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naastyOne
Profile Joined April 2012
491 Posts
May 26 2013 22:34 GMT
#1561
Is it just me, or the PC won the next generation?
Between cheap games,huge discounts on steam and other digital retailers, great backwards compatibility,way bigger flexibility for work and such, perfectly competitive hardware price after arround 1 year after console release, and a tonne of high quality PC exclusive games(SC2, LOL, DOTA 2, World of Tanks, MMOs, ex), and being way less of a DRM-prison, i just can not see why would you pick the "worse version of PC" which the next generation of consoles(Xbox&Ps4) is trying to be.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
May 26 2013 22:41 GMT
#1562
On May 27 2013 07:34 naastyOne wrote:
Is it just me, or the PC won the next generation?
Between cheap games,huge discounts on steam and other digital retailers, great backwards compatibility,way bigger flexibility for work and such, perfectly competitive hardware price after arround 1 year after console release, and a tonne of high quality PC exclusive games(SC2, LOL, DOTA 2, World of Tanks, MMOs, ex), and being way less of a DRM-prison, i just can not see why would you pick the "worse version of PC" which the next generation of consoles(Xbox&Ps4) is trying to be.


People are too stupid to game with a PC on a large scale. Controllers and the simplicity of using a console will always win out over the superiority of the PC.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11808 Posts
May 26 2013 22:47 GMT
#1563
True. PC's have been superior to consoles in every way for years now, people still play on consoles for some weird reason.
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
May 26 2013 22:55 GMT
#1564
On May 27 2013 07:34 naastyOne wrote:
Is it just me, or the PC won the next generation?
Between cheap games,huge discounts on steam and other digital retailers, great backwards compatibility,way bigger flexibility for work and such, perfectly competitive hardware price after arround 1 year after console release, and a tonne of high quality PC exclusive games(SC2, LOL, DOTA 2, World of Tanks, MMOs, ex), and being way less of a DRM-prison, i just can not see why would you pick the "worse version of PC" which the next generation of consoles(Xbox&Ps4) is trying to be.


Kids. Parent's either A) don't know how to build a computer or B) Think it costs a lot more than it really does so they just buy their kid a console. It's also a lot easier to have a lan party or play with friends when you're 12 if you have a console vs. a computer.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 26 2013 22:59 GMT
#1565
On May 27 2013 07:55 Infernal_dream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 07:34 naastyOne wrote:
Is it just me, or the PC won the next generation?
Between cheap games,huge discounts on steam and other digital retailers, great backwards compatibility,way bigger flexibility for work and such, perfectly competitive hardware price after arround 1 year after console release, and a tonne of high quality PC exclusive games(SC2, LOL, DOTA 2, World of Tanks, MMOs, ex), and being way less of a DRM-prison, i just can not see why would you pick the "worse version of PC" which the next generation of consoles(Xbox&Ps4) is trying to be.


Kids. Parent's either A) don't know how to build a computer or B) Think it costs a lot more than it really does so they just buy their kid a console. It's also a lot easier to have a lan party or play with friends when you're 12 if you have a console vs. a computer.


I agree. I just cannot warp my head around to why people play console games...

Sure, I can't play FFXIII on PC and I am jelly about it, but it just doesn't seem to be worth the cost for me.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
FluffyBinLaden
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States527 Posts
May 26 2013 23:05 GMT
#1566
On May 27 2013 07:59 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 07:55 Infernal_dream wrote:
On May 27 2013 07:34 naastyOne wrote:
Is it just me, or the PC won the next generation?
Between cheap games,huge discounts on steam and other digital retailers, great backwards compatibility,way bigger flexibility for work and such, perfectly competitive hardware price after arround 1 year after console release, and a tonne of high quality PC exclusive games(SC2, LOL, DOTA 2, World of Tanks, MMOs, ex), and being way less of a DRM-prison, i just can not see why would you pick the "worse version of PC" which the next generation of consoles(Xbox&Ps4) is trying to be.


Kids. Parent's either A) don't know how to build a computer or B) Think it costs a lot more than it really does so they just buy their kid a console. It's also a lot easier to have a lan party or play with friends when you're 12 if you have a console vs. a computer.


I agree. I just cannot warp my head around to why people play console games...

Sure, I can't play FFXIII on PC and I am jelly about it, but it just doesn't seem to be worth the cost for me.


It's not even close to worth the cost. On a PC you have so much more raw power and infrastructure to do anything you want to. You just need to do a little learning, and you can do any damn thing you'd like. It's... a shame, really, that more people don't realize that.
Riddles in the Dark. Answers in the Light.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
May 26 2013 23:05 GMT
#1567
On May 27 2013 07:32 a176 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 07:27 FallDownMarigold wrote:
I heard that wearing a tin foil hat while playing the Xbox1 will prevent the kinect from monitoring you


feel free to google about Carrier IQ


Nah, wasn't implying anything serious nor do I have any clue what Carrier IQ is or how it's relevant to me making a lame joke heh
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
May 26 2013 23:10 GMT
#1568
Its been said a billion times already, a lot of the games I want to play are not on PC. I dont give a shit about LoL, Dota2, or just about any of the PC exclusive games (SC2 excepted). I cant play Dragons Dogma, MGS, uncharted, Bayonetta, Xenoblade, Final Fantasy, God of War, Ninja Gaiden, kingdom hearts.... plus the PSN/XBL indie games. While I own a gaming pc and use it for multiplat games, the vast majority of games i wanna play are only on console.
naniwa fighting!!!
FeUerFlieGe
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1193 Posts
May 26 2013 23:16 GMT
#1569
On May 27 2013 07:41 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 07:34 naastyOne wrote:
Is it just me, or the PC won the next generation?
Between cheap games,huge discounts on steam and other digital retailers, great backwards compatibility,way bigger flexibility for work and such, perfectly competitive hardware price after arround 1 year after console release, and a tonne of high quality PC exclusive games(SC2, LOL, DOTA 2, World of Tanks, MMOs, ex), and being way less of a DRM-prison, i just can not see why would you pick the "worse version of PC" which the next generation of consoles(Xbox&Ps4) is trying to be.


People are too stupid to game with a PC on a large scale. Controllers and the simplicity of using a console will always win out over the superiority of the PC.


I can always plug a controller into the PC...
To unpathed waters, undreamed shores. - Shakespeare
TJ31
Profile Joined October 2012
630 Posts
May 26 2013 23:22 GMT
#1570
On May 27 2013 07:47 Simberto wrote:
True. PC's have been superior to consoles in every way for years now, people still play on consoles for some weird reason.

Exclusives. MGS, JRPGs, quality racing games (GT and Forza) etc etc.
Also terrible consoles ports, such as DMC, Dark Souls and much more. I don't want to suffer while playing those just because devs didn't bothered to optimize anything for PCs.

As I always say, take the best from both worlds. Exclusives on consoles, superior graphics/mods/some specific PC genres (rts and mmorpgs mostly) on PC. I don't have to choose one platform, after all I'm playing games, not consoles/hardware.

As for Xbox1... Can't see myself getting one during the first year after release at all. Terrible ideas, so many terrible ideas. While games will come as well, I'm sure 90% of those will be multiplatform, so if I'll want to play those, I will do it on PS4.
But if I ever get that XboxTV, it will need some modification for sure, like adhesive tape for kinect lol.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
May 26 2013 23:39 GMT
#1571
On May 27 2013 08:16 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 07:41 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On May 27 2013 07:34 naastyOne wrote:
Is it just me, or the PC won the next generation?
Between cheap games,huge discounts on steam and other digital retailers, great backwards compatibility,way bigger flexibility for work and such, perfectly competitive hardware price after arround 1 year after console release, and a tonne of high quality PC exclusive games(SC2, LOL, DOTA 2, World of Tanks, MMOs, ex), and being way less of a DRM-prison, i just can not see why would you pick the "worse version of PC" which the next generation of consoles(Xbox&Ps4) is trying to be.


People are too stupid to game with a PC on a large scale. Controllers and the simplicity of using a console will always win out over the superiority of the PC.


I can always plug a controller into the PC...


Not all games are conducive to that.

And didn't I just mention that people are stupid?
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
May 26 2013 23:39 GMT
#1572
imagine yourself (if you will) group chatting with your teammates on your over skype while discussing and organizing tonight's upcoming match. now, imagine you are doing this during lunch on your mobile phone and regardless of where your teammates are they get the message and are able to respond. at the same time, you are able to contact the opposing team's leader and confirm a time. once that's done you setup a calendar appointment and setup reminders for each of your teammates (there's nothing worse than teammates late for a match!)

the day's over, you hop in your car which happens to have bluetooth hands free integration. traffic is moving a little slower than usual today. you skype call your go-to-guy and inform him that you may be a little late and he should try to round up everyone because you won't be home in time to do it yourself like you normally do.

half an hour later, you hit your front door, yell "XBOX ON" as you step inside and shed your backpack, bag, or what have you. you play out your match and win. it was pretty fun.

you think there could've been improvement though, not that anyone in particular played badly (except gary; gary always plays badly), so you organize a skype video chat with everyone while sharing the replay. long after the replay is over and constructive criticism has been dispensed while shooting the shit, you receive a notification that the season finale of your favorite show is on in 30 mins.

you say your goodbyes and do some chores (like eating and junk like that) before streaming favorite show on your computer over the network via your xbox whilst checking your emails. it was a good episode. your post on facebook got 8 likes.

you're a little tired but not quite ready for bed so you grab your tablet and watch some local news (again streaming from your xbox) in bed before finally turning in.

from a gaming perspective the xbox one is kind of a let down (if you can even say that -- since really its gaming capabilities are yet unproven). but from a business and user perspective, the convergence of all your electronic devices and the ability to create a persistent and seamless user experience is unimaginably awesome. not only does it give microsoft a ubiquitous presence in your home, but it effectively usurps google's search dominance by introducing an additional layer (for lack of a better word) before you hit the browser, and has the potential to build a far more cohesive ecosystem than android.

desktop, phone, xbox, tablet all running windows? no problem, we'll make sharing apps, storage, contacts, EVERYTHING extremely convenient. it all depends on microsoft's execution, but it would be pretty amazing if they pull this off correctly.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
May 26 2013 23:54 GMT
#1573
On May 27 2013 08:22 TJ31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 07:47 Simberto wrote:
True. PC's have been superior to consoles in every way for years now, people still play on consoles for some weird reason.

Exclusives. MGS, JRPGs, quality racing games (GT and Forza) etc etc.
Also terrible consoles ports, such as DMC, Dark Souls and much more. I don't want to suffer while playing those just because devs didn't bothered to optimize anything for PCs.

As I always say, take the best from both worlds. Exclusives on consoles, superior graphics/mods/some specific PC genres (rts and mmorpgs mostly) on PC. I don't have to choose one platform, after all I'm playing games, not consoles/hardware.

As for Xbox1... Can't see myself getting one during the first year after release at all. Terrible ideas, so many terrible ideas. While games will come as well, I'm sure 90% of those will be multiplatform, so if I'll want to play those, I will do it on PS4.
But if I ever get that XboxTV, it will need some modification for sure, like adhesive tape for kinect lol.


Uhh, most of the games you named (aside from Dark Souls honestly) are just riding the name. The latest versions of all those games are fucking terrible. And any new exclusives or ones you didn't name (FF 13 for example or uncharted) aren't enough to justify buying a complete system for 200 dollars worth of games. The system itself costs 3 or 4x the amount of money it costs to buy whatever exclusives you want. Dark souls nor DMC were terribly ported to be quite honest. They ran exactly like they did on the console, I don't know why you call that a terrible port. That's the definition of a port. Why would you play it on xbox but bitch about the way it's played on PC when it's the same exact game? That's backwards logic, it's also the reason games aren't ported over and so on. Because they know people will just buy a console to play the shit, and play a shittier version compared to if they developed it for PC.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
May 27 2013 00:31 GMT
#1574
On May 27 2013 08:22 TJ31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 07:47 Simberto wrote:
True. PC's have been superior to consoles in every way for years now, people still play on consoles for some weird reason.

Exclusives. MGS, JRPGs, quality racing games (GT and Forza) etc etc.
Also terrible consoles ports, such as DMC, Dark Souls and much more. I don't want to suffer while playing those just because devs didn't bothered to optimize anything for PCs.

As I always say, take the best from both worlds. Exclusives on consoles, superior graphics/mods/some specific PC genres (rts and mmorpgs mostly) on PC. I don't have to choose one platform, after all I'm playing games, not consoles/hardware.

As for Xbox1... Can't see myself getting one during the first year after release at all. Terrible ideas, so many terrible ideas. While games will come as well, I'm sure 90% of those will be multiplatform, so if I'll want to play those, I will do it on PS4.
But if I ever get that XboxTV, it will need some modification for sure, like adhesive tape for kinect lol.

I havent seen a console port that was bad if you just had a controller to plug in. Also, since all of the new consoles utilize a very similar core to a PC there should be 0 issues porting to PC this generation.
On May 27 2013 07:09 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 07:01 Masheyoon wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:46 Djzapz wrote:
On May 27 2013 06:40 Masheyoon wrote:
Wow... as if Microsoft couldn't fail any harder, the voice commands were not in real time during the press event. I can't believe how much coprorate bull is oozing out of Microsoft. It's... hilarious and tragic at the same time.

Oh, and about the used games debacle:

"The first sale doctrine, codified at 17 U.S.C. § 109, provides that an individual who knowingly purchases a copy of a copyrighted work from the copyright holder receives the right to sell, display or otherwise dispose of that particular copy, notwithstanding the interests of the copyright owner. The right to distribute ends however, once the owner has sold that particular copy."

I think the Xbox One is a disaster in the making but did anybody actually think the voice commands were in real time during the press event? There's wouldn't be any reason to do it in real time. It's a big stage with microphones and an audience, any number of things could have screwed with the system - which would have looked bad and people wouldn't have seen that it's perfectly understandable.

The conference center is not like my living room.


I understand, but I still really don't like it. They could have played it out well by doing something like "Okay, listen, we're in a conference room, so the real-time voice stuff won't work well, but let's give it a go" instead of selling the idea as though it was done in real-time. How are we, the consumers, supposed to know the thing even works decently? (I.e., speak the commands instead of shouting them over and over at the top of our lungs.) u_u

It's such a tiny little thing. Conferences always have "fake" things. The entire Galaxy S4 show was essentially staged and it's fine. They're showing us features, not demonstrating them.

Also, TV.

I dislike it just because it hides so many issues. Too many times do I try something because it looks great in their demonstrations, then I try it and learn about weird little things that make it far less entertaining and sometimes frustrating after a week of use.

I generally distrust most things online anyway though. Ever since I bought SSB Brawl because of the touted "awesome online multiplayer" that had allegedly near zero latency I just dont trust anything online from developers or major reviewers.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
May 27 2013 00:57 GMT
#1575
http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-can-talk-report-6408871

The source claimed that the Xbox One's integrated Kinect camera is capable of scanning a room and using its facial recognition software to detect foreign users. If Kinect detects someone it does not recognize, it then audibly asks this person to identify themselves. Once this is done, the Kinect saves the information to the console, according to the report.


An Orwellian nightmare?
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14106 Posts
May 27 2013 01:02 GMT
#1576
On May 27 2013 09:57 Fruscainte wrote:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-can-talk-report-6408871

Show nested quote +
The source claimed that the Xbox One's integrated Kinect camera is capable of scanning a room and using its facial recognition software to detect foreign users. If Kinect detects someone it does not recognize, it then audibly asks this person to identify themselves. Once this is done, the Kinect saves the information to the console, according to the report.


An Orwellian nightmare?

You don't have to give your real name to the kinect, it won't know. Just think of all the possibilities. Go dig up midevil kings level titles for inspiration.

or just name your friends penis.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
May 27 2013 01:04 GMT
#1577
On May 27 2013 10:02 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 09:57 Fruscainte wrote:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-can-talk-report-6408871

The source claimed that the Xbox One's integrated Kinect camera is capable of scanning a room and using its facial recognition software to detect foreign users. If Kinect detects someone it does not recognize, it then audibly asks this person to identify themselves. Once this is done, the Kinect saves the information to the console, according to the report.


An Orwellian nightmare?

You don't have to give your real name to the kinect, it won't know. Just think of all the possibilities. Go dig up midevil kings level titles for inspiration.

or just name your friends penis.


What if this person isn't gaming and doesn't want to play? Is that person still going to have to identify themselves or are they going to have to leave the room.
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Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
May 27 2013 01:12 GMT
#1578
What I don't get is, what if you're chilling there, someone walks into your house and your Kinect identifies them and then all locks up and is demanding them to identify yourself and shit. It seems super inconvenient and unnecessary.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11808 Posts
May 27 2013 01:23 GMT
#1579
But what if he is a robber! Then your Kinect just saved your life. And it can conveniently also inform the authorities of that guy that is just robbing your house. And microsoft. And all of your neighbours. And anyone who pays for that information.
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 01:30:30
May 27 2013 01:29 GMT
#1580
On May 27 2013 08:54 Infernal_dream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 08:22 TJ31 wrote:
On May 27 2013 07:47 Simberto wrote:
True. PC's have been superior to consoles in every way for years now, people still play on consoles for some weird reason.

Exclusives. MGS, JRPGs, quality racing games (GT and Forza) etc etc.
Also terrible consoles ports, such as DMC, Dark Souls and much more. I don't want to suffer while playing those just because devs didn't bothered to optimize anything for PCs.

As I always say, take the best from both worlds. Exclusives on consoles, superior graphics/mods/some specific PC genres (rts and mmorpgs mostly) on PC. I don't have to choose one platform, after all I'm playing games, not consoles/hardware.

As for Xbox1... Can't see myself getting one during the first year after release at all. Terrible ideas, so many terrible ideas. While games will come as well, I'm sure 90% of those will be multiplatform, so if I'll want to play those, I will do it on PS4.
But if I ever get that XboxTV, it will need some modification for sure, like adhesive tape for kinect lol.


Uhh, most of the games you named (aside from Dark Souls honestly) are just riding the name. The latest versions of all those games are fucking terrible. And any new exclusives or ones you didn't name (FF 13 for example or uncharted) aren't enough to justify buying a complete system for 200 dollars worth of games. The system itself costs 3 or 4x the amount of money it costs to buy whatever exclusives you want. Dark souls nor DMC were terribly ported to be quite honest. They ran exactly like they did on the console, I don't know why you call that a terrible port. That's the definition of a port. Why would you play it on xbox but bitch about the way it's played on PC when it's the same exact game? That's backwards logic, it's also the reason games aren't ported over and so on. Because they know people will just buy a console to play the shit, and play a shittier version compared to if they developed it for PC.


was just waiting for some jackass to tell you that the games you prefer are shit. Newsflash, people have different taste in games. Just because u dont like JRPGs doesnt automatically make them shit. and for the record, metal gear rising revengeance is the fucking shit.
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