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musai
Canada552 Posts
On August 18 2014 21:58 Cixah wrote: Frost is still best at that iLvL X_X. Plus at that level you can get to almost 20k haste and never have to press frostbolt lol. i swapped to arcane after getting to like 580, what else do you hit at 20k haste instead of frostbolt o_o might want to switch back for funsies haha | ||
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Serejai
6007 Posts
You, on the other hand, are in a barely top 500 guild and have parses where you managed to rank 4-5 months after content was relevant. Your Immersius are from August 01 and you couldn't even beat people that killed him back in March. That's not the kind of ranking you want to brag about, nor is it the kind that any respectable guild would take a second look at. Nobody said you were bad but you're certainly not what most people would consider a top player of the spec based on the profile you just linked. If you think you're better than that link says you are (which puts you in maybe the top 10% of Moonkins), why not join Paragon? They need a Moonkin for WoD and have been unable to find a suitable one, and you seem to think you're qualified. Would you like me to recommend you? | ||
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DCRed
Finland435 Posts
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On August 18 2014 22:31 musai wrote: i swapped to arcane after getting to like 580, what else do you hit at 20k haste instead of frostbolt o_o might want to switch back for funsies haha Frost Bomb and Ice Lance. Watch the world burn. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
That said I've seen a 575 mage do 130k dps, so I guess it's no surprise that when the vast majority of players cant do a basic spec really well, the complicated ones (and aff) gets simpler. Also anyone saying boomkin isn't a complicated spec is out of there mind, even though I don't think it's a particularly well designed spec. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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On August 18 2014 17:19 Teoita wrote: For some (i guess everyone but warlocks?) classes snapshotting was actually pretty meaningless anyway: http://altered-time.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=212 This is interesting, but mostly accurately quantifies information that mages who do any bit of theorycrafting and who pay attention to their logs already intuitively know. This also only pertains to frost mages, as it's obviously irrelevant for fire mages (squeezing out pyros is the name of the game...sometimes you would even let a bomb fall off for 3+ seconds due to pyromaniac, if you have multiple pyros lined up). For arcane, I'm not too sure, since their mastery changes the entire equation. Obviously, for shadow priests, moonkins, and locks, who have multiple dots, dots that scale on a larger extent, and abilities/procs that scale from dots, this information is also irrelevant. Lastly, this only pertains to single target, and I would argue only pertains to LB. Even if this information holds true for two targets (let's say, only at 3, would snapshotting LB be worth it in the tested scenarios), NT's cleave might prove worth it at 2 targets to snapshot. Second, and this is obvious to those who theorycraft often, but all of the scenarios described are 2 dot ticks left. The average player would be led astray if he/she has no clue what snapshotting does, but looks at that thread, and concludes that snapshotting is worthless. There are plenty of scenarios where, let's say I have 50% haste, and thus have a 1.5 second window to refresh and still receive the explosion. If in that scenario, I have a bomb that only has jade spirit, and I have 1 second left on my PBoI or meta gem, I'm definitely going to refresh early instead of launching a frostbolt and then refresh after the explosion. Or, if my BBoY happened to proc, and is at 5-6+ stacks, I'm going to let my bomb fall off a couple of seconds and squeeze out a frostbolt to let BBoY reach 9-10 stacks before applying the bomb. All of these scenarios may not strictly fall into the realm of snapshotting in the sense that's described in the thread, but are still affected by the WoD change to snapshotting. In WoD, the scenario I just described above wouldn't matter one bit, but right now, it would matter significantly. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On August 19 2014 00:17 bo1b wrote: I absolutely hate that they're removing snapshotting, but I can see why they're doing it, with some classes (afflocks) scaling stupidly well as gear values get better, and fights get shorter, and adds with meaningful health get added (lol fallen protectors), but rather then completely remove haste/crit based scaling I'd prefer if they removed the real problem which is malefic grasp + soul swap. Though I do suppose it removes the absurd rng that aff has on fights longer then 40 seconds in regards to re-dotting. That said I've seen a 575 mage do 130k dps, so I guess it's no surprise that when the vast majority of players cant do a basic spec really well, the complicated ones (and aff) gets simpler. Also anyone saying boomkin isn't a complicated spec is out of there mind, even though I don't think it's a particularly well designed spec. That hurt my brain. Then again I only play Monk and Mage right now so I have to play a piano most of the time to get what I need to out of the class. | ||
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musai
Canada552 Posts
On August 19 2014 00:14 Cixah wrote: Frost Bomb and Ice Lance. Watch the world burn. Can you link some logs of mages who do this or any guides, the only one I've seen for mass haste is the one on Icy Veins with the pretty graphs? | ||
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Serejai
6007 Posts
On August 19 2014 01:50 Cixah wrote: That hurt my brain. Then again I only play Monk and Mage right now so I have to play a piano most of the time to get what I need to out of the class. You'd be surprised just how many people are doing such low DPS. Join a LFR or Flex group from oqueue and check the meters; guarantee there's at least one person in 560+ ilvl struggling to pull 100k DPS. One of my hobbies on non-raid nights was to go into an LFR and see if I could double the damage of the #2 DPS on every fight. Usually always did. I give Blizzard a lot of shit for dumbing down the game so much... but honestly it's not their fault; players really are THAT bad and all of the hand holding is a necessity. One of the downsides to appealing to a broad audience. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On August 19 2014 02:14 Requizen wrote: How are LFRs? I quit during Cata and was in a raiding guild during that time, so I never did any then. Nowadays, I don't have nearly as much free time as I did back then, but still want to see content. Are the people in LFRs really bad? Is the content way too easy and boring? I still want a challenge but I don't know if I have 3 nights a week to raid + prep time anymore. It's pretty faceroll except for SoO. I've had some groups that can 1-shot every boss and I've also wiped on Garrosh 5 times before killing him. The people are hit-and-miss. I've never seen the horror stories that you here about, since I just don't say anything and heal people, but people are still pretty horrible in LFR. Lots of insults, complaining, etc. Overall though, it's still fine. Good way to see the content. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On August 19 2014 01:54 musai wrote: Can you link some logs of mages who do this or any guides, the only one I've seen for mass haste is the one on Icy Veins with the pretty graphs? I'll see if I can't talk to Akraen (He's the guy who does all those pretty graphs you're talking about and is my GM). He's on vacation from the game for the time being and what he was spouting off was more than likely just random theory. The one time I remember him trying to do it he ended up regeming and reenchating his weapon to windsong and would just fish for haste procs before pulls. | ||
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Serejai
6007 Posts
On August 19 2014 02:14 Requizen wrote: How are LFRs? I quit during Cata and was in a raiding guild during that time, so I never did any then. Nowadays, I don't have nearly as much free time as I did back then, but still want to see content. Are the people in LFRs really bad? Is the content way too easy and boring? I still want a challenge but I don't know if I have 3 nights a week to raid + prep time anymore. It's a huge misconception that challenging content requires a lot of time and effort. LFR is definitely not the challenge you're looking for, and you should be able to find a guild that does Heroic raiding and raids less than 4-5 hours a week. It takes about an hour and a half to clear a raid instance once you have it on farm, and since tiers these days only have one raid instead of 2-3 like they used to, that's about two hours a week including prep time. Unless you're looking for a top 3 server guild then there's really no reason to raid more than two nights (four hours) a week. You will honestly spend longer in LFR because of all the "special" players in there (and more often than not one or both tanks seem to be, which further complicates the run). I think you should have no trouble finding a real 10m guild that only raids one or two nights a week. | ||
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On August 19 2014 02:24 Cixah wrote: I'll see if I can't talk to Akraen (He's the guy who does all those pretty graphs you're talking about and is my GM). He's on vacation from the game for the time being and what he was spouting off was more than likely just random theory. The one time I remember him trying to do it he ended up regeming and reenchating his weapon to windsong and would just fish for haste procs before pulls. I've read much of what Akraen's posted throughout mop, and the theory with frost bomb being superior than the other two bombs is only under ideal conditions. The problem with frost bomb is the rather counter-intuitive scaling with haste -- I mean, the more haste one has, the more one has to cast it? Yeah... On the other hand, the superior aspect of frost bomb is that you can precisely control your ffb procs, and thus, will never have proc munching happen. In practice, however, I'd stay away from frost bomb in most of SoO, unless you want to pad for the first phase of Garrosh (lel). This is obviously going to change in WoD, but I'm assuming you're talking about 5.4.8. | ||
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Serejai
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
Now I really want to get back in, new expansion looks very cool. Still have to think about which class I'll go with tho. I used to main Hunter until late Wotlk and then Warlock but might want something else again. I've been thinking to roll Warrior but not sure yet. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 19 2014 02:38 Serejai wrote: It's a huge misconception that challenging content requires a lot of time and effort. LFR is definitely not the challenge you're looking for, and you should be able to find a guild that does Heroic raiding and raids less than 4-5 hours a week. It takes about an hour and a half to clear a raid instance once you have it on farm, and since tiers these days only have one raid instead of 2-3 like they used to, that's about two hours a week including prep time. Unless you're looking for a top 3 server guild then there's really no reason to raid more than two nights (four hours) a week. You will honestly spend longer in LFR because of all the "special" players in there (and more often than not one or both tanks seem to be, which further complicates the run). I think you should have no trouble finding a real 10m guild that only raids one or two nights a week. Yeah, for me it's really about finding the right nights to raid. Saturdays I'm usually busy and Sundays can be iffy as well, and then I go to do tabletop gaming usually one day out of Tuesday/Thursday and sometimes both. It was easy back in the day when this was the only thing I did outside of work, but now with other hobbies and date nights, trying to fit in a raid schedule becomes kinda tricky. I dunno, maybe I'll just focus on PvP or something. | ||
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musai
Canada552 Posts
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