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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
May 25 2013 17:29 GMT
#1481
On May 26 2013 02:22 Whitewing wrote:
I want my console to be a video game console. I don't want features like connecting to my cable box, and I definitely do not want it to be required that I be connected to the internet.

If internet connectivity is required to play single player games, I will not be purchasing one.


From what i gathered of stuff i read the problem isn't with the games. It's with the console . It requires connection to the internet after a certain amount of time ( 24hours is what floats around ) or it won't work. Which is even worse in my mind. Because if for whatever reason you don't have internet for a certain amount of time the whole machine becomes useless .
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 17:32:16
May 25 2013 17:30 GMT
#1482
What worries me is that so many people are unhappy with the Xbox One, but will the sales reflect that, or will people be idiots again?

+ Show Spoiler +
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Anyway, Microsoft still has some time to fix the insane BS, but I'm not getting my hopes up... I don't directly have interest in consoles anyway, as I won't buy them. But as a PC gamer, the health of the market is pretty important to me.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
May 25 2013 17:39 GMT
#1483
On May 26 2013 01:37 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 01:32 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:20 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 00:36 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 25 2013 23:25 Fruscainte wrote:


l

o

l

I can't believe they're forcing people to use this shit.


That's not the Xbox One...


You may notice that it is a Kinect.

That is mandatory to use with your Xbox One.


Yes, a kinect will be mandatory to use the Xbox One,
However, that is not the kinect that will be required.
That is a very very old kinect that is nowhere at close to as good as the Kinect 2.0.


Alright, propose a system then that would stop a Kinect from using the voices from speakers as commands.

It's an inherent issue with something like this.

This is just icing though. Them forcing me to use a kinect at all times and using the kinect to monitor my heartbeat and my facial emotions and leaving the microphone on at all times even when powdered down and them reserving the right to share whatever information they gather with third parties is disgusting. As much as I love Halo, I love my privacy even more. I'm not going to spend $600 for a console and hundreds of dollars for games and controllers just to have a camera spy on me when I'm playing games to make sure too many people aren't enjoying content so they can force me to pay more or to spy on what can of soda I'm holding while watching the Super Bowl so they can give me a T.V. achievement. I don't appreciate the idea of it "analyzing" my facial expressions so it can target ads at me, worst of all.


I can think of several ways to make the kinect not listen to the speakers,
One of them would be checking the Audio Input with the Audio Output and if it match it ignores it.
Another one could be to create a voice profile for every user and check if your voice mathes any, if not no command will be listened to. I can think of more ways, but I am sure that Microsoft, world leading company when it comes to software, have far more sophisticated and smarter solutions than the ones I gave.
After all, it's Microsoft for damn sake, if they want to solve something they will.
Have a nice day ;)
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
May 25 2013 17:43 GMT
#1484
On May 26 2013 02:39 Dumbledore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 01:37 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:32 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:20 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 00:36 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 25 2013 23:25 Fruscainte wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5fq8fYVahE

l

o

l

I can't believe they're forcing people to use this shit.


That's not the Xbox One...


You may notice that it is a Kinect.

That is mandatory to use with your Xbox One.


Yes, a kinect will be mandatory to use the Xbox One,
However, that is not the kinect that will be required.
That is a very very old kinect that is nowhere at close to as good as the Kinect 2.0.


Alright, propose a system then that would stop a Kinect from using the voices from speakers as commands.

It's an inherent issue with something like this.

This is just icing though. Them forcing me to use a kinect at all times and using the kinect to monitor my heartbeat and my facial emotions and leaving the microphone on at all times even when powdered down and them reserving the right to share whatever information they gather with third parties is disgusting. As much as I love Halo, I love my privacy even more. I'm not going to spend $600 for a console and hundreds of dollars for games and controllers just to have a camera spy on me when I'm playing games to make sure too many people aren't enjoying content so they can force me to pay more or to spy on what can of soda I'm holding while watching the Super Bowl so they can give me a T.V. achievement. I don't appreciate the idea of it "analyzing" my facial expressions so it can target ads at me, worst of all.


I can think of several ways to make the kinect not listen to the speakers,
One of them would be checking the Audio Input with the Audio Output and if it match it ignores it.
Another one could be to create a voice profile for every user and check if your voice mathes any, if not no command will be listened to. I can think of more ways, but I am sure that Microsoft, world leading company when it comes to software, have far more sophisticated and smarter solutions than the ones I gave.
After all, it's Microsoft for damn sake, if they want to solve something they will.


If it's "Freaking Microsoft" how come they never came up with this problem in the Kinect 1.0's development?

I'm sure they did in fact and were hard pressed to find a solution to it. You can't create voice profiles since voices change depending on your mood. Which I guess won't be a problem since Kinect 2.0 will be monitoring my mood and heartbeat, so maybe there's your answer.
vidium
Profile Joined January 2012
Romania222 Posts
May 25 2013 17:47 GMT
#1485
I can't wait for the future news headlines: Man saved from heart attack thanks to his xboxone. After the kinects camera detected that the users heart stoped beating it automatically dialed 911.And than the guy said: xbox one was the best investment of my life! Thank you Microsoft!
You ever notice how no one returns to the barracks?
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
May 25 2013 17:48 GMT
#1486
On May 26 2013 02:18 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:
As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one

I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens!


You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam.


I do think Kinect can be used for cool things ( was even shown) . If and thats a big if it wasn't directly connected to a machine that needs to check-in to a company server every 24hours and sends collected Data to it that the company can directly sell or flat out give to just about anyone they wish.






Yeah that's kind of how I look at it. It's impressive tech but the privacy issues are beyond absurd. Can't believe MS are even trying to go down that path.
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
May 25 2013 17:53 GMT
#1487
On May 26 2013 02:43 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 02:39 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:37 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:32 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:20 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 00:36 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 25 2013 23:25 Fruscainte wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5fq8fYVahE

l

o

l

I can't believe they're forcing people to use this shit.


That's not the Xbox One...


You may notice that it is a Kinect.

That is mandatory to use with your Xbox One.


Yes, a kinect will be mandatory to use the Xbox One,
However, that is not the kinect that will be required.
That is a very very old kinect that is nowhere at close to as good as the Kinect 2.0.


Alright, propose a system then that would stop a Kinect from using the voices from speakers as commands.

It's an inherent issue with something like this.

This is just icing though. Them forcing me to use a kinect at all times and using the kinect to monitor my heartbeat and my facial emotions and leaving the microphone on at all times even when powdered down and them reserving the right to share whatever information they gather with third parties is disgusting. As much as I love Halo, I love my privacy even more. I'm not going to spend $600 for a console and hundreds of dollars for games and controllers just to have a camera spy on me when I'm playing games to make sure too many people aren't enjoying content so they can force me to pay more or to spy on what can of soda I'm holding while watching the Super Bowl so they can give me a T.V. achievement. I don't appreciate the idea of it "analyzing" my facial expressions so it can target ads at me, worst of all.


I can think of several ways to make the kinect not listen to the speakers,
One of them would be checking the Audio Input with the Audio Output and if it match it ignores it.
Another one could be to create a voice profile for every user and check if your voice mathes any, if not no command will be listened to. I can think of more ways, but I am sure that Microsoft, world leading company when it comes to software, have far more sophisticated and smarter solutions than the ones I gave.
After all, it's Microsoft for damn sake, if they want to solve something they will.


If it's "Freaking Microsoft" how come they never came up with this problem in the Kinect 1.0's development?

I'm sure they did in fact and were hard pressed to find a solution to it. You can't create voice profiles since voices change depending on your mood. Which I guess won't be a problem since Kinect 2.0 will be monitoring my mood and heartbeat, so maybe there's your answer.


The Xbox 360 Software nor hardware wasn't developed to be a fully voice controlled device.
Also, yet another way with the new Kinect is mouth movement detection to only trigger commands when someone indeed is talking. I can probably think of more ways..
Have a nice day ;)
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
May 25 2013 17:56 GMT
#1488
On May 26 2013 02:53 Dumbledore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 02:43 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:39 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:37 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:32 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:20 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 00:36 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 25 2013 23:25 Fruscainte wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5fq8fYVahE

l

o

l

I can't believe they're forcing people to use this shit.


That's not the Xbox One...


You may notice that it is a Kinect.

That is mandatory to use with your Xbox One.


Yes, a kinect will be mandatory to use the Xbox One,
However, that is not the kinect that will be required.
That is a very very old kinect that is nowhere at close to as good as the Kinect 2.0.


Alright, propose a system then that would stop a Kinect from using the voices from speakers as commands.

It's an inherent issue with something like this.

This is just icing though. Them forcing me to use a kinect at all times and using the kinect to monitor my heartbeat and my facial emotions and leaving the microphone on at all times even when powdered down and them reserving the right to share whatever information they gather with third parties is disgusting. As much as I love Halo, I love my privacy even more. I'm not going to spend $600 for a console and hundreds of dollars for games and controllers just to have a camera spy on me when I'm playing games to make sure too many people aren't enjoying content so they can force me to pay more or to spy on what can of soda I'm holding while watching the Super Bowl so they can give me a T.V. achievement. I don't appreciate the idea of it "analyzing" my facial expressions so it can target ads at me, worst of all.


I can think of several ways to make the kinect not listen to the speakers,
One of them would be checking the Audio Input with the Audio Output and if it match it ignores it.
Another one could be to create a voice profile for every user and check if your voice mathes any, if not no command will be listened to. I can think of more ways, but I am sure that Microsoft, world leading company when it comes to software, have far more sophisticated and smarter solutions than the ones I gave.
After all, it's Microsoft for damn sake, if they want to solve something they will.


If it's "Freaking Microsoft" how come they never came up with this problem in the Kinect 1.0's development?

I'm sure they did in fact and were hard pressed to find a solution to it. You can't create voice profiles since voices change depending on your mood. Which I guess won't be a problem since Kinect 2.0 will be monitoring my mood and heartbeat, so maybe there's your answer.


The Xbox 360 Software nor hardware wasn't developed to be a fully voice controlled device.
Also, yet another way with the new Kinect is mouth movement detection to only trigger commands when someone indeed is talking. I can probably think of more ways..

The hardware doesn't need to be developed to be controlled by voice, and the software is changeable, obviously. As for your solution, it would still have false positives. People talk when they play games or watch sports, even movies if they're BM.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11960 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 18:03:22
May 25 2013 18:02 GMT
#1489
For example, i am pretty sure that Skype filters it's own Audio output against the input somehow. I never use headsets, mostly because i got good speakers and hate having stuff on my head, and i don't produce any echos if i have only skype active even when not using PTT. However, if i am using something else that produces sounds on my computer, like playing a game, i tend to broadcast all of that sound over skype if i am not using PTT (which means that i usually use PTT)
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
May 25 2013 18:03 GMT
#1490
On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:
As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one

I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens!


You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam.

Kinect in engineering projects has nothing to do with some silly game console that happens to have kinect hardware included in it's package.
Throw off those chains of reason, and your prison disappears. | Check your posting frequency timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/post_activity_img.php
ZerO_0
Profile Joined October 2011
United States137 Posts
May 25 2013 18:06 GMT
#1491
I was looking forward to a new gaming console but I am kind of disapointed by their reveal. Well I wasn't gonna buy it anyways since I basically now stick to PC.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit. Aristotle
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
May 25 2013 18:51 GMT
#1492
On May 26 2013 02:56 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 02:53 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:43 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:39 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:37 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:32 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:20 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 00:36 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 25 2013 23:25 Fruscainte wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5fq8fYVahE

l

o

l

I can't believe they're forcing people to use this shit.


That's not the Xbox One...


You may notice that it is a Kinect.

That is mandatory to use with your Xbox One.


Yes, a kinect will be mandatory to use the Xbox One,
However, that is not the kinect that will be required.
That is a very very old kinect that is nowhere at close to as good as the Kinect 2.0.


Alright, propose a system then that would stop a Kinect from using the voices from speakers as commands.

It's an inherent issue with something like this.

This is just icing though. Them forcing me to use a kinect at all times and using the kinect to monitor my heartbeat and my facial emotions and leaving the microphone on at all times even when powdered down and them reserving the right to share whatever information they gather with third parties is disgusting. As much as I love Halo, I love my privacy even more. I'm not going to spend $600 for a console and hundreds of dollars for games and controllers just to have a camera spy on me when I'm playing games to make sure too many people aren't enjoying content so they can force me to pay more or to spy on what can of soda I'm holding while watching the Super Bowl so they can give me a T.V. achievement. I don't appreciate the idea of it "analyzing" my facial expressions so it can target ads at me, worst of all.


I can think of several ways to make the kinect not listen to the speakers,
One of them would be checking the Audio Input with the Audio Output and if it match it ignores it.
Another one could be to create a voice profile for every user and check if your voice mathes any, if not no command will be listened to. I can think of more ways, but I am sure that Microsoft, world leading company when it comes to software, have far more sophisticated and smarter solutions than the ones I gave.
After all, it's Microsoft for damn sake, if they want to solve something they will.


If it's "Freaking Microsoft" how come they never came up with this problem in the Kinect 1.0's development?

I'm sure they did in fact and were hard pressed to find a solution to it. You can't create voice profiles since voices change depending on your mood. Which I guess won't be a problem since Kinect 2.0 will be monitoring my mood and heartbeat, so maybe there's your answer.


The Xbox 360 Software nor hardware wasn't developed to be a fully voice controlled device.
Also, yet another way with the new Kinect is mouth movement detection to only trigger commands when someone indeed is talking. I can probably think of more ways..

The hardware doesn't need to be developed to be controlled by voice, and the software is changeable, obviously. As for your solution, it would still have false positives. People talk when they play games or watch sports, even movies if they're BM.


I gave 3 'solutions' and yes the hardware is important.
Have a nice day ;)
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
May 25 2013 19:04 GMT
#1493
On May 26 2013 03:51 Dumbledore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 02:56 Djzapz wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:53 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:43 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:39 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:37 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:32 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:20 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 00:36 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 25 2013 23:25 Fruscainte wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5fq8fYVahE

l

o

l

I can't believe they're forcing people to use this shit.


That's not the Xbox One...


You may notice that it is a Kinect.

That is mandatory to use with your Xbox One.


Yes, a kinect will be mandatory to use the Xbox One,
However, that is not the kinect that will be required.
That is a very very old kinect that is nowhere at close to as good as the Kinect 2.0.


Alright, propose a system then that would stop a Kinect from using the voices from speakers as commands.

It's an inherent issue with something like this.

This is just icing though. Them forcing me to use a kinect at all times and using the kinect to monitor my heartbeat and my facial emotions and leaving the microphone on at all times even when powdered down and them reserving the right to share whatever information they gather with third parties is disgusting. As much as I love Halo, I love my privacy even more. I'm not going to spend $600 for a console and hundreds of dollars for games and controllers just to have a camera spy on me when I'm playing games to make sure too many people aren't enjoying content so they can force me to pay more or to spy on what can of soda I'm holding while watching the Super Bowl so they can give me a T.V. achievement. I don't appreciate the idea of it "analyzing" my facial expressions so it can target ads at me, worst of all.


I can think of several ways to make the kinect not listen to the speakers,
One of them would be checking the Audio Input with the Audio Output and if it match it ignores it.
Another one could be to create a voice profile for every user and check if your voice mathes any, if not no command will be listened to. I can think of more ways, but I am sure that Microsoft, world leading company when it comes to software, have far more sophisticated and smarter solutions than the ones I gave.
After all, it's Microsoft for damn sake, if they want to solve something they will.


If it's "Freaking Microsoft" how come they never came up with this problem in the Kinect 1.0's development?

I'm sure they did in fact and were hard pressed to find a solution to it. You can't create voice profiles since voices change depending on your mood. Which I guess won't be a problem since Kinect 2.0 will be monitoring my mood and heartbeat, so maybe there's your answer.


The Xbox 360 Software nor hardware wasn't developed to be a fully voice controlled device.
Also, yet another way with the new Kinect is mouth movement detection to only trigger commands when someone indeed is talking. I can probably think of more ways..

The hardware doesn't need to be developed to be controlled by voice, and the software is changeable, obviously. As for your solution, it would still have false positives. People talk when they play games or watch sports, even movies if they're BM.


I gave 3 'solutions' and yes the hardware is important.

No, its not. Unless your solution is so extremely resource intensive that it requires a supercomputer, hardware doesn't matter. Surely, the XBox One is Turing Complete.
Who called in the fleet?
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 19:05:33
May 25 2013 19:05 GMT
#1494
On May 26 2013 03:03 Rollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:
As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one

I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens!


You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam.

Kinect in engineering projects has nothing to do with some silly game console that happens to have kinect hardware included in it's package.


The way it sounds though the new Kinect and the new Xbox won't function without the other which could pose some problem not only technologically also legally is a very real possibility . I'd think you're going to need to basically kill alot of function of the new Kinect which in return could also be used for people that flat out don't want to use the Kinect with their Xbox all the time which i would guess is something MS really doesn't want.

All speculation though at this point.
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
May 25 2013 19:14 GMT
#1495
On May 26 2013 04:05 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 03:03 Rollin wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:
As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one

I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens!


You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam.

Kinect in engineering projects has nothing to do with some silly game console that happens to have kinect hardware included in it's package.


The way it sounds though the new Kinect and the new Xbox won't function without the other which could pose some problem not only technologically also legally is a very real possibility . I'd think you're going to need to basically kill alot of function of the new Kinect which in return could also be used for people that flat out don't want to use the Kinect with their Xbox all the time which i would guess is something MS really doesn't want.

All speculation though at this point.

They've confirmed that the new Xbox won't work without the new Kinect, but haven't confirmed that the new Kinect won't work without the new Xbox.
Who called in the fleet?
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
May 25 2013 19:14 GMT
#1496
On May 26 2013 04:04 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 03:51 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:56 Djzapz wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:53 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:43 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:39 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:37 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:32 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:20 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 00:36 Dumbledore wrote:
[quote]

That's not the Xbox One...


You may notice that it is a Kinect.

That is mandatory to use with your Xbox One.


Yes, a kinect will be mandatory to use the Xbox One,
However, that is not the kinect that will be required.
That is a very very old kinect that is nowhere at close to as good as the Kinect 2.0.


Alright, propose a system then that would stop a Kinect from using the voices from speakers as commands.

It's an inherent issue with something like this.

This is just icing though. Them forcing me to use a kinect at all times and using the kinect to monitor my heartbeat and my facial emotions and leaving the microphone on at all times even when powdered down and them reserving the right to share whatever information they gather with third parties is disgusting. As much as I love Halo, I love my privacy even more. I'm not going to spend $600 for a console and hundreds of dollars for games and controllers just to have a camera spy on me when I'm playing games to make sure too many people aren't enjoying content so they can force me to pay more or to spy on what can of soda I'm holding while watching the Super Bowl so they can give me a T.V. achievement. I don't appreciate the idea of it "analyzing" my facial expressions so it can target ads at me, worst of all.


I can think of several ways to make the kinect not listen to the speakers,
One of them would be checking the Audio Input with the Audio Output and if it match it ignores it.
Another one could be to create a voice profile for every user and check if your voice mathes any, if not no command will be listened to. I can think of more ways, but I am sure that Microsoft, world leading company when it comes to software, have far more sophisticated and smarter solutions than the ones I gave.
After all, it's Microsoft for damn sake, if they want to solve something they will.


If it's "Freaking Microsoft" how come they never came up with this problem in the Kinect 1.0's development?

I'm sure they did in fact and were hard pressed to find a solution to it. You can't create voice profiles since voices change depending on your mood. Which I guess won't be a problem since Kinect 2.0 will be monitoring my mood and heartbeat, so maybe there's your answer.


The Xbox 360 Software nor hardware wasn't developed to be a fully voice controlled device.
Also, yet another way with the new Kinect is mouth movement detection to only trigger commands when someone indeed is talking. I can probably think of more ways..

The hardware doesn't need to be developed to be controlled by voice, and the software is changeable, obviously. As for your solution, it would still have false positives. People talk when they play games or watch sports, even movies if they're BM.


I gave 3 'solutions' and yes the hardware is important.

No, its not. Unless your solution is so extremely resource intensive that it requires a supercomputer, hardware doesn't matter. Surely, the XBox One is Turing Complete.


Hardware is more than just computing.
The Xbox One runs three operative system, where one is completely dedicated to audio, this wouldn't be possible without the correct hardware architecture. Sound recording devices are also hardware, get a cheap 10 dollar mic and then an expensive one for 300 dollars, then tell me the 10 dollar one performs worse because of its software.
I'm positive the Kinect 2.0 will have better voice recognition.
Have a nice day ;)
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 19:20:28
May 25 2013 19:19 GMT
#1497
On May 26 2013 04:14 Dumbledore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 04:04 Millitron wrote:
On May 26 2013 03:51 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:56 Djzapz wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:53 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:43 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:39 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:37 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:32 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:20 Fruscainte wrote:
[quote]

You may notice that it is a Kinect.

That is mandatory to use with your Xbox One.


Yes, a kinect will be mandatory to use the Xbox One,
However, that is not the kinect that will be required.
That is a very very old kinect that is nowhere at close to as good as the Kinect 2.0.


Alright, propose a system then that would stop a Kinect from using the voices from speakers as commands.

It's an inherent issue with something like this.

This is just icing though. Them forcing me to use a kinect at all times and using the kinect to monitor my heartbeat and my facial emotions and leaving the microphone on at all times even when powdered down and them reserving the right to share whatever information they gather with third parties is disgusting. As much as I love Halo, I love my privacy even more. I'm not going to spend $600 for a console and hundreds of dollars for games and controllers just to have a camera spy on me when I'm playing games to make sure too many people aren't enjoying content so they can force me to pay more or to spy on what can of soda I'm holding while watching the Super Bowl so they can give me a T.V. achievement. I don't appreciate the idea of it "analyzing" my facial expressions so it can target ads at me, worst of all.


I can think of several ways to make the kinect not listen to the speakers,
One of them would be checking the Audio Input with the Audio Output and if it match it ignores it.
Another one could be to create a voice profile for every user and check if your voice mathes any, if not no command will be listened to. I can think of more ways, but I am sure that Microsoft, world leading company when it comes to software, have far more sophisticated and smarter solutions than the ones I gave.
After all, it's Microsoft for damn sake, if they want to solve something they will.


If it's "Freaking Microsoft" how come they never came up with this problem in the Kinect 1.0's development?

I'm sure they did in fact and were hard pressed to find a solution to it. You can't create voice profiles since voices change depending on your mood. Which I guess won't be a problem since Kinect 2.0 will be monitoring my mood and heartbeat, so maybe there's your answer.


The Xbox 360 Software nor hardware wasn't developed to be a fully voice controlled device.
Also, yet another way with the new Kinect is mouth movement detection to only trigger commands when someone indeed is talking. I can probably think of more ways..

The hardware doesn't need to be developed to be controlled by voice, and the software is changeable, obviously. As for your solution, it would still have false positives. People talk when they play games or watch sports, even movies if they're BM.


I gave 3 'solutions' and yes the hardware is important.

No, its not. Unless your solution is so extremely resource intensive that it requires a supercomputer, hardware doesn't matter. Surely, the XBox One is Turing Complete.


Hardware is more than just computing.
The Xbox One runs three operative system, where one is completely dedicated to audio, this wouldn't be possible without the correct hardware architecture. Sound recording devices are also hardware, get a cheap 10 dollar mic and then an expensive one for 300 dollars, then tell me the 10 dollar one performs worse because of its software.
I'm positive the Kinect 2.0 will have better voice recognition.


I know it's moving the goal posts, but that's honestly not even in my top 20 problems with XBox One and Kinect 2.0.

Congratulations on it it doing something that it should have done in the first place and not experiencing a massive design flaw? I mean at least that's something going for for this system.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-25 19:22:12
May 25 2013 19:21 GMT
#1498
On May 26 2013 04:14 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 04:05 s3rp wrote:
On May 26 2013 03:03 Rollin wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:
As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one

I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens!


You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam.

Kinect in engineering projects has nothing to do with some silly game console that happens to have kinect hardware included in it's package.


The way it sounds though the new Kinect and the new Xbox won't function without the other which could pose some problem not only technologically also legally is a very real possibility . I'd think you're going to need to basically kill alot of function of the new Kinect which in return could also be used for people that flat out don't want to use the Kinect with their Xbox all the time which i would guess is something MS really doesn't want.

All speculation though at this point.

They've confirmed that the new Xbox won't work without the new Kinect, but haven't confirmed that the new Kinect won't work without the new Xbox.


I don't think it's out of the world to speculate that it won't without major modification. ( I do think the new Kinect will need to check into the Internet via the Xbox every now and then . ) I'm not sure how happy MS is with people they can't control toying around with products in ways they didn't intend for and can't really control . This whole press conference and the following relases gave me the indication they want more control over their products in general.
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
May 25 2013 19:28 GMT
#1499
On May 26 2013 04:14 Dumbledore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 04:04 Millitron wrote:
On May 26 2013 03:51 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:56 Djzapz wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:53 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:43 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:39 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:37 Fruscainte wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:32 Dumbledore wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:20 Fruscainte wrote:
[quote]

You may notice that it is a Kinect.

That is mandatory to use with your Xbox One.


Yes, a kinect will be mandatory to use the Xbox One,
However, that is not the kinect that will be required.
That is a very very old kinect that is nowhere at close to as good as the Kinect 2.0.


Alright, propose a system then that would stop a Kinect from using the voices from speakers as commands.

It's an inherent issue with something like this.

This is just icing though. Them forcing me to use a kinect at all times and using the kinect to monitor my heartbeat and my facial emotions and leaving the microphone on at all times even when powdered down and them reserving the right to share whatever information they gather with third parties is disgusting. As much as I love Halo, I love my privacy even more. I'm not going to spend $600 for a console and hundreds of dollars for games and controllers just to have a camera spy on me when I'm playing games to make sure too many people aren't enjoying content so they can force me to pay more or to spy on what can of soda I'm holding while watching the Super Bowl so they can give me a T.V. achievement. I don't appreciate the idea of it "analyzing" my facial expressions so it can target ads at me, worst of all.


I can think of several ways to make the kinect not listen to the speakers,
One of them would be checking the Audio Input with the Audio Output and if it match it ignores it.
Another one could be to create a voice profile for every user and check if your voice mathes any, if not no command will be listened to. I can think of more ways, but I am sure that Microsoft, world leading company when it comes to software, have far more sophisticated and smarter solutions than the ones I gave.
After all, it's Microsoft for damn sake, if they want to solve something they will.


If it's "Freaking Microsoft" how come they never came up with this problem in the Kinect 1.0's development?

I'm sure they did in fact and were hard pressed to find a solution to it. You can't create voice profiles since voices change depending on your mood. Which I guess won't be a problem since Kinect 2.0 will be monitoring my mood and heartbeat, so maybe there's your answer.


The Xbox 360 Software nor hardware wasn't developed to be a fully voice controlled device.
Also, yet another way with the new Kinect is mouth movement detection to only trigger commands when someone indeed is talking. I can probably think of more ways..

The hardware doesn't need to be developed to be controlled by voice, and the software is changeable, obviously. As for your solution, it would still have false positives. People talk when they play games or watch sports, even movies if they're BM.


I gave 3 'solutions' and yes the hardware is important.

No, its not. Unless your solution is so extremely resource intensive that it requires a supercomputer, hardware doesn't matter. Surely, the XBox One is Turing Complete.


Hardware is more than just computing.
The Xbox One runs three operative system, where one is completely dedicated to audio, this wouldn't be possible without the correct hardware architecture. Sound recording devices are also hardware, get a cheap 10 dollar mic and then an expensive one for 300 dollars, then tell me the 10 dollar one performs worse because of its software.
I'm positive the Kinect 2.0 will have better voice recognition.

An operating system is just software. They could have an OS dedicated to audio on any architecture.
Who called in the fleet?
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
May 25 2013 19:31 GMT
#1500
On May 26 2013 04:21 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 04:14 Millitron wrote:
On May 26 2013 04:05 s3rp wrote:
On May 26 2013 03:03 Rollin wrote:
On May 26 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:58 Rollin wrote:
On May 26 2013 01:20 Saumure wrote:
As an engineer, I am pretty happy they made a new kinect, hoping it will be at least as or more awesome than the first one

I've had some university colleagues working on some very cool kinect projects. If it's truly "so much better" as they say it will be really cool to see what happens!


You can't possibly be serious. How could anyone be positive about the kinect-voyeur-cam.

Kinect in engineering projects has nothing to do with some silly game console that happens to have kinect hardware included in it's package.


The way it sounds though the new Kinect and the new Xbox won't function without the other which could pose some problem not only technologically also legally is a very real possibility . I'd think you're going to need to basically kill alot of function of the new Kinect which in return could also be used for people that flat out don't want to use the Kinect with their Xbox all the time which i would guess is something MS really doesn't want.

All speculation though at this point.

They've confirmed that the new Xbox won't work without the new Kinect, but haven't confirmed that the new Kinect won't work without the new Xbox.


I don't think it's out of the world to speculate that it won't without major modification. ( I do think the new Kinect will need to check into the Internet via the Xbox every now and then . ) I'm not sure how happy MS is with people they can't control toying around with products in ways they didn't intend for and can't really control . This whole press conference and the following relases gave me the indication they want more control over their products in general.


They're seeing the profit in this if they can get away with it.

Look at all the millions Facebook makes from advertising information people choose to send to them and Facebook turns around and sells to advertising companies and the like. Imagine the billions of dollars Microsoft can make with information like:

- Exactly how many people watched a show and how long you watched it
- What jokes are being laughed at in a show
- At points in shows are people walking away for a piss break
- If people are watching your commercials or just dicking off on the internet
- What peoples emotional reactions are to certain commercials or shows
- What products people watching specific shows like to drink or eat
- What demographics of people are watching certain shows and using certain products on their couches
- What times of day you're watching shows, have friends over, what games you're playing at what times, etc.

And since the XBox One requires essential 24/7 internet access to work, you can guarantee that data is being sent all day every day at all times. God just reading this makes me seem tinfoil hat as fuck, but you can look up the patents and interviews yourself. It's weird.
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