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On May 27 2013 23:16 dcemuser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 02:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 02:18 s3rp wrote:On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one  I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens! You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam. I do think Kinect can be used for cool things ( was even shown) . If and thats a big if it wasn't directly connected to a machine that needs to check-in to a company server every 24hours and sends collected Data to it that the company can directly sell or flat out give to just about anyone they wish. Yeah that's kind of how I look at it. It's impressive tech but the privacy issues are beyond absurd. Can't believe MS are even trying to go down that path. Said the opponents of the radio, the telephone, photographs, film, television, computers, the internet, cell phones, and basically anything done past the invention of the wheel. In this case, as usual, the privacy issues are concerns of people who have no clue how technology works. A) Everyone and their mother and their mother's server admin is going to notice if Xbox One transmits absolute fucktons of data back to Microsoft for normal Kinect usage. B) Seriously, people propose that Microsoft is going to analyze hundreds of thousands of gamers each with hours upon hours of video/microphone/real-life telemetry per week. The processing power, data storage, and internet requirements do not EXIST to handle that much data in one place. Twitch is a professional service that serves less than a million simultaneous users on probably less than 2000-3000 streams at once and can't hold its servers stable and people are suggesting that this is possible? If Microsoft could pull anything even close to what is being suggested, we should just hand them the keys to planet Earth and say "go crazy". If we were living in 2150, you'd have a point. I'd be agreeing and nodding my head. In 2013, the people making these 'privacy concern' arguments look crazy. Seriously. You might as well make the argument that your cell phone is recording all of your calls because it's a vastly more valid argument than the Kinect 2.0 one.
Audio data by itself is quite small, FYI.
Also, if MS (already a giant tech corporation with a lot of server overhead) wanted to track millions, they could. Twitch handles tons of people watching live video streaming and was organized without major funding that MS has available, youtube handles even more than that. Both Twitch and Youtube are FREE, the xbone costs money (even monthly). Then you also have to account for the potential funding from the government to help them get it put in.
Just remember this, facebook had 190k servers last year and is able to keep up with millions upon millions of people accessing it (over 618 million daily). MS claims to be using 300k for the xbone.
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On May 28 2013 02:49 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 23:16 dcemuser wrote:On May 26 2013 02:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 02:18 s3rp wrote:On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens! You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam. I do think Kinect can be used for cool things ( was even shown) . If and thats a big if it wasn't directly connected to a machine that needs to check-in to a company server every 24hours and sends collected Data to it that the company can directly sell or flat out give to just about anyone they wish. Yeah that's kind of how I look at it. It's impressive tech but the privacy issues are beyond absurd. Can't believe MS are even trying to go down that path. Said the opponents of the radio, the telephone, photographs, film, television, computers, the internet, cell phones, and basically anything done past the invention of the wheel. In this case, as usual, the privacy issues are concerns of people who have no clue how technology works. A) Everyone and their mother and their mother's server admin is going to notice if Xbox One transmits absolute fucktons of data back to Microsoft for normal Kinect usage. B) Seriously, people propose that Microsoft is going to analyze hundreds of thousands of gamers each with hours upon hours of video/microphone/real-life telemetry per week. The processing power, data storage, and internet requirements do not EXIST to handle that much data in one place. Twitch is a professional service that serves less than a million simultaneous users on probably less than 2000-3000 streams at once and can't hold its servers stable and people are suggesting that this is possible? If Microsoft could pull anything even close to what is being suggested, we should just hand them the keys to planet Earth and say "go crazy". If we were living in 2150, you'd have a point. I'd be agreeing and nodding my head. In 2013, the people making these 'privacy concern' arguments look crazy. Seriously. You might as well make the argument that your cell phone is recording all of your calls because it's a vastly more valid argument than the Kinect 2.0 one. Audio data by itself is quite small, FYI. Also, if MS (already a giant tech corporation with a lot of server overhead) wanted to track millions, they could. Twitch handles tons of people watching live video streaming and was organized without major funding that MS has available, youtube handles even more than that. Both Twitch and Youtube are FREE, the xbone costs money (even monthly). Then you also have to account for the potential funding from the government to help them get it put in. Just remember this, facebook had 190k servers last year and is able to keep up with millions upon millions of people accessing it (over 618 million daily). MS claims to be using 300k for the xbone.
People are simply naive. No one thinks MS would do something so shady, but they can and will ^_^
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On May 28 2013 02:55 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 02:49 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2013 23:16 dcemuser wrote:On May 26 2013 02:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 02:18 s3rp wrote:On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens! You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam. I do think Kinect can be used for cool things ( was even shown) . If and thats a big if it wasn't directly connected to a machine that needs to check-in to a company server every 24hours and sends collected Data to it that the company can directly sell or flat out give to just about anyone they wish. Yeah that's kind of how I look at it. It's impressive tech but the privacy issues are beyond absurd. Can't believe MS are even trying to go down that path. Said the opponents of the radio, the telephone, photographs, film, television, computers, the internet, cell phones, and basically anything done past the invention of the wheel. In this case, as usual, the privacy issues are concerns of people who have no clue how technology works. A) Everyone and their mother and their mother's server admin is going to notice if Xbox One transmits absolute fucktons of data back to Microsoft for normal Kinect usage. B) Seriously, people propose that Microsoft is going to analyze hundreds of thousands of gamers each with hours upon hours of video/microphone/real-life telemetry per week. The processing power, data storage, and internet requirements do not EXIST to handle that much data in one place. Twitch is a professional service that serves less than a million simultaneous users on probably less than 2000-3000 streams at once and can't hold its servers stable and people are suggesting that this is possible? If Microsoft could pull anything even close to what is being suggested, we should just hand them the keys to planet Earth and say "go crazy". If we were living in 2150, you'd have a point. I'd be agreeing and nodding my head. In 2013, the people making these 'privacy concern' arguments look crazy. Seriously. You might as well make the argument that your cell phone is recording all of your calls because it's a vastly more valid argument than the Kinect 2.0 one. Audio data by itself is quite small, FYI. Also, if MS (already a giant tech corporation with a lot of server overhead) wanted to track millions, they could. Twitch handles tons of people watching live video streaming and was organized without major funding that MS has available, youtube handles even more than that. Both Twitch and Youtube are FREE, the xbone costs money (even monthly). Then you also have to account for the potential funding from the government to help them get it put in. Just remember this, facebook had 190k servers last year and is able to keep up with millions upon millions of people accessing it (over 618 million daily). MS claims to be using 300k for the xbone. People are simply naive. No one thinks MS would do something so shady, but they can and will ^_^
You would think after the recent scandals in the news people would start to get rid of this silly notion that corporations and the government would never ever violate your trust in them.
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On May 28 2013 02:55 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 02:49 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2013 23:16 dcemuser wrote:On May 26 2013 02:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 02:18 s3rp wrote:On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens! You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam. I do think Kinect can be used for cool things ( was even shown) . If and thats a big if it wasn't directly connected to a machine that needs to check-in to a company server every 24hours and sends collected Data to it that the company can directly sell or flat out give to just about anyone they wish. Yeah that's kind of how I look at it. It's impressive tech but the privacy issues are beyond absurd. Can't believe MS are even trying to go down that path. Said the opponents of the radio, the telephone, photographs, film, television, computers, the internet, cell phones, and basically anything done past the invention of the wheel. In this case, as usual, the privacy issues are concerns of people who have no clue how technology works. A) Everyone and their mother and their mother's server admin is going to notice if Xbox One transmits absolute fucktons of data back to Microsoft for normal Kinect usage. B) Seriously, people propose that Microsoft is going to analyze hundreds of thousands of gamers each with hours upon hours of video/microphone/real-life telemetry per week. The processing power, data storage, and internet requirements do not EXIST to handle that much data in one place. Twitch is a professional service that serves less than a million simultaneous users on probably less than 2000-3000 streams at once and can't hold its servers stable and people are suggesting that this is possible? If Microsoft could pull anything even close to what is being suggested, we should just hand them the keys to planet Earth and say "go crazy". If we were living in 2150, you'd have a point. I'd be agreeing and nodding my head. In 2013, the people making these 'privacy concern' arguments look crazy. Seriously. You might as well make the argument that your cell phone is recording all of your calls because it's a vastly more valid argument than the Kinect 2.0 one. Audio data by itself is quite small, FYI. Also, if MS (already a giant tech corporation with a lot of server overhead) wanted to track millions, they could. Twitch handles tons of people watching live video streaming and was organized without major funding that MS has available, youtube handles even more than that. Both Twitch and Youtube are FREE, the xbone costs money (even monthly). Then you also have to account for the potential funding from the government to help them get it put in. Just remember this, facebook had 190k servers last year and is able to keep up with millions upon millions of people accessing it (over 618 million daily). MS claims to be using 300k for the xbone. People are simply naive. No one thinks MS would do something so shady, but they can and will ^_^
They would have nothing to gain and everything to lose. People are not being naive, they are being realistic. Conspiracy theories are blown way out of proportion because of the trend in popular media to show totalitarian societies, a la big brother. Your mobile phone might right now be transmitting everything you do to "the man". But you don't believe that, do you?
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On May 28 2013 03:42 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 02:55 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 28 2013 02:49 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2013 23:16 dcemuser wrote:On May 26 2013 02:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 02:18 s3rp wrote:On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens! You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam. I do think Kinect can be used for cool things ( was even shown) . If and thats a big if it wasn't directly connected to a machine that needs to check-in to a company server every 24hours and sends collected Data to it that the company can directly sell or flat out give to just about anyone they wish. Yeah that's kind of how I look at it. It's impressive tech but the privacy issues are beyond absurd. Can't believe MS are even trying to go down that path. Said the opponents of the radio, the telephone, photographs, film, television, computers, the internet, cell phones, and basically anything done past the invention of the wheel. In this case, as usual, the privacy issues are concerns of people who have no clue how technology works. A) Everyone and their mother and their mother's server admin is going to notice if Xbox One transmits absolute fucktons of data back to Microsoft for normal Kinect usage. B) Seriously, people propose that Microsoft is going to analyze hundreds of thousands of gamers each with hours upon hours of video/microphone/real-life telemetry per week. The processing power, data storage, and internet requirements do not EXIST to handle that much data in one place. Twitch is a professional service that serves less than a million simultaneous users on probably less than 2000-3000 streams at once and can't hold its servers stable and people are suggesting that this is possible? If Microsoft could pull anything even close to what is being suggested, we should just hand them the keys to planet Earth and say "go crazy". If we were living in 2150, you'd have a point. I'd be agreeing and nodding my head. In 2013, the people making these 'privacy concern' arguments look crazy. Seriously. You might as well make the argument that your cell phone is recording all of your calls because it's a vastly more valid argument than the Kinect 2.0 one. Audio data by itself is quite small, FYI. Also, if MS (already a giant tech corporation with a lot of server overhead) wanted to track millions, they could. Twitch handles tons of people watching live video streaming and was organized without major funding that MS has available, youtube handles even more than that. Both Twitch and Youtube are FREE, the xbone costs money (even monthly). Then you also have to account for the potential funding from the government to help them get it put in. Just remember this, facebook had 190k servers last year and is able to keep up with millions upon millions of people accessing it (over 618 million daily). MS claims to be using 300k for the xbone. People are simply naive. No one thinks MS would do something so shady, but they can and will ^_^ They would have nothing to gain and everything to lose. People are not being naive, they are being realistic. Conspiracy theories are blown way out of proportion because of the trend in popular media to show totalitarian societies, a la big brother. Your mobile phone might right now be transmitting everything you do to "the man". But you don't believe that, do you?
Nothing to gain? Maybe you don't understand just how powerful the ability to watch and listen to every home with an xbone in it is (don't forget all that data gets saved on the "cloud"). Not to mention, it's also essentially a giant DRM feature. I know for a fact I won't be getting one, and honestly they couldn't pay me to put one in my living room, let alone me shell out 500 bucks for one (or however much it will cost).
I'll stick with PC gaming and probably a ps4 down the road.
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On May 28 2013 03:42 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 02:55 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 28 2013 02:49 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2013 23:16 dcemuser wrote:On May 26 2013 02:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 02:18 s3rp wrote:On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens! You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam. I do think Kinect can be used for cool things ( was even shown) . If and thats a big if it wasn't directly connected to a machine that needs to check-in to a company server every 24hours and sends collected Data to it that the company can directly sell or flat out give to just about anyone they wish. Yeah that's kind of how I look at it. It's impressive tech but the privacy issues are beyond absurd. Can't believe MS are even trying to go down that path. Said the opponents of the radio, the telephone, photographs, film, television, computers, the internet, cell phones, and basically anything done past the invention of the wheel. In this case, as usual, the privacy issues are concerns of people who have no clue how technology works. A) Everyone and their mother and their mother's server admin is going to notice if Xbox One transmits absolute fucktons of data back to Microsoft for normal Kinect usage. B) Seriously, people propose that Microsoft is going to analyze hundreds of thousands of gamers each with hours upon hours of video/microphone/real-life telemetry per week. The processing power, data storage, and internet requirements do not EXIST to handle that much data in one place. Twitch is a professional service that serves less than a million simultaneous users on probably less than 2000-3000 streams at once and can't hold its servers stable and people are suggesting that this is possible? If Microsoft could pull anything even close to what is being suggested, we should just hand them the keys to planet Earth and say "go crazy". If we were living in 2150, you'd have a point. I'd be agreeing and nodding my head. In 2013, the people making these 'privacy concern' arguments look crazy. Seriously. You might as well make the argument that your cell phone is recording all of your calls because it's a vastly more valid argument than the Kinect 2.0 one. Audio data by itself is quite small, FYI. Also, if MS (already a giant tech corporation with a lot of server overhead) wanted to track millions, they could. Twitch handles tons of people watching live video streaming and was organized without major funding that MS has available, youtube handles even more than that. Both Twitch and Youtube are FREE, the xbone costs money (even monthly). Then you also have to account for the potential funding from the government to help them get it put in. Just remember this, facebook had 190k servers last year and is able to keep up with millions upon millions of people accessing it (over 618 million daily). MS claims to be using 300k for the xbone. People are simply naive. No one thinks MS would do something so shady, but they can and will ^_^ They would have nothing to gain and everything to lose. People are not being naive, they are being realistic. Conspiracy theories are blown way out of proportion because of the trend in popular media to show totalitarian societies, a la big brother. Your mobile phone might right now be transmitting everything you do to "the man". But you don't believe that, do you?
No one is saying we're thinking this is going to be Big Brother coming into our house and turning us into a totalitarian state or something. We're saying a corporation that is notorious for taking personal information and selling it to other companies and a corporation that has outright said that they're going to use the camera to determine our "emotional state" so they can more specifically direct ads towards us are not the type of people we want to have a camera and microphone on in our house.
You don't have to believe in a conspiracy theory of a totalitarian state to be uncomfortable on spending $600 for a company to put a camera and microphone in your house to watch you, your friends, and your actions 24/7 365 days a year. You don't have to believe in conspiracy theories to be uncomfortable with a piece of technology "analyzing" your emotions and heart beat and and facial expressions to direct ads towards you.
This isn't mindless rambling. Microsoft recently filed a patent that will allow the Kinect to "determine" your current emotional state and crossreference that with recent social media posts to target advertisements depending on how you're feeling on that very moment. Another patent filed by Microsoft describes how the Kinect can detect and discern with high tech facial recognition software how many people are in a room watching a movie so it can determine if it needs to restrict the content and charge additional user-licenses allowed to watch the content. In an investor summit, Dennis Durkin suggested the Kinect will be able to identify objects or clothing, such as a football jersey someone is wearing, and target advertisements based on that data.
The Kinect is an unprecedented case of Corporate data-mining and control. In the Kinect 2.0's world, your TV watches you more than you watch it through an always-on microphone, a camera so sensitive it can discern your emotional state in total darkness, and your life being collected and categorized automatically for the explicitly stated purpose of advertising more directly targeted towards you.
Also, it's a very, very, very common thing for Webcams to be hacked. Digital crime is on the rise, and even major corporations are being hacked. Do you feel comfortable putting an always on recording powerful camera in your home like described above when there's a very real threat an outside party could hack into it and view your life without your permission or any way of knowing it's happening?
It has nothing to do with a totalitarian state conspiracy theory.
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I don't have much of a problem with what corporations will do. If I did get an xbox, I would be much more worried about the possibility that people could hack into the network. Corporations can take information to be able to target their adds better, know what people like, etc etc. Other people might be able to get stuff like credit card info, and since I don't know much about computers and the internet, I'm going to say "and who knows what else".
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On May 28 2013 03:42 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 02:55 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 28 2013 02:49 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2013 23:16 dcemuser wrote:On May 26 2013 02:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 02:18 s3rp wrote:On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens! You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam. I do think Kinect can be used for cool things ( was even shown) . If and thats a big if it wasn't directly connected to a machine that needs to check-in to a company server every 24hours and sends collected Data to it that the company can directly sell or flat out give to just about anyone they wish. Yeah that's kind of how I look at it. It's impressive tech but the privacy issues are beyond absurd. Can't believe MS are even trying to go down that path. Said the opponents of the radio, the telephone, photographs, film, television, computers, the internet, cell phones, and basically anything done past the invention of the wheel. In this case, as usual, the privacy issues are concerns of people who have no clue how technology works. A) Everyone and their mother and their mother's server admin is going to notice if Xbox One transmits absolute fucktons of data back to Microsoft for normal Kinect usage. B) Seriously, people propose that Microsoft is going to analyze hundreds of thousands of gamers each with hours upon hours of video/microphone/real-life telemetry per week. The processing power, data storage, and internet requirements do not EXIST to handle that much data in one place. Twitch is a professional service that serves less than a million simultaneous users on probably less than 2000-3000 streams at once and can't hold its servers stable and people are suggesting that this is possible? If Microsoft could pull anything even close to what is being suggested, we should just hand them the keys to planet Earth and say "go crazy". If we were living in 2150, you'd have a point. I'd be agreeing and nodding my head. In 2013, the people making these 'privacy concern' arguments look crazy. Seriously. You might as well make the argument that your cell phone is recording all of your calls because it's a vastly more valid argument than the Kinect 2.0 one. Audio data by itself is quite small, FYI. Also, if MS (already a giant tech corporation with a lot of server overhead) wanted to track millions, they could. Twitch handles tons of people watching live video streaming and was organized without major funding that MS has available, youtube handles even more than that. Both Twitch and Youtube are FREE, the xbone costs money (even monthly). Then you also have to account for the potential funding from the government to help them get it put in. Just remember this, facebook had 190k servers last year and is able to keep up with millions upon millions of people accessing it (over 618 million daily). MS claims to be using 300k for the xbone. People are simply naive. No one thinks MS would do something so shady, but they can and will ^_^ They would have nothing to gain and everything to lose. People are not being naive, they are being realistic. Conspiracy theories are blown way out of proportion because of the trend in popular media to show totalitarian societies, a la big brother. Your mobile phone might right now be transmitting everything you do to "the man". But you don't believe that, do you?
The problem is the combination of
-possible options the machine offers in correlation with
-the ms patents
-plus their politic on how the end user is forced to run the machine.
It shows a direction in which way ms want to go. And it´s not conspiracy that they WILL sell all possible data they can get to facebook and co.*
*facebook and co. refers to companies that want informations in general
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On May 28 2013 03:42 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 02:55 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 28 2013 02:49 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2013 23:16 dcemuser wrote:On May 26 2013 02:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 02:18 s3rp wrote:On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens! You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam. I do think Kinect can be used for cool things ( was even shown) . If and thats a big if it wasn't directly connected to a machine that needs to check-in to a company server every 24hours and sends collected Data to it that the company can directly sell or flat out give to just about anyone they wish. Yeah that's kind of how I look at it. It's impressive tech but the privacy issues are beyond absurd. Can't believe MS are even trying to go down that path. Said the opponents of the radio, the telephone, photographs, film, television, computers, the internet, cell phones, and basically anything done past the invention of the wheel. In this case, as usual, the privacy issues are concerns of people who have no clue how technology works. A) Everyone and their mother and their mother's server admin is going to notice if Xbox One transmits absolute fucktons of data back to Microsoft for normal Kinect usage. B) Seriously, people propose that Microsoft is going to analyze hundreds of thousands of gamers each with hours upon hours of video/microphone/real-life telemetry per week. The processing power, data storage, and internet requirements do not EXIST to handle that much data in one place. Twitch is a professional service that serves less than a million simultaneous users on probably less than 2000-3000 streams at once and can't hold its servers stable and people are suggesting that this is possible? If Microsoft could pull anything even close to what is being suggested, we should just hand them the keys to planet Earth and say "go crazy". If we were living in 2150, you'd have a point. I'd be agreeing and nodding my head. In 2013, the people making these 'privacy concern' arguments look crazy. Seriously. You might as well make the argument that your cell phone is recording all of your calls because it's a vastly more valid argument than the Kinect 2.0 one. Audio data by itself is quite small, FYI. Also, if MS (already a giant tech corporation with a lot of server overhead) wanted to track millions, they could. Twitch handles tons of people watching live video streaming and was organized without major funding that MS has available, youtube handles even more than that. Both Twitch and Youtube are FREE, the xbone costs money (even monthly). Then you also have to account for the potential funding from the government to help them get it put in. Just remember this, facebook had 190k servers last year and is able to keep up with millions upon millions of people accessing it (over 618 million daily). MS claims to be using 300k for the xbone. People are simply naive. No one thinks MS would do something so shady, but they can and will ^_^ They would have nothing to gain and everything to lose. People are not being naive, they are being realistic. Conspiracy theories are blown way out of proportion because of the trend in popular media to show totalitarian societies, a la big brother. Your mobile phone might right now be transmitting everything you do to "the man". But you don't believe that, do you?
i posted this before. google Carrier IQ
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A lot of hate for this XBOX ONE, Im sticking with my Wii
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There will be not be such an incredible amount of data coming from the console that they could disguise whatever they wanted. Packet analysis can and will happen very quickly. Data usage will be strictly monitored. Your example of streaming is horrible since most people don't stream anyway, so if they could only spy on streamers, then that's a useless surveillance system.
It's technically possible that they could somehow choose to only do it to an -incredibly- small amount of people, so that nobody would ever know, since the chances of them hitting an Xbox One owner who understands networking technology is probably low in the first place, and then that person would have to be interested enough to track the data usage of the console.
However, even that scenario is super risky for Microsoft.
On May 28 2013 03:54 Fruscainte wrote:
This isn't mindless rambling. Microsoft recently filed a patent that will allow the Kinect to "determine" your current emotional state and crossreference that with recent social media posts to target advertisements depending on how you're feeling on that very moment. Another patent filed by Microsoft describes how the Kinect can detect and discern with high tech facial recognition software how many people are in a room watching a movie so it can determine if it needs to restrict the content and charge additional user-licenses allowed to watch the content. In an investor summit, Dennis Durkin suggested the Kinect will be able to identify objects or clothing, such as a football jersey someone is wearing, and target advertisements based on that data.
The Kinect is an unprecedented case of Corporate data-mining and control. In the Kinect 2.0's world, your TV watches you more than you watch it through an always-on microphone, a camera so sensitive it can discern your emotional state in total darkness, and your life being collected and categorized automatically for the explicitly stated purpose of advertising more directly targeted towards you.
I wish this were true; it'd be a massive step forward in technology. Unfortunately, they're patents, and Microsoft loves to patent war over irrelevant shit, so it doesn't prove anything.
On May 28 2013 03:54 Fruscainte wrote:
Also, it's a very, very, very common thing for Webcams to be hacked. Digital crime is on the rise, and even major corporations are being hacked. Do you feel comfortable putting an always on recording powerful camera in your home like described above when there's a very real threat an outside party could hack into it and view your life without your permission or any way of knowing it's happening?
It's staggering how smart you think Microsoft is and how stupid you think everyone outside Microsoft is - that you take at face value their patents claiming to have revolutionized everything ever and think nobody else can figure it out. If they're watching us, we'll know, we'll tell you, then you can flip out.
If you think there is a risk, don't buy it in the first two days. Wait until people have learned everything about it, then make a real decision instead of raving on the forums about something you don't understand.
Flipping out preemptively over things that could POTENTIALLY happen just makes you a conspiracy nut because you don't consider the consequences of these actions. If Microsoft was discovered to do this, it would end them. It would just flat-out ruin the company.
You're proposing they're willing to take that level of risk for some fucking third-party ad data? Really? I thought you were proposing that they were brilliant, and now apparently they're stupid.
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I'm very sad that Microsoft only focuses on NA. Everything we saw can't be used by anyone living outside of US/CA. (Maybe it'll work in Great Britain?)
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In Australia we have a cap on our monthly Internet. If the console is online only, I won't be buying it. Was very happy with my ps3, had no problems at all in like 7 years, nothing with this Xbox one makes me feel like I should switch
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On May 28 2013 21:33 dcemuser wrote:
stuff.
So in summary:
Even though Microsoft has said this is what the Kinect 2.0 is for, this is what it does, this is all the intended purposes of the Kinect 2.0 and are bragging about these features that completely violate your privacy and have filed government patents related to these things they are bragging about being in the Kinect 2.0, you're saying I'm a conspiracy nut and don't have any room to criticize Microsoft's privacy views with the Kinect 2.0 because I don't own a Kinect and can't make an assumption without owning one myself?
Brilliant.
Also, I love how you say something which would just completely destroy the concept of privacy and give corporations the ability to spy on their customers lives as something that is an awesome leap forward in technology and it's "unfortunate" and it's something you wish would happen. Facebook already collects and categorizes their users personal info for ad data for millions of users with 130,000 servers -- you don't think Microsoft can do the same exact thing with the data gathered by the Kinect with their 300,000 servers dedicated to the XBox One?
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People must really like Halo and Gears to even be considering purchasing this system at this point. The Kinect and the potential issues and abuses that go with it are mind-boggling the more I think and hear about it.
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Just waiting for the day you notice your Amazon recommendations are all pulled from the conversation you had the night before.
Be wary of what you say around your XBone when drunk, high or horny.
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On May 29 2013 02:46 adwodon wrote:
Just waiting for the day you notice your Amazon recommendations are all pulled from the conversation you had the night before.
Be wary of what you say around your XBone when drunk, high or horny.
It knows what people want ? Damn, I should by this for my GF !
I think that the strongest part of ps3/x360 was that you put games in and played. doesnt metter if your / theirs internet is down. You just played the games on it.
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On May 28 2013 02:49 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 23:16 dcemuser wrote:On May 26 2013 02:48 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 02:18 s3rp wrote:On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens! You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam. I do think Kinect can be used for cool things ( was even shown) . If and thats a big if it wasn't directly connected to a machine that needs to check-in to a company server every 24hours and sends collected Data to it that the company can directly sell or flat out give to just about anyone they wish. Yeah that's kind of how I look at it. It's impressive tech but the privacy issues are beyond absurd. Can't believe MS are even trying to go down that path. Said the opponents of the radio, the telephone, photographs, film, television, computers, the internet, cell phones, and basically anything done past the invention of the wheel. In this case, as usual, the privacy issues are concerns of people who have no clue how technology works. A) Everyone and their mother and their mother's server admin is going to notice if Xbox One transmits absolute fucktons of data back to Microsoft for normal Kinect usage. B) Seriously, people propose that Microsoft is going to analyze hundreds of thousands of gamers each with hours upon hours of video/microphone/real-life telemetry per week. The processing power, data storage, and internet requirements do not EXIST to handle that much data in one place. Twitch is a professional service that serves less than a million simultaneous users on probably less than 2000-3000 streams at once and can't hold its servers stable and people are suggesting that this is possible? If Microsoft could pull anything even close to what is being suggested, we should just hand them the keys to planet Earth and say "go crazy". If we were living in 2150, you'd have a point. I'd be agreeing and nodding my head. In 2013, the people making these 'privacy concern' arguments look crazy. Seriously. You might as well make the argument that your cell phone is recording all of your calls because it's a vastly more valid argument than the Kinect 2.0 one. Audio data by itself is quite small, FYI. Also, if MS (already a giant tech corporation with a lot of server overhead) wanted to track millions, they could. Twitch handles tons of people watching live video streaming and was organized without major funding that MS has available, youtube handles even more than that. Both Twitch and Youtube are FREE, the xbone costs money (even monthly). Then you also have to account for the potential funding from the government to help them get it put in. Just remember this, facebook had 190k servers last year and is able to keep up with millions upon millions of people accessing it (over 618 million daily). MS claims to be using 300k for the xbone.
Of course, audio can be compressed quite a bit. However, to analyze it, you have to use a tremendous amount of processing power, and the same with video. Ideally, you would offset this by running the analysis on each machine (which it does already while active). The catch is that you would notice if it's doing this 100% of the time, since the processing power that is needed is quite large for doing real-time analysis of either video or audio (and even more for both).
If they instead record and send the data offsite for analysis, we'll see the footprint in the transmission. Encoding and compressing audio and/or video, again, takes a lot of processing power (not as much as analysis, but still quite a bit), so they would have to send it raw or minimally compressed, which greatly increases the network footprint.
Either way, if they snoop, people will notice and raise a fuss. No need to throw a fit over it before it launches though.
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Question: I just bought a brand new Halo game from the store for my xbox 1. Will I buy shipping a fee to microsoft in order to play my brand new game?
If the answer is yes I am getting a PS4
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