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On May 26 2013 22:25 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 22:04 Mania[K]al wrote:
I love all the people in here bitching about all this cool innovative shit. (before even using it yourself.)
Yet im sure you'll all go buy the brand new Iphone 6 which is totally different from the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, without even questioning how much shit was removed or not even part of the phone anymore. Considering I was using a Nokia since I got a phone to '09, and was using one those baller as fuck slide phones with the physical keyboard from then til' January of this year and only recently got some form of Android smart phone that my brother bought for me and don't intend to buy another phone for 4-5 years because of how well this thing works for me, I say that is actually quite a ridiculous assumption to make!
Just as an aside, don't expect the phone to last that long. Maybe three years tops, but if its something like an HTC, ZTE, or pantech then you are looking at less than 2 years.
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On May 27 2013 02:06 McFeser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 22:25 Fruscainte wrote:On May 26 2013 22:04 Mania[K]al wrote:
I love all the people in here bitching about all this cool innovative shit. (before even using it yourself.)
Yet im sure you'll all go buy the brand new Iphone 6 which is totally different from the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, without even questioning how much shit was removed or not even part of the phone anymore. Considering I was using a Nokia since I got a phone to '09, and was using one those baller as fuck slide phones with the physical keyboard from then til' January of this year and only recently got some form of Android smart phone that my brother bought for me and don't intend to buy another phone for 4-5 years because of how well this thing works for me, I say that is actually quite a ridiculous assumption to make! Just as an aside, don't expect the phone to last that long. Maybe three years tops, but if its something like an HTC, ZTE, or pantech then you are looking at less than 2 years.
God I don't understand this new phone technology and shit. Why can't my phone have a 50 year battery life again.
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On May 26 2013 22:04 Mania[K]al wrote:
I love all the people in here bitching about all this cool innovative shit. (before even using it yourself.)
Yet im sure you'll all go buy the brand new Iphone 6 which is totally different from the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, without even questioning how much shit was removed or not even part of the phone anymore.
It's hardly "cool innovative shit." By all means, you can think it's cool (I don't see it but fine) but nothing they've shown so far is particular innovative. It's combining things you can already do with other devices plus an iterative version of the previous kinect. I guess you get excited over the small things in life.
Also you are just making a fool out of yourself bunching everyone not agreeing with you as iphone fanatics, it just shows you have no idea who you are talking to. But if it makes you feel better...
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On May 27 2013 02:08 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 02:06 McFeser wrote:On May 26 2013 22:25 Fruscainte wrote:On May 26 2013 22:04 Mania[K]al wrote:
I love all the people in here bitching about all this cool innovative shit. (before even using it yourself.)
Yet im sure you'll all go buy the brand new Iphone 6 which is totally different from the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, without even questioning how much shit was removed or not even part of the phone anymore. Considering I was using a Nokia since I got a phone to '09, and was using one those baller as fuck slide phones with the physical keyboard from then til' January of this year and only recently got some form of Android smart phone that my brother bought for me and don't intend to buy another phone for 4-5 years because of how well this thing works for me, I say that is actually quite a ridiculous assumption to make! Just as an aside, don't expect the phone to last that long. Maybe three years tops, but if its something like an HTC, ZTE, or pantech then you are looking at less than 2 years. God I don't understand this new phone technology and shit. Why can't my phone have a 50 year battery life again.
It could if you never used it. lol 
You might just need to replace the battery 1 1/2 - 2 years from now, and I have seen some people have phones that have lasted 5 plus years but those are always basic phones. Newer androids might last longer as the old ones were shit but it's really hard to say.
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You clearly used a straw man when I said any used game fee prices you claim to know are just a rumor then you responded by saying:
The game only has no fee if you're logged into your original account and have the disc. That is all that's confirmed.
Of course you went back and edited in your next post then threw around an insult after I called you out. Of course you're welcome to point out where I said anything about used games not having a fee.
Furthermore if you read the interview you posted it clearly has an update that says the plan has not been released which they also posted on all their PR blogs after that interview. His claims don't even make sense, used game prices are the same as new? What's the point of even having used games.
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I want you to take a long hard look at the link I posted. Yes, there was an update on the link provided that said they have not yet released their plan. Then there's an update after that, you know, at a date at a later time giving a quote from the Corporate Vice President of Microsoft saying that "the rumored "used game fee" would be equivalent to the full retail price of the game."
It's not a "claim", it's not a "rumor", it's a fact. The Corporate Vice President of Microsoft has said in an interview that the used game fee to activate the used game for the XBox One will be the full retail price of the game. That's the cost.
P.S.: What you quoted was not a strawman. I suggest you google what a strawman is, because that's not it.
used game prices are the same as new? What's the point of even having used games.
Precisely. Used Game sales as they stand right now don't give any profit to Microsoft. Microsoft doesn't get any royalties if I take one of my Xbox 360 games and sell it to a friend for $10. They want to cash in on that. It's just business. Really trashy business, but business nonetheless. You're trying to claim "trying to know the exact fees is bull", but here I am, posting a legitimate source backing up what I'm saying the fee is going to be and you are doing nothing but saying I'm strawmanning you and insulting you. I don't even understand. To quote from the same interview:
You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account.
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On May 27 2013 02:45 Fruscainte wrote:I want you to take a long hard look at the link I posted. Yes, there was an update on the link provided that said they have not yet released their plan. Then there's an update after that, you know, at a date at a later time giving a quote from the Corporate Vice President of Microsoft saying that "the rumored "used game fee" would be equivalent to the full retail price of the game."It's not a "claim", it's not a "rumor", it's a fact. The Corporate Vice President of Microsoft has said in an interview that the used game fee to activate the used game for the XBox One will be the full retail price of the game. That's the cost. P.S.: What you quoted was not a strawman. I suggest you google what a strawman is, because that's not it. Show nested quote +used game prices are the same as new? What's the point of even having used games. Precisely. Used Game sales as they stand right now don't give any profit to Microsoft. Microsoft doesn't get any royalties if I take one of my Xbox 360 games and sell it to a friend for $10. They want to cash in on that. It's just business. Really trashy business, but business nonetheless. You're trying to claim "trying to know the exact fees is bull", but here I am, posting a legitimate source backing up what I'm saying the fee is going to be and you are doing nothing but saying I'm strawmanning you and insulting you. I don't even understand. To quote from the same interview: Show nested quote +You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account.
I think you in fact need to use google. You attacked a point I never made. I'm done going back and forth with you.
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On May 27 2013 02:52 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 02:45 Fruscainte wrote:I want you to take a long hard look at the link I posted. Yes, there was an update on the link provided that said they have not yet released their plan. Then there's an update after that, you know, at a date at a later time giving a quote from the Corporate Vice President of Microsoft saying that "the rumored "used game fee" would be equivalent to the full retail price of the game."It's not a "claim", it's not a "rumor", it's a fact. The Corporate Vice President of Microsoft has said in an interview that the used game fee to activate the used game for the XBox One will be the full retail price of the game. That's the cost. P.S.: What you quoted was not a strawman. I suggest you google what a strawman is, because that's not it. used game prices are the same as new? What's the point of even having used games. Precisely. Used Game sales as they stand right now don't give any profit to Microsoft. Microsoft doesn't get any royalties if I take one of my Xbox 360 games and sell it to a friend for $10. They want to cash in on that. It's just business. Really trashy business, but business nonetheless. You're trying to claim "trying to know the exact fees is bull", but here I am, posting a legitimate source backing up what I'm saying the fee is going to be and you are doing nothing but saying I'm strawmanning you and insulting you. I don't even understand. To quote from the same interview: You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. I think you in fact need to use google. You attacked a point I never made. I'm done going back and forth with you.
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You said it's a baseless rumor for me to pretend to know what the pricing will be for used games and that I'm the problem with the current gaming industry etc. etc. for spreading such unfounded rumors.
I posted a source of Microsofts Corporate Vice President saying what the pricing of the Used Game Fee is going to be, and all you do in response is scream strawman and remove yourself from the conversation?
Come on dude, really? :|
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It's pretty obvious thats not the response I talking about.
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On May 27 2013 03:02 heliusx wrote:
It's pretty obvious thats not the response I talking about.
As an outside observer, I can tell you it was not obvious at all to me. Looking back over what was posted I still do not know what you are referring to,
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On May 27 2013 03:17 Leonite7 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 03:02 heliusx wrote:
It's pretty obvious thats not the response I talking about. As an outside observer, I can tell you it was not obvious at all to me. Looking back over what was posted I still do not know what you are referring to,
He basically called me out as being a cancer to the gaming community for making unfounded claims/rumors, I posted proof, and now he's backpedaling to draw attention away from the fact he's wrong. It's a common internet tactic honestly.
In other news, I hope Microsoft really takes note and fixes their shit because I want to play this new Halo trilogy.
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Wow... as if Microsoft couldn't fail any harder, the voice commands were not in real time during the press event. I can't believe how much coprorate bull is oozing out of Microsoft. It's... hilarious and tragic at the same time.
Oh, and about the used games debacle:
"The first sale doctrine, codified at 17 U.S.C. § 109, provides that an individual who knowingly purchases a copy of a copyrighted work from the copyright holder receives the right to sell, display or otherwise dispose of that particular copy, notwithstanding the interests of the copyright owner. The right to distribute ends however, once the owner has sold that particular copy."
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On May 26 2013 20:24 BillGates wrote:
It wasn't until basically 2 years in when they fixed half the problems and had some games to show off.
This is actually half untrue. While the 360 had major, inexcusable issues with the RRoD, it had a great selection of games from the moment it was released. The console was very much GAME-focused, as we even had classic, retro gaming with Xbox Live Arcade. In short, apart from the RRoD, the 360 turned out to be an excellent gaming console. All of that has gone down the toilet, however. And factually speaking, it was the PS3 that had issues with releasing quality games during its first or so year.
Shame M$ had to screw this one up so badly.
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Yeah, but companies nowadays don't sell you copies of copyrighted material, they sell you the license to use it, or some other legalese BS.
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On May 27 2013 06:40 Masheyoon wrote:Wow... as if Microsoft couldn't fail any harder, the voice commands were not in real time during the press event. I can't believe how much coprorate bull is oozing out of Microsoft. It's... hilarious and tragic at the same time. Oh, and about the used games debacle: Show nested quote +"The first sale doctrine, codified at 17 U.S.C. § 109, provides that an individual who knowingly purchases a copy of a copyrighted work from the copyright holder receives the right to sell, display or otherwise dispose of that particular copy, notwithstanding the interests of the copyright owner. The right to distribute ends however, once the owner has sold that particular copy."
I think the Xbox One is a disaster in the making but did anybody actually think the voice commands were in real time during the press event? There's wouldn't be any reason to do it in real time. It's a big stage with microphones and an audience, any number of things could have screwed with the system - which would have looked bad and people wouldn't have seen that it's perfectly understandable.
The conference center is not like my living room.
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On May 27 2013 06:46 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 06:40 Masheyoon wrote:Wow... as if Microsoft couldn't fail any harder, the voice commands were not in real time during the press event. I can't believe how much coprorate bull is oozing out of Microsoft. It's... hilarious and tragic at the same time. Oh, and about the used games debacle: "The first sale doctrine, codified at 17 U.S.C. § 109, provides that an individual who knowingly purchases a copy of a copyrighted work from the copyright holder receives the right to sell, display or otherwise dispose of that particular copy, notwithstanding the interests of the copyright owner. The right to distribute ends however, once the owner has sold that particular copy." I think the Xbox One is a disaster in the making but did anybody actually think the voice commands were in real time during the press event? There's wouldn't be any reason to do it in real time. It's a big stage with microphones and an audience, any number of things could have screwed with the system - which would have looked bad and people wouldn't have seen that it's perfectly understandable. The conference center is not like my living room.
I understand, but I still really don't like it. They could have played it out well by doing something like "Okay, listen, we're in a conference room, so the real-time voice stuff won't work well, but let's give it a go" instead of selling the idea as though it was done in real-time. How are we, the consumers, supposed to know the thing even works decently? (I.e., speak the commands instead of shouting them over and over at the top of our lungs.) u_u
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On May 27 2013 07:01 Masheyoon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 06:46 Djzapz wrote:On May 27 2013 06:40 Masheyoon wrote:Wow... as if Microsoft couldn't fail any harder, the voice commands were not in real time during the press event. I can't believe how much coprorate bull is oozing out of Microsoft. It's... hilarious and tragic at the same time. Oh, and about the used games debacle: "The first sale doctrine, codified at 17 U.S.C. § 109, provides that an individual who knowingly purchases a copy of a copyrighted work from the copyright holder receives the right to sell, display or otherwise dispose of that particular copy, notwithstanding the interests of the copyright owner. The right to distribute ends however, once the owner has sold that particular copy." I think the Xbox One is a disaster in the making but did anybody actually think the voice commands were in real time during the press event? There's wouldn't be any reason to do it in real time. It's a big stage with microphones and an audience, any number of things could have screwed with the system - which would have looked bad and people wouldn't have seen that it's perfectly understandable. The conference center is not like my living room. I understand, but I still really don't like it. They could have played it out well by doing something like "Okay, listen, we're in a conference room, so the real-time voice stuff won't work well, but let's give it a go" instead of selling the idea as though it was done in real-time. How are we, the consumers, supposed to know the thing even works decently? (I.e., speak the commands instead of shouting them over and over at the top of our lungs.) u_u
It's such a tiny little thing. Conferences always have "fake" things. The entire Galaxy S4 show was essentially staged and it's fine. They're showing us features, not demonstrating them.
Also, TV.
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I heard that wearing a tin foil hat while playing the Xbox1 will prevent the kinect from monitoring you 
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On May 27 2013 07:27 FallDownMarigold wrote:I heard that wearing a tin foil hat while playing the Xbox1 will prevent the kinect from monitoring you
feel free to google about Carrier IQ
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