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On May 29 2013 04:49 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Question: I just bought a brand new Halo game from the store for my xbox 1. Will I buy shipping a fee to microsoft in order to play my brand new game?
If the answer is yes I am getting a PS4
Confused by the question. Are you talking about a shipping fee, like you bought it online? That has nothing to do with Microsoft at all. The game is new so there is no used game fee. Not sure what you're asking.
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On May 29 2013 03:30 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 02:49 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2013 23:16 dcemuser wrote:On May 26 2013 02:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 02:18 s3rp wrote:On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one  I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens! You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam. I do think Kinect can be used for cool things ( was even shown) . If and thats a big if it wasn't directly connected to a machine that needs to check-in to a company server every 24hours and sends collected Data to it that the company can directly sell or flat out give to just about anyone they wish. Yeah that's kind of how I look at it. It's impressive tech but the privacy issues are beyond absurd. Can't believe MS are even trying to go down that path. Said the opponents of the radio, the telephone, photographs, film, television, computers, the internet, cell phones, and basically anything done past the invention of the wheel. In this case, as usual, the privacy issues are concerns of people who have no clue how technology works. A) Everyone and their mother and their mother's server admin is going to notice if Xbox One transmits absolute fucktons of data back to Microsoft for normal Kinect usage. B) Seriously, people propose that Microsoft is going to analyze hundreds of thousands of gamers each with hours upon hours of video/microphone/real-life telemetry per week. The processing power, data storage, and internet requirements do not EXIST to handle that much data in one place. Twitch is a professional service that serves less than a million simultaneous users on probably less than 2000-3000 streams at once and can't hold its servers stable and people are suggesting that this is possible? If Microsoft could pull anything even close to what is being suggested, we should just hand them the keys to planet Earth and say "go crazy". If we were living in 2150, you'd have a point. I'd be agreeing and nodding my head. In 2013, the people making these 'privacy concern' arguments look crazy. Seriously. You might as well make the argument that your cell phone is recording all of your calls because it's a vastly more valid argument than the Kinect 2.0 one. Audio data by itself is quite small, FYI. Also, if MS (already a giant tech corporation with a lot of server overhead) wanted to track millions, they could. Twitch handles tons of people watching live video streaming and was organized without major funding that MS has available, youtube handles even more than that. Both Twitch and Youtube are FREE, the xbone costs money (even monthly). Then you also have to account for the potential funding from the government to help them get it put in. Just remember this, facebook had 190k servers last year and is able to keep up with millions upon millions of people accessing it (over 618 million daily). MS claims to be using 300k for the xbone. Of course, audio can be compressed quite a bit. However, to analyze it, you have to use a tremendous amount of processing power, and the same with video. Ideally, you would offset this by running the analysis on each machine (which it does already while active). The catch is that you would notice if it's doing this 100% of the time, since the processing power that is needed is quite large for doing real-time analysis of either video or audio (and even more for both). If they instead record and send the data offsite for analysis, we'll see the footprint in the transmission. Encoding and compressing audio and/or video, again, takes a lot of processing power (not as much as analysis, but still quite a bit), so they would have to send it raw or minimally compressed, which greatly increases the network footprint. Either way, if they snoop, people will notice and raise a fuss. No need to throw a fit over it before it launches though.
If I was going to do it I would only run it when system usage was below a certain %. It would mean I didn't get full coverage but it wouldn't disturb the end user. It would still be noticeable due to expected power saving features not kicking in (power usage being measurable and comparable to similar systems). I have no opinion on the issue, I just think you made it a bit too extreme in both directions.
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Probably not. Or at least not more then you already did. You are already paying money to microsoft when you buy the game in the store, but you won't have to pay for the same game again, that would be incredibly weird when they could just rise the store price to get more money.
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On May 29 2013 05:01 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 04:49 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Question: I just bought a brand new Halo game from the store for my xbox 1. Will I buy shipping a fee to microsoft in order to play my brand new game?
If the answer is yes I am getting a PS4 Confused by the question. Are you talking about a shipping fee, like you bought it online? That has nothing to do with Microsoft at all. The game is new so there is no used game fee. Not sure what you're asking.
Xbox one is charging an install fee for games based on what I read. Extrapolating from that I will buy my new game and then pay an install fee?
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Wtf? Even more reason not to buy one. This is becoming more and more of a joke.
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On May 29 2013 05:29 Bub wrote:
Wtf? Even more reason not to buy one. This is becoming more and more of a joke.
I think a lot of these things are just bandwaggoned rumors, though. Honestly, there's enough legitimized stuff to hate on while we wait for confirmation of these other things. Just take it slow and give them a chance to prove themselves. You never know, they might save it, somehow. Doubtful, but maybe.
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On May 29 2013 05:32 FluffyBinLaden wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 05:29 Bub wrote:
Wtf? Even more reason not to buy one. This is becoming more and more of a joke. I think a lot of these things are just bandwaggoned rumors, though. Honestly, there's enough legitimized stuff to hate on while we wait for confirmation of these other things. Just take it slow and give them a chance to prove themselves. You never know, they might save it, somehow. Doubtful, but maybe.
Microsoft. No chance lol
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Hey I searched for a similar discussion in this thread but didn't find any so here is my question. Do you think hackers and modders will be able to hack these consoles in timely fashion, within a reasonable time frame? The rumors about second hand games being restricted and whatnot got me thinking about the benefits of modifying this console in particular.
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On May 29 2013 03:30 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 02:49 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2013 23:16 dcemuser wrote:On May 26 2013 02:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 02:18 s3rp wrote:On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens! You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam. I do think Kinect can be used for cool things ( was even shown) . If and thats a big if it wasn't directly connected to a machine that needs to check-in to a company server every 24hours and sends collected Data to it that the company can directly sell or flat out give to just about anyone they wish. Yeah that's kind of how I look at it. It's impressive tech but the privacy issues are beyond absurd. Can't believe MS are even trying to go down that path. Said the opponents of the radio, the telephone, photographs, film, television, computers, the internet, cell phones, and basically anything done past the invention of the wheel. In this case, as usual, the privacy issues are concerns of people who have no clue how technology works. A) Everyone and their mother and their mother's server admin is going to notice if Xbox One transmits absolute fucktons of data back to Microsoft for normal Kinect usage. B) Seriously, people propose that Microsoft is going to analyze hundreds of thousands of gamers each with hours upon hours of video/microphone/real-life telemetry per week. The processing power, data storage, and internet requirements do not EXIST to handle that much data in one place. Twitch is a professional service that serves less than a million simultaneous users on probably less than 2000-3000 streams at once and can't hold its servers stable and people are suggesting that this is possible? If Microsoft could pull anything even close to what is being suggested, we should just hand them the keys to planet Earth and say "go crazy". If we were living in 2150, you'd have a point. I'd be agreeing and nodding my head. In 2013, the people making these 'privacy concern' arguments look crazy. Seriously. You might as well make the argument that your cell phone is recording all of your calls because it's a vastly more valid argument than the Kinect 2.0 one. Audio data by itself is quite small, FYI. Also, if MS (already a giant tech corporation with a lot of server overhead) wanted to track millions, they could. Twitch handles tons of people watching live video streaming and was organized without major funding that MS has available, youtube handles even more than that. Both Twitch and Youtube are FREE, the xbone costs money (even monthly). Then you also have to account for the potential funding from the government to help them get it put in. Just remember this, facebook had 190k servers last year and is able to keep up with millions upon millions of people accessing it (over 618 million daily). MS claims to be using 300k for the xbone. Of course, audio can be compressed quite a bit. However, to analyze it, you have to use a tremendous amount of processing power, and the same with video. Ideally, you would offset this by running the analysis on each machine (which it does already while active). The catch is that you would notice if it's doing this 100% of the time, since the processing power that is needed is quite large for doing real-time analysis of either video or audio (and even more for both). If they instead record and send the data offsite for analysis, we'll see the footprint in the transmission. Encoding and compressing audio and/or video, again, takes a lot of processing power (not as much as analysis, but still quite a bit), so they would have to send it raw or minimally compressed, which greatly increases the network footprint. Either way, if they snoop, people will notice and raise a fuss. No need to throw a fit over it before it launches though.
Well i think nobody that knows a bit about networking is saying the box will send a full scale data stream to their backbones and cloud/server systems. Nonetheless you don´t need a stream for analysing data because that job gets done right in the machine (since people are playing and the "data stream" the Kinect is catching is used for feedback in the game). Therefore data crawls could be more a type of official achievement system for example. First, media and people would be satisfied (oh that thing isn´t a spy cool i got a achievement for smiling after event x...that´s nothing bad hey!...) and the data to process is smaller for the network (only sending flags for achievements like it´s already done) and you don´t need to encapsulate your network packets to hide the payload because people like achievements systems. I hope you get the idea.
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On May 29 2013 05:34 Al Bundy wrote:
Hey I searched for a similar discussion in this thread but didn't find any so here is my question. Do you think hackers and modders will be able to hack these consoles in timely fashion, within a reasonable time frame? The rumors about second hand games being restricted and whatnot got me thinking about the benefits of modifying this console in particular.
I think it'll probably be very, very tough. The Xbox360 already was sort of tough to crack or at least inconvenient. Now, it's looking like the Xbox One will be extremely invasive.
I wouldn't be surprised if games required console patches to run well, and so chipped or modded xbones would probably need to be updated outside of Microsoft's controlled "ecosystem" type of thing.
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On May 29 2013 05:11 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 03:30 aksfjh wrote:On May 28 2013 02:49 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2013 23:16 dcemuser wrote:On May 26 2013 02:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 02:18 s3rp wrote:On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens! You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam. I do think Kinect can be used for cool things ( was even shown) . If and thats a big if it wasn't directly connected to a machine that needs to check-in to a company server every 24hours and sends collected Data to it that the company can directly sell or flat out give to just about anyone they wish. Yeah that's kind of how I look at it. It's impressive tech but the privacy issues are beyond absurd. Can't believe MS are even trying to go down that path. Said the opponents of the radio, the telephone, photographs, film, television, computers, the internet, cell phones, and basically anything done past the invention of the wheel. In this case, as usual, the privacy issues are concerns of people who have no clue how technology works. A) Everyone and their mother and their mother's server admin is going to notice if Xbox One transmits absolute fucktons of data back to Microsoft for normal Kinect usage. B) Seriously, people propose that Microsoft is going to analyze hundreds of thousands of gamers each with hours upon hours of video/microphone/real-life telemetry per week. The processing power, data storage, and internet requirements do not EXIST to handle that much data in one place. Twitch is a professional service that serves less than a million simultaneous users on probably less than 2000-3000 streams at once and can't hold its servers stable and people are suggesting that this is possible? If Microsoft could pull anything even close to what is being suggested, we should just hand them the keys to planet Earth and say "go crazy". If we were living in 2150, you'd have a point. I'd be agreeing and nodding my head. In 2013, the people making these 'privacy concern' arguments look crazy. Seriously. You might as well make the argument that your cell phone is recording all of your calls because it's a vastly more valid argument than the Kinect 2.0 one. Audio data by itself is quite small, FYI. Also, if MS (already a giant tech corporation with a lot of server overhead) wanted to track millions, they could. Twitch handles tons of people watching live video streaming and was organized without major funding that MS has available, youtube handles even more than that. Both Twitch and Youtube are FREE, the xbone costs money (even monthly). Then you also have to account for the potential funding from the government to help them get it put in. Just remember this, facebook had 190k servers last year and is able to keep up with millions upon millions of people accessing it (over 618 million daily). MS claims to be using 300k for the xbone. Of course, audio can be compressed quite a bit. However, to analyze it, you have to use a tremendous amount of processing power, and the same with video. Ideally, you would offset this by running the analysis on each machine (which it does already while active). The catch is that you would notice if it's doing this 100% of the time, since the processing power that is needed is quite large for doing real-time analysis of either video or audio (and even more for both). If they instead record and send the data offsite for analysis, we'll see the footprint in the transmission. Encoding and compressing audio and/or video, again, takes a lot of processing power (not as much as analysis, but still quite a bit), so they would have to send it raw or minimally compressed, which greatly increases the network footprint. Either way, if they snoop, people will notice and raise a fuss. No need to throw a fit over it before it launches though. If I was going to do it I would only run it when system usage was below a certain %. It would mean I didn't get full coverage but it wouldn't disturb the end user. It would still be noticeable due to expected power saving features not kicking in (power usage being measurable and comparable to similar systems). I have no opinion on the issue, I just think you made it a bit too extreme in both directions.
I'm doing high level research and design in speech and voice recognition right now, using both high powered PC processors and microcontrollers. The Kinect 2 likely uses the same max processing power as Kinect (less than 10% of the system processor), so system % usage is likely a non-issue. Low power mode for speaker independent speech and voice recognition usually means a noise filter and listening for a very, very small vocabulary (10-20 words max). It should basically ignore any other words and sounds to keep down processing power and memory needs.
Even then, however, with 24 bits of audio stream at a sampling rate of 16kHz, that's a lot of processing power needed (I'm going to estimate at least a 500 MHz for real-time lossless analysis every ~20ms). Just running the FFT on 24-bit samples is absurd in terms of processing needs, then they have to run the filters and check against the "standard" command samples.
Or they can just compress it and send it to Microsoft so they can get YouTube level transcripts from 5,000 different people a day.
Since the gripe is apparently over it being used while the system is "off" or in stand-by, this is where the "people will notice" line comes from. You can't run a high end processor, even at 10-15% processor usage, without sucking 10-100W, which far surpasses the norm for "stand-by."
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It isn't even out yet and people are finding ways to bag on Microsoft and xbox. I'm impressed.
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There are so many stories abotu terrible features being confirmed and denied that I'm starting to worry that people wont be able to make an informed decision before they buy. Hopefully things will be much more clear around the release date. That being said, where we currently stand I'm buying a Wii U and upgrading my PC and saying fuck you to both Sony and Microsoft for this fuck-up generation.
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On May 29 2013 06:26 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 05:11 Yurie wrote:On May 29 2013 03:30 aksfjh wrote:On May 28 2013 02:49 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2013 23:16 dcemuser wrote:On May 26 2013 02:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 02:18 s3rp wrote:On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens! You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam. I do think Kinect can be used for cool things ( was even shown) . If and thats a big if it wasn't directly connected to a machine that needs to check-in to a company server every 24hours and sends collected Data to it that the company can directly sell or flat out give to just about anyone they wish. Yeah that's kind of how I look at it. It's impressive tech but the privacy issues are beyond absurd. Can't believe MS are even trying to go down that path. Said the opponents of the radio, the telephone, photographs, film, television, computers, the internet, cell phones, and basically anything done past the invention of the wheel. In this case, as usual, the privacy issues are concerns of people who have no clue how technology works. A) Everyone and their mother and their mother's server admin is going to notice if Xbox One transmits absolute fucktons of data back to Microsoft for normal Kinect usage. B) Seriously, people propose that Microsoft is going to analyze hundreds of thousands of gamers each with hours upon hours of video/microphone/real-life telemetry per week. The processing power, data storage, and internet requirements do not EXIST to handle that much data in one place. Twitch is a professional service that serves less than a million simultaneous users on probably less than 2000-3000 streams at once and can't hold its servers stable and people are suggesting that this is possible? If Microsoft could pull anything even close to what is being suggested, we should just hand them the keys to planet Earth and say "go crazy". If we were living in 2150, you'd have a point. I'd be agreeing and nodding my head. In 2013, the people making these 'privacy concern' arguments look crazy. Seriously. You might as well make the argument that your cell phone is recording all of your calls because it's a vastly more valid argument than the Kinect 2.0 one. Audio data by itself is quite small, FYI. Also, if MS (already a giant tech corporation with a lot of server overhead) wanted to track millions, they could. Twitch handles tons of people watching live video streaming and was organized without major funding that MS has available, youtube handles even more than that. Both Twitch and Youtube are FREE, the xbone costs money (even monthly). Then you also have to account for the potential funding from the government to help them get it put in. Just remember this, facebook had 190k servers last year and is able to keep up with millions upon millions of people accessing it (over 618 million daily). MS claims to be using 300k for the xbone. Of course, audio can be compressed quite a bit. However, to analyze it, you have to use a tremendous amount of processing power, and the same with video. Ideally, you would offset this by running the analysis on each machine (which it does already while active). The catch is that you would notice if it's doing this 100% of the time, since the processing power that is needed is quite large for doing real-time analysis of either video or audio (and even more for both). If they instead record and send the data offsite for analysis, we'll see the footprint in the transmission. Encoding and compressing audio and/or video, again, takes a lot of processing power (not as much as analysis, but still quite a bit), so they would have to send it raw or minimally compressed, which greatly increases the network footprint. Either way, if they snoop, people will notice and raise a fuss. No need to throw a fit over it before it launches though. If I was going to do it I would only run it when system usage was below a certain %. It would mean I didn't get full coverage but it wouldn't disturb the end user. It would still be noticeable due to expected power saving features not kicking in (power usage being measurable and comparable to similar systems). I have no opinion on the issue, I just think you made it a bit too extreme in both directions. I'm doing high level research and design in speech and voice recognition right now, using both high powered PC processors and microcontrollers.
So you´re one of the guys to blame why we not have a fully working translator star trek style! 
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On May 29 2013 06:46 Nachtwind wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 06:26 aksfjh wrote:On May 29 2013 05:11 Yurie wrote:On May 29 2013 03:30 aksfjh wrote:On May 28 2013 02:49 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2013 23:16 dcemuser wrote:On May 26 2013 02:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 02:18 s3rp wrote:On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:
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I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens! You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam. I do think Kinect can be used for cool things ( was even shown) . If and thats a big if it wasn't directly connected to a machine that needs to check-in to a company server every 24hours and sends collected Data to it that the company can directly sell or flat out give to just about anyone they wish. Yeah that's kind of how I look at it. It's impressive tech but the privacy issues are beyond absurd. Can't believe MS are even trying to go down that path. Said the opponents of the radio, the telephone, photographs, film, television, computers, the internet, cell phones, and basically anything done past the invention of the wheel. In this case, as usual, the privacy issues are concerns of people who have no clue how technology works. A) Everyone and their mother and their mother's server admin is going to notice if Xbox One transmits absolute fucktons of data back to Microsoft for normal Kinect usage. B) Seriously, people propose that Microsoft is going to analyze hundreds of thousands of gamers each with hours upon hours of video/microphone/real-life telemetry per week. The processing power, data storage, and internet requirements do not EXIST to handle that much data in one place. Twitch is a professional service that serves less than a million simultaneous users on probably less than 2000-3000 streams at once and can't hold its servers stable and people are suggesting that this is possible? If Microsoft could pull anything even close to what is being suggested, we should just hand them the keys to planet Earth and say "go crazy". If we were living in 2150, you'd have a point. I'd be agreeing and nodding my head. In 2013, the people making these 'privacy concern' arguments look crazy. Seriously. You might as well make the argument that your cell phone is recording all of your calls because it's a vastly more valid argument than the Kinect 2.0 one. Audio data by itself is quite small, FYI. Also, if MS (already a giant tech corporation with a lot of server overhead) wanted to track millions, they could. Twitch handles tons of people watching live video streaming and was organized without major funding that MS has available, youtube handles even more than that. Both Twitch and Youtube are FREE, the xbone costs money (even monthly). Then you also have to account for the potential funding from the government to help them get it put in. Just remember this, facebook had 190k servers last year and is able to keep up with millions upon millions of people accessing it (over 618 million daily). MS claims to be using 300k for the xbone. Of course, audio can be compressed quite a bit. However, to analyze it, you have to use a tremendous amount of processing power, and the same with video. Ideally, you would offset this by running the analysis on each machine (which it does already while active). The catch is that you would notice if it's doing this 100% of the time, since the processing power that is needed is quite large for doing real-time analysis of either video or audio (and even more for both). If they instead record and send the data offsite for analysis, we'll see the footprint in the transmission. Encoding and compressing audio and/or video, again, takes a lot of processing power (not as much as analysis, but still quite a bit), so they would have to send it raw or minimally compressed, which greatly increases the network footprint. Either way, if they snoop, people will notice and raise a fuss. No need to throw a fit over it before it launches though. If I was going to do it I would only run it when system usage was below a certain %. It would mean I didn't get full coverage but it wouldn't disturb the end user. It would still be noticeable due to expected power saving features not kicking in (power usage being measurable and comparable to similar systems). I have no opinion on the issue, I just think you made it a bit too extreme in both directions. I'm doing high level research and design in speech and voice recognition right now, using both high powered PC processors and microcontrollers. So you´re one of the guys to blame why we not have a fully working translator star trek style!
Ehhh, somewhat. I'm more to blame when you yell out "Computer, on!" and nothing happens because your air conditioner is on. My project mainly deals with integration anyways, combining recognition with other technologies to make unique devices for the hearing impaired.
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On May 29 2013 02:46 adwodon wrote:
Just waiting for the day you notice your Amazon recommendations are all pulled from the conversation you had the night before.
Be wary of what you say around your XBone when drunk, high or horny.
bbbbut why? if there is some program that records me fapping to midget porn and they make a big tv show out of it maybe I could find the "one"
i had a friend who was total nut about his webcam on laptop, talking about google watching you fap, fucking morons )
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On May 29 2013 05:32 FluffyBinLaden wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 05:29 Bub wrote:
Wtf? Even more reason not to buy one. This is becoming more and more of a joke. I think a lot of these things are just bandwaggoned rumors, though. Honestly, there's enough legitimized stuff to hate on while we wait for confirmation of these other things. Just take it slow and give them a chance to prove themselves. You never know, they might save it, somehow. Doubtful, but maybe.
Windows 8 ! Nuff said.
+ Show Spoiler +Do you want chat channels?
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On May 28 2013 21:40 DrCooper wrote:
I'm very sad that Microsoft only focuses on NA. Everything we saw can't be used by anyone living outside of US/CA. (Maybe it'll work in Great Britain?)
Most of that not even in Canada either.
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On May 29 2013 07:40 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 21:40 DrCooper wrote:
I'm very sad that Microsoft only focuses on NA. Everything we saw can't be used by anyone living outside of US/CA. (Maybe it'll work in Great Britain?) Most of that not even in Canada either.
What about the FIFA thing?
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Since I imagine a lot of hardware people will be in this thread ready to bear their fangs at console specs, and this is an active console thread (a bit xbox specific, but none the less), can anyone tell me if there's any legitimacy in what this person is saying? WiiU gpu stuff
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