On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote: As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one
I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens!
You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam.
Kinect in engineering projects has nothing to do with some silly game console that happens to have kinect hardware included in it's package.
The way it sounds though the new Kinect and the new Xbox won't function without the other which could pose some problem not only technologically also legally is a very real possibility . I'd think you're going to need to basically kill alot of function of the new Kinect which in return could also be used for people that flat out don't want to use the Kinect with their Xbox all the time which i would guess is something MS really doesn't want.
All speculation though at this point.
They've confirmed that the new Xbox won't work without the new Kinect, but haven't confirmed that the new Kinect won't work without the new Xbox.
I don't think it's out of the world to speculate that it won't without major modification. ( I do think the new Kinect will need to check into the Internet via the Xbox every now and then . ) I'm not sure how happy MS is with people they can't control toying around with products in ways they didn't intend for and can't really control . This whole press conference and the following relases gave me the indication they want more control over their products in general.
They're seeing the profit in this if they can get away with it.
Look at all the millions Facebook makes from advertising information people choose to send to them and Facebook turns around and sells to advertising companies and the like. Imagine the billions of dollars Microsoft can make with information like:
- Exactly how many people watched a show and how long you watched it - What jokes are being laughed at in a show - At points in shows are people walking away for a piss break - If people are watching your commercials or just dicking off on the internet - What peoples emotional reactions are to certain commercials or shows - What products people watching specific shows like to drink or eat - What demographics of people are watching certain shows and using certain products on their couches - What times of day you're watching shows, have friends over, what games you're playing at what times, etc.
And since the XBox One requires essential 24/7 internet access to work, you can guarantee that data is being sent all day every day at all times. God just reading this makes me seem tinfoil hat as fuck, but you can look up the patents and interviews yourself. It's weird.
I don't think it's wierd it's just the next step in a very troublesome gradual development . I just hope customers finally stop supporting this development . Which i'm really not sure about.
On May 26 2013 02:47 vidium wrote: I can't wait for the future news headlines: Man saved from heart attack thanks to his xboxone. After the kinects camera detected that the users heart stoped beating it automatically dialed 911.And than the guy said: xbox one was the best investment of my life! Thank you Microsoft!
Hahaha genius. Xbox One will become the new medicalert bracelet! The largest demographic would be octogenarians.
I can't believe they're forcing people to use this shit.
That's not the Xbox One...
You may notice that it is a Kinect.
That is mandatory to use with your Xbox One.
Yes, a kinect will be mandatory to use the Xbox One, However, that is not the kinect that will be required. That is a very very old kinect that is nowhere at close to as good as the Kinect 2.0.
Alright, propose a system then that would stop a Kinect from using the voices from speakers as commands.
They demonstrated the system that should stop it in 99% of cases. The prefix "xbox" is required for it to accept any commands. So you have to say "xbox stop" and not just "stop". They can also do lip tracking most likely.
I dont think it is going to do as bad as we all think. At work today, somebody asked another guy "did you see the new xbox yet?" to which the guy responded no, and the guy who asked the question said "it looks awesome!" I suspect that the kinect demonstration might actually pull a lot of people in for that gimmick alone, to them it is like minority report screen controls cool.
Basically, everybody that is familiar with technology (us) hates it and anybody that is a bit more "mainstream" thinks it looks amazing.
Well, we'll see how well the kinect 2.0 really works. Sure they had the previous version as some form of massive beta test but I have a hard time seeing it become anything else than a gimmick and hence have little to no future (long perspective).
I can't believe they're forcing people to use this shit.
That's not the Xbox One...
You may notice that it is a Kinect.
That is mandatory to use with your Xbox One.
Yes, a kinect will be mandatory to use the Xbox One, However, that is not the kinect that will be required. That is a very very old kinect that is nowhere at close to as good as the Kinect 2.0.
Alright, propose a system then that would stop a Kinect from using the voices from speakers as commands.
It's an inherent issue with something like this.
This is just icing though. Them forcing me to use a kinect at all times and using the kinect to monitor my heartbeat and my facial emotions and leaving the microphone on at all times even when powdered down and them reserving the right to share whatever information they gather with third parties is disgusting. As much as I love Halo, I love my privacy even more. I'm not going to spend $600 for a console and hundreds of dollars for games and controllers just to have a camera spy on me when I'm playing games to make sure too many people aren't enjoying content so they can force me to pay more or to spy on what can of soda I'm holding while watching the Super Bowl so they can give me a T.V. achievement. I don't appreciate the idea of it "analyzing" my facial expressions so it can target ads at me, worst of all.
Is this actually what the system will be able to do?
Jeez what happened to the days you could just buy a game, plug it in and play and it ended there...
On May 26 2013 06:29 TheRabidDeer wrote: Basically, everybody that is familiar with technology (us) hates it and anybody that is a bit more "mainstream" thinks it looks amazing.
No, this is what people say to think that they think they're better than others.
The voice recognition and tracking is really cool and interesting, and it's cool that Microsoft is the one stepping up to push this kind of technology forward because they already have a really good platform to try out these "innovations", rather than having a random company show up in the next couple years to do this exact thing that Microsoft is trying out now.
I don't mind the Kinect if I can just turn it around and have it face the floor - not sure if that's been mentioned yet.
On May 26 2013 10:28 Ryder. wrote: Jeez what happened to the days you could just buy a game, plug it in and play and it ended there...
What happened to the days where your phone only called people? What happened to the day where your computer was only used for computing numbers? This is attempting to move forward technology. And attempting is better than not, I would guess.
On May 26 2013 06:29 TheRabidDeer wrote: Basically, everybody that is familiar with technology (us) hates it and anybody that is a bit more "mainstream" thinks it looks amazing.
No, this is what people say to think that they think they're better than others.
The voice recognition and tracking is really cool and interesting, and it's cool that Microsoft is the one stepping up to push this kind of technology forward because they already have a really good platform to try out these "innovations", rather than having a random company show up in the next couple years to do this exact thing that Microsoft is trying out now.
I don't mind the Kinect if I can just turn it around and have it face the floor - not sure if that's been mentioned yet.
On May 26 2013 10:28 Ryder. wrote: Jeez what happened to the days you could just buy a game, plug it in and play and it ended there...
What happened to the days where your phone only called people? What happened to the day where your computer was only used for computing numbers? This is attempting to move forward technology. And attempting is better than not, I would guess.
It has to detect you via its IR camera for it to work, sorry to disappoint.
I bet if the government came out tomorrow and said that all of our TV's in every room have cameras on them to monitor our behavior and make sure we aren't criminals you'd say something of the notion of "Remember when phones were only to call people?! How can you say TV's are only for watching TV shows!" No matter how much Deus Ex you play, technological improvement =/= inherently good. No, I don't think I'm better than others but I do think I value my privacy a lot more than others who would willingly throw it away because they want to play the next Halo or something.
I don't give two fucking shits how "innovative" you think Microsoft is being, I'm not going to spend hundreds of dollars, probably in the range of $600, to have Microsoft put a camera in my house to monitor me, my heartbeat, my emotions, the people in my house, when I'm watching TV and when I'm not, what I watch and at what specific times, when I watch commercials or when I take a piss, and a microphone to listen to my conversations so they can gather this data to target ads to me and sell this information to companies so they can push products towards me. It's absolutely disgusting a company can tell you:
"Our new innovative camera will scan the room to detect which products you are using so we can give you..uh..achievements for drinking Mountain Dew during the Super Bowl!"
And you freak out about how fantastic of a technological feat this is and not why the hell is this random company VIDEO TAPING ME IN MY HOUSE.
Also, what's with that line of saying some "random company" will come along and just do it anyways? Is it somehow okay that a company is video taping our houses and our personal lives, listening on our conversations and monitoring our emotions and the people in our home if it's Microsoft? I don't want to jump the gun and call you a fanboy, but the evidence is kind of pointing towards that man.
TL;DR - Technological Progress =/= Inherently Good. It would be really interesting and cool if we could invent a Death Star, but that doesn't mean I actually want to will one into existence and give someone that kind of power it would actually bring.
^ wait, the microphone is always on as long as its plugged in? wow, that's kinda bizzare lol. Why doesn't it get activated once you put in a game or something. I rarely buy consoles because I prefer PC so I likely won't be getting an xbox 1 but the above stated reasons are quite scary XD
On May 26 2013 12:01 BigFan wrote: ^ wait, the microphone is always on as long as its plugged in? wow, that's kinda bizzare lol. Why doesn't it get activated once you put in a game or something. I rarely buy consoles because I prefer PC so I likely won't be getting an xbox 1 but the above stated reasons are quite scary XD
Well yeah.
Think about it, it has to always be on. That's why the system can be off and you can say something like "Xbox, turn on" and it will turn on despite being shut down.
On May 26 2013 06:29 TheRabidDeer wrote: Basically, everybody that is familiar with technology (us) hates it and anybody that is a bit more "mainstream" thinks it looks amazing.
No, this is what people say to think that they think they're better than others.
The voice recognition and tracking is really cool and interesting, and it's cool that Microsoft is the one stepping up to push this kind of technology forward because they already have a really good platform to try out these "innovations", rather than having a random company show up in the next couple years to do this exact thing that Microsoft is trying out now.
I don't mind the Kinect if I can just turn it around and have it face the floor - not sure if that's been mentioned yet.
On May 26 2013 10:28 Ryder. wrote: Jeez what happened to the days you could just buy a game, plug it in and play and it ended there...
What happened to the days where your phone only called people? What happened to the day where your computer was only used for computing numbers? This is attempting to move forward technology. And attempting is better than not, I would guess.
I have to admit that this is a bit ignorant of a post...
Lots of people like their privacy. Fuck them, right? There is a difference between having advancements in the technology and having a IR camera and microphone integrated into the console itself (marketing). Also, I can understand why people are paranoid with having console having to be connected to the net (yea sure there might be an option where it can only connect with your permission but I'm sure others don't know it at the same time).
BTW the specs dont even look that impressive. It's subpar with already precious resources going to some OS that is designed for you to watch tv? And the eff with the whole pay to use used game...
It's improbable that with the amount of people who buy the Xboxone, will all be monitored every second and then the minute they act illegal, the police department will show up within the hour and arrest them. I mean, is this what people are worried about? What do you think, the government has thousands of employees going through each conversation or watching each person who bought an Xboxone at every second of the day? Going through thousands of hours of recorded footage from the Kinect, in hopes that some kid smoked pot while his junkie girlfriend huffed the crackpipe & sodomized a baby so they can arrest them? I've always been a playstation dude anyway but I highly doubt Microsoft and/or the Government is secretly watching thousands of people at every second. I bet after all of the outrage on every site about all of the crap they're trying to pull will get killed & it'll be their little experiment that failed. If they happen to detain potential terrorists from this then that would be a good thing. If they want to watch me sex a hooker whilst drunk i'm fine with it.
On May 26 2013 12:17 joeschmo wrote: It's improbable that with the amount of people who buy the Xboxone, will all be monitored every second and then the minute they act illegal, the police department will show up within the hour and arrest them. I mean, is this what people are worried about? What do you think, the government has thousands of employees going through each conversation or watching each person who bought an Xboxone at every second of the day? Going through thousands of hours of recorded footage from the Kinect, in hopes that some kid smoked pot while his junkie girlfriend huffed the crackpipe & sodomized a baby so they can arrest them? I've always been a playstation dude anyway but I highly doubt Microsoft and/or the Government is secretly watching thousands of people at every second. I bet after all of the outrage on every site about all of the crap they're trying to pull will get killed & it'll be their little experiment that failed. If they happen to detain potential terrorists from this then that would be a good thing. If they want to watch me sex a hooker whilst drunk i'm fine with it.
If you don't value your privacy that's your choice, but don't encourage business practices that remove the option of privacy for the rest of us. Also, Microsoft already went over how they intend to use this already. When you purchase something, say a license to watch a T.V. show, it's for a specific amount of people. If the Kinect detects more people watching the show you just purchased the right to watch, it will shut down until you pay an additional fee to allow those extra people to watch with you.
God I can't believe there are people who are actually saying in this day in age they can't wait for the day when there are going to be cameras put in their house to watch and listen to their every move because a terrorist who is retarded enough to build a bomb in front of their Kinect might be captured. The government doesn't have the resources to perform large scale invasions of our privacy or perform large scale infractions on our rights? Have you not read the news in the past few weeks with the IRS scandal and the AP scandal? Didn't we have a book or two written on this very subject?
Again, just because you're okay with a corporation knowing every single move you make in your living room and then selling that ad data to other corporations without your consent doesn't mean the rest of us are.
On May 26 2013 12:01 BigFan wrote: ^ wait, the microphone is always on as long as its plugged in? wow, that's kinda bizzare lol. Why doesn't it get activated once you put in a game or something. I rarely buy consoles because I prefer PC so I likely won't be getting an xbox 1 but the above stated reasons are quite scary XD
Well yeah.
Think about it, it has to always be on. That's why the system can be off and you can say something like "Xbox, turn on" and it will turn on despite being shut down.
ya I thought that would be the case but I don't follow console news so I wasn't 100% sure
On May 26 2013 12:17 joeschmo wrote: It's improbable that with the amount of people who buy the Xboxone, will all be monitored every second and then the minute they act illegal, the police department will show up within the hour and arrest them. I mean, is this what people are worried about? What do you think, the government has thousands of employees going through each conversation or watching each person who bought an Xboxone at every second of the day? Going through thousands of hours of recorded footage from the Kinect, in hopes that some kid smoked pot while his junkie girlfriend huffed the crackpipe & sodomized a baby so they can arrest them? I've always been a playstation dude anyway but I highly doubt Microsoft and/or the Government is secretly watching thousands of people at every second. I bet after all of the outrage on every site about all of the crap they're trying to pull will get killed & it'll be their little experiment that failed. If they happen to detain potential terrorists from this then that would be a good thing. If they want to watch me sex a hooker whilst drunk i'm fine with it.
If you don't value your privacy that's your choice, but don't encourage business practices that remove the option of privacy for the rest of us. Also, Microsoft already went over how they intend to use this already. When you purchase something, say a license to watch a T.V. show, it's for a specific amount of people. If the Kinect detects more people watching the show you just purchased the right to watch, it will shut down until you pay an additional fee to allow those extra people to watch with you.
I wasn't actually encouraging anti-privacy. If I was, am I wrong? You are allowed to text your opinion on how it's negative but i'm not allowed to text why it's positive? That's a beside the point and unwarranted side jab to your gut, though. I'm merely speculating on how that the privacy of thousands is unlikely to be intruded upon. What? With given the numbers of people who will actually be using the Xboxone I just don't see how it's possible & I am open to being proven wrong, of course.
On May 26 2013 02:47 vidium wrote: I can't wait for the future news headlines: Man saved from heart attack thanks to his xboxone. After the kinects camera detected that the users heart stoped beating it automatically dialed 911.And than the guy said: xbox one was the best investment of my life! Thank you Microsoft!
Or how about this one- Man gets jail sentence for smoking cannabis in front of his Xbone. After the Kinect's camera detected that the user's voice had changed due to being high it automatically dialed 911. Thanks to the evidence recorded on the Xbone camera police were able to get an easy conviction. Thank you Microsoft!
On May 26 2013 12:17 joeschmo wrote: It's improbable that with the amount of people who buy the Xboxone, will all be monitored every second and then the minute they act illegal, the police department will show up within the hour and arrest them. I mean, is this what people are worried about? What do you think, the government has thousands of employees going through each conversation or watching each person who bought an Xboxone at every second of the day? Going through thousands of hours of recorded footage from the Kinect, in hopes that some kid smoked pot while his junkie girlfriend huffed the crackpipe & sodomized a baby so they can arrest them? I've always been a playstation dude anyway but I highly doubt Microsoft and/or the Government is secretly watching thousands of people at every second. I bet after all of the outrage on every site about all of the crap they're trying to pull will get killed & it'll be their little experiment that failed. If they happen to detain potential terrorists from this then that would be a good thing. If they want to watch me sex a hooker whilst drunk i'm fine with it.
If you don't value your privacy that's your choice, but don't encourage business practices that remove the option of privacy for the rest of us. Also, Microsoft already went over how they intend to use this already. When you purchase something, say a license to watch a T.V. show, it's for a specific amount of people. If the Kinect detects more people watching the show you just purchased the right to watch, it will shut down until you pay an additional fee to allow those extra people to watch with you.
I wasn't actually encouraging anti-privacy. If I was, am I wrong? You are allowed to text your opinion on how it's negative but i'm not allowed to text why it's positive? That's a beside the point and unwarranted side jab to your gut, though. I'm merely speculating on how that the privacy of thousands is unlikely to be intruded upon. What? With given the numbers of people who will actually be using the Xboxone I just don't see how it's possible & I am open to being proven wrong, of course.
The fact that Microsoft has just published Patents that lets Kinect gather information about you from the Kinect to determine which kind of ads it wants to play for you?
On May 26 2013 06:29 TheRabidDeer wrote: Basically, everybody that is familiar with technology (us) hates it and anybody that is a bit more "mainstream" thinks it looks amazing.
No, this is what people say to think that they think they're better than others.
The voice recognition and tracking is really cool and interesting, and it's cool that Microsoft is the one stepping up to push this kind of technology forward because they already have a really good platform to try out these "innovations", rather than having a random company show up in the next couple years to do this exact thing that Microsoft is trying out now.
I don't mind the Kinect if I can just turn it around and have it face the floor - not sure if that's been mentioned yet.
On May 26 2013 10:28 Ryder. wrote: Jeez what happened to the days you could just buy a game, plug it in and play and it ended there...
What happened to the days where your phone only called people? What happened to the day where your computer was only used for computing numbers? This is attempting to move forward technology. And attempting is better than not, I would guess.
I have to admit that this is a bit ignorant of a post...
Lots of people like their privacy. Fuck them, right? There is a difference between having advancements in the technology and having a IR camera and microphone integrated into the console itself (marketing). Also, I can understand why people are paranoid with having console having to be connected to the net (yea sure there might be an option where it can only connect with your permission but I'm sure others don't know it at the same time).
BTW the specs dont even look that impressive. It's subpar with already precious resources going to some OS that is designed for you to watch tv? And the eff with the whole pay to use used game...
I don't see the difference you claim between the two because as I mentioned, all of that also happens with your phone...
One problem is, this is all completely theoretical that they're actually reading your data. Yes, it's a concern, and I don't like it as much as you do, but honestly there's no evidence of it occurring because the console hasn't even been released yet, and if I'm not using it, can I just turn the camera around? mm
Like, I understand being turned off by it and being a bit paranoid, but people are acting like Microsoft has invaded your privacy already when the console hasn't been released yet. And as well, if you don't like that they're reading you while you're using it, why aren't you equally concerned about your phone recording information from its cameras while you're taking pictures, and similar acts of privacy invasion. It seems like everyone's completely ignoring those as well, and then using the same argument for just another case of it happening.
Instead of everyone crying about how it could theoretically do this and theoretically do that, how about you wait until people actually see it and review it and have it in their hands before attacking a product that you don't even know how it works besides an hour demo on a stage that clearly didn't reveal everything it does.
The technology involved is getting rid of the physical medium between interacting with technology - i.e. like you see in Iron Man all the time, voice recognition, and hopefully the cooler stuff later too with the 3 dimensional light objects.
My final point is, everyone's always focused on the negatives - look at all this shit that doesn't matter to me, look at all this shit that might be an invasion of my privacy, look at how stupid the name is. Maybe for once, look at the positives like all the shit they're trying to bring you, but I guess it's always going to be more fun to point out how everything's a joke.
Sorry in advance if it devolved into a rant about the human race halfway through.
On May 26 2013 14:25 Blisse wrote: My final point is, everyone's always focused on the negatives - look at all this shit that doesn't matter to me, look at all this shit that might be an invasion of my privacy, look at how stupid the name is. Maybe for once, look at the positives like all the shit they're trying to bring you, but I guess it's always going to be more fun to point out how everything's a joke.
How are we supposed to be excited about "the stuff they're trying to bring us" when they haven't even tried? We know what the system looks like, we know what the specifications are, and we know about the utter bullshit like "no borrowing games" and "constant online activity". =/ But we know nothing about new games. So what are we supposed to get excited about? Microsoft wasn't ready to unveil the system and now they're paying the price for not waiting.
Anyway, if Microsoft won't change their Xbox "One" policies, I won't be getting it, and a lot of people won't either.
With the hardcore DRM embedded in this system, I feel like its a big FU to gamers. I mean I understand piracy is a small problem, but to have have this hardcore DRM of always on and the system never shuts down even if you turn it off and monitors the room at all times, its just outright creepy.
I've always liked PS better since they were first on the scene and Microsoft basically just copied everything and made it worse and while the xbox360 was tiny little better than the first xbox, it has all the problems with the red ring of death, with overheating, with exploding, with breaking TV's, you name it it had the problems.
It wasn't until basically 2 years in when they fixed half the problems and had some games to show off.
Like even on my PC I sometimes disable the internet and all of the programs that connect automatically to the internet I block in my firewall. The level of intrusion and privacy concerns with xbox one are way too big and I hope consumers are smart and don't buy this DRM box.
Ultimately its a DRM box, its like buying DRM consciously and installing it on your PC. Like Sony was in big trouble with their protection on the disc and faced major lawsuits, now its hard coded in the xbox.
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