell you what went on, or what the boss looked like, because I was too busy locked to my raid frames.

I'm pretty certain that near everything took more skill in wrath, except demo
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
August 21 2014 15:37 GMT
#2763
Panda, After reading your posts do you think i should go back to fire spec after losing all of my aoe spells and bombs ?

Only thing why i "respeced" frost was because i couldn't do some dungeons without the elem (like tempest dungeon. Kael Thas was impossible with my ilvel with fire but while i was stunned the elem would take down one of the other mobs) and you have mass proc in frost spec.

Also, i can't copy my character from EU do we know when they'll enable the feature for us ?
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
August 21 2014 15:43 GMT
#2764
On August 22 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2014 22:30 Serejai wrote:
As simple as it sounds to spam one button, it actually required more skill than current Resto Druid. It was like a juggling act, essentially. A bad druid would keep up 3-4 players at a time while a good druid could manage an entire raid. I definitely don't miss having to stare at health bars 100% of the time, though. While spamming Rejuv was fun it was also tedious and there are so many fights in WoTLK that I couldn't even tell you what went on, or what the boss looked like, because I was too busy locked to my raid frames.

I'm pretty certain that near everything took more skill in wrath, except demo


Easiest raiding ever was TBC Hunter, though. I remember this guy asked me to play his Hunter in a raid one night. I told him I had never played a Hunter before and didn't know what I was doing. He copy/pasted me some macro, told me to make a button, and just spam it. Worked like a charm.
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 21 2014 15:46 GMT
#2765
On August 22 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2014 22:30 Serejai wrote:
As simple as it sounds to spam one button, it actually required more skill than current Resto Druid. It was like a juggling act, essentially. A bad druid would keep up 3-4 players at a time while a good druid could manage an entire raid. I definitely don't miss having to stare at health bars 100% of the time, though. While spamming Rejuv was fun it was also tedious and there are so many fights in WoTLK that I couldn't even tell you what went on, or what the boss looked like, because I was too busy locked to my raid frames.

I'm pretty certain that near everything took more skill in wrath, except demo

This statement amuses me considering that during Wrath, everyone complained about how easy things were compared to Vanilla/BC
It's your boy Guzma!
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 21 2014 15:55 GMT
#2766
On August 22 2014 00:46 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 00:36 bo1b wrote:
On August 21 2014 22:30 Serejai wrote:
As simple as it sounds to spam one button, it actually required more skill than current Resto Druid. It was like a juggling act, essentially. A bad druid would keep up 3-4 players at a time while a good druid could manage an entire raid. I definitely don't miss having to stare at health bars 100% of the time, though. While spamming Rejuv was fun it was also tedious and there are so many fights in WoTLK that I couldn't even tell you what went on, or what the boss looked like, because I was too busy locked to my raid frames.

I'm pretty certain that near everything took more skill in wrath, except demo

This statement amuses me considering that during Wrath, everyone complained about how easy things were compared to Vanilla/BC

Having done that too, those people are full of shit.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
August 21 2014 16:00 GMT
#2767
Easiest spec ever is probably 0/21/40 warlocks in TBC tbh. Just sit there, spam shadowbolts and let shadow priests and shamans boost your dps to fucking stupid levels.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 21 2014 16:01 GMT
#2768
On August 22 2014 01:00 Teoita wrote:
Easiest spec ever is probably 0/21/40 warlocks in TBC tbh. Just sit there, spam shadowbolts and let shadow priests and shamans boost your dps to fucking stupid levels.

I think frost dks are just as difficult
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-21 16:06:01
August 21 2014 16:04 GMT
#2769
Frost dk's use like 5-6 buttons. Destro locks literally only used shadowbolt and curse of doom, and their dps came from stacking other classes.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
August 21 2014 16:06 GMT
#2770
The hardest part of Vanilla/BC was logistics. Keeping track of 20-40 people, keeping the proper raid balance between those people, making sure they are all "happy" and geared, and making sure they're all at least half competent, that's what made it all hard. WotLK fixed that problem, and then ramped up DPS complexity and fight complexity (with heroic raids). Now they've further reduced logistic complexity, but I don't play enough to know how they've changed class complexity. Classes seem so much harder now to grasp, but I'm not playing ~40 hours a week either...
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 21 2014 16:09 GMT
#2771
Class mechanics are a facade at the moment, there's a lot of buttons, and a bit of thought that needs to go into it, but there's also a solution to literally everything now, plus cooldowns to boot.

Rather like modern raids tbh, a lot of mechanics, but pre blackfuse most are almost ignorable.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 21 2014 16:10 GMT
#2772
On August 22 2014 01:04 Teoita wrote:
Frost dk's use like 5-6 buttons. Destro locks literally only used shadowbolt and curse of doom, and their dps came from stacking other classes.

Yeh it was pretty filthy
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 21 2014 16:10 GMT
#2773
So yeah I got to 90 and my friends told me to go to Timeless Isle.

Walked out a couple hours later with like 9 epics, this seems really fucking stupid.
It's your boy Guzma!
OceanLab
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France505 Posts
August 21 2014 16:12 GMT
#2774
I'm always sooo tempted to come back to this game, and WoD seems like a great addon... I assume it isnt worth coming back to the game before it comes out right?
Also, I intend to play my warrior, tank or arms. How are these specs looking in beta? I tried reading through mmo champion but theres way too much there, what are the major changes?
Liquid through and through
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 21 2014 16:15 GMT
#2775
It depends on what you want to do before release. If you don't have any 90 characters, now's a good time to get there before the expansion hits, partially because the leveling process is easier and partially because buying WoD now gives you the ability to boost a single character to 90.
It's your boy Guzma!
OceanLab
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France505 Posts
August 21 2014 16:17 GMT
#2776
Well I have a couple 90s already... I will definitely preorder WoD in order to get that free 90, still dont know what to use it on though, I have a war and a priest, I guess I could use a mage or lock or sthg... I'll see.
Liquid through and through
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
August 21 2014 16:17 GMT
#2777
The idea of "epic" has changed. They aren't good gear anymore, just max level gear. Timeless gear is absolutely terrible compared to even LFR gear.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
August 21 2014 16:20 GMT
#2778
On August 22 2014 01:10 Requizen wrote:
So yeah I got to 90 and my friends told me to go to Timeless Isle.

Walked out a couple hours later with like 9 epics, this seems really fucking stupid.


Lol, I thought the same thing. I made a brand new account and once I hit 90 in ilvl ~400 it took me all of about six hours to get to 520 ilvl.
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 21 2014 16:22 GMT
#2779
I cleared the first 9 bosses of soo with a group of guildies on our alts at ~520 ilvl. You could probably get to 550 in 2 weeks if you bought the boes and did flex + those bosses + lfr.

Games dumb atm.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
August 21 2014 16:28 GMT
#2780
On August 21 2014 17:45 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2014 07:53 Qaatar wrote:
On August 21 2014 03:38 FFW_Rude wrote:
On August 21 2014 03:13 Teoita wrote:
Eh mages arent really losing much tbh. Mostly they are consolidating the aoe spells (which imo is a good change), and changing slightly the rotation with the bombs and new talents. From what i've heard unstable magic will be tuned to be worse than the other choices in that tier, and the lvl 90 tier was always goddamn stupid so i'm happy they are changing that one.


Well... To me i'm losing much as frost.
- Bombs doesn't exist anymore
- Arcane explosion doesn't exist anymore
- I just have one armor and it's passive
- I have only one aoe spell that i can't cast while running
- The "frosting spell" somehing like frost mouth in english isn't there anymore
- flameshock is gone

Oh and evocation is gone

For someone that plays alone like me it's a setback

Maybe i don't play like i should but what i use a lot know is arcane explosion, firebomb. I use frostmouth a lot too

I'll try to respec arcane see if it's suiting me better

i'm sure i'll like it in a few month though. When i forgot that those spells existed


Incanter's Flow, if used optimally, has a much higher skill-cap than pressing one button every minute (the annoying bullshit that was Invocation). Bombs still exist, but yes, Mages can no longer multi-dot.

Overall, I'd say the complexity for Mage is roughly the same, because 3 different AoE spells isn't what made Mage gameplay complex in the first place. We also never switched armors unless we played arena or switched specs (there was some talk about Fire pulling in mage armor, then PoM swapping to molten, but that was debunked pretty fast). The third tier spells were almost never used outside of RoF in arenas...I think Frostjaw was used occasionally, depending on the strat, for adds on Paragons, but that's it. Maybe some top tier Mages in 3v3 used Frostjaw to counter some melee cleaves in high-end arena, but that's irrelevant to most of us.

The one HUGE difference is Alter Time. I know many well-known Mages, like the aforementioned Akraen, petitioned to keep it in the current state, but alas, they cut it. Most of us feel like it's the highest skill-cap spell Mages have, so that was rather disappointing.

In other words, they actually did cut out a lot of irrelevant shit for Mages, and outside of Alter and lack of multi-dotting, Mages are in a better spot imo.

Talent choices again seem pretty straight forward at the moment but i still haven't gotten enough data nor has anyone else yet i would assume to see what is going to be the go to talent choice as of now.
One thing both specs always get though is Mirror Image.


I highly doubt Blizzard will tune Mirror Image to be better than optimal usage of Incanter's/RoP. The one aspect that I still have faith in is Blizzard's ability to reasonably balance active effects that require player attention versus passive 'fire-and-forget' effects. In this case, I see optimal usage of Incanter's as maybe the last bastion of significant differentiation between good PvE Mages and decent ones.

Also, the WoD version of Alter Time is hilariously bad. Ice Barrier is literally better in almost every way. Alter needs a significant revamp, or just cut it entirely and bring back Temp Shield.
Prev 1 137 138 139 140 141 591 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 27m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech142
UpATreeSC 89
BRAT_OK 70
MindelVK 11
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 21161
Calm 4673
Sea 3689
Rain 1141
Bisu 672
Dewaltoss 135
Hm[arnc] 67
Aegong 66
Barracks 34
Free 32
[ Show more ]
scan(afreeca) 23
Rock 20
910 18
Dota 2
Gorgc5567
qojqva1588
Counter-Strike
fl0m1642
adren_tv79
ptr_tv32
Other Games
Grubby2471
singsing2420
FrodaN1176
hiko848
B2W.Neo679
DeMusliM426
Liquid`VortiX167
KnowMe145
ArmadaUGS142
RotterdaM112
Beastyqt94
ToD94
C9.Mang077
Trikslyr75
NotJumperer4
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL369
Other Games
BasetradeTV78
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 208
• StrangeGG 54
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota238
League of Legends
• Nemesis4854
• TFBlade1223
• Shiphtur389
Other Games
• imaqtpie37
Upcoming Events
OSC
6h 27m
The PondCast
16h 27m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
OSC
2 days
SC Evo Complete
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-22
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.