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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
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Ponera
Canada596 Posts
if PS4 doesn't crush them I will be shocked | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On June 16 2013 08:29 Ponera wrote: LOL apparently if you get permabanned from their live system you lose access to all your account bound games (so all of them) if PS4 doesn't crush them I will be shocked Major Nelson or whatever says otherwise, so it is a bit conflicting at the moment. | ||
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Ponera
Canada596 Posts
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On June 16 2013 08:31 TheRabidDeer wrote: Major Nelson or whatever says otherwise, so it is a bit conflicting at the moment. I've seen the post from the xbox live support page (i believe it's number 2?). Says "If you get banned you forfeit for any licenses you have under that account." Truth or not that's what they are currently telling people. So if you get banned and you are sharing games with your friends do they lose the games as well? | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On June 16 2013 08:46 Infernal_dream wrote: I've seen the post from the xbox live support page (i believe it's number 2?). Says "If you get banned you forfeit for any licenses you have under that account." Truth or not that's what they are currently telling people. So if you get banned and you are sharing games with your friends do they lose the games as well? Like I say, it is a bit conflicting. One person says one thing, another says something that is the opposite. Which is true? We don't know. Both of them are official channels so either could be right. | ||
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FromShouri
United States862 Posts
On June 16 2013 08:46 Infernal_dream wrote: I've seen the post from the xbox live support page (i believe it's number 2?). Says "If you get banned you forfeit for any licenses you have under that account." Truth or not that's what they are currently telling people. So if you get banned and you are sharing games with your friends do they lose the games as well? In all actuality...ya probably. I wonder what happens if you let someone in the group of 10 use your "shared" game and then does some sort of bannable offense/exploit, are they banned or are both of you? | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On June 16 2013 08:46 Infernal_dream wrote: I've seen the post from the xbox live support page (i believe it's number 2?). Says "If you get banned you forfeit for any licenses you have under that account." Truth or not that's what they are currently telling people. So if you get banned and you are sharing games with your friends do they lose the games as well? It's likely a liability clause. If they don't explicitly state they can do that it can put them into odd positions considering certain types of banning. If you're account is banned due to like credit card fraud on your account it seems perfectly valid that they close your account completely, but to do this they need to be able to say you can loose all your games not just the account associated with them. All this harsh reactions to things like this probably will just make them reword crap. | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
Nelson is a lead programmer for the Xbox One and a major player when it comes to its functionality. It's quite more credible to take his word, that games that are on a banned account are still playable, then that of the 1-5 twitter feed. This being said, if your account is banned (as a previous poster said) for fraud then it's obvious the games would also be negated but for grieving (specifically stated in the interview) as an example they are not. Here's what confuses me, with regards to the EU, what the Xbox is stating when it comes to the used game policy is that you don't truly "own" the product (since you can't sell, trade, giveaway, share freely (yes I understand they've implemented some rather complex trading and sharing mechanisms but restrictive ownership =/= ownership, it's more or less a lease or rental agreement) and as such won't it fall into the same issue Starcraft 2 did in Europe? If I recall correctly the argument was that once you purchase something from a company, specifically a game in the case of SC2, you now own the rights to sell/share/tradein etc etc. Someone with better insight (I'm not European) wanna kinda run that down for me? | ||
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
On June 16 2013 11:10 Hitch-22 wrote: The xbox live twitter page is throwing out as much backwards information as possible for a system that is 6 months away and has yet to finalize its position. Nelson is a lead programmer for the Xbox One and a major player when it comes to its functionality. It's quite more credible to take his word, that games that are on a banned account are still playable, then that of the 1-5 twitter feed. This being said, if your account is banned (as a previous poster said) for fraud then it's obvious the games would also be negated but for grieving (specifically stated in the interview) as an example they are not. Here's what confuses me, with regards to the EU, what the Xbox is stating when it comes to the used game policy is that you don't truly "own" the product (since you can't sell, trade, giveaway, share freely (yes I understand they've implemented some rather complex trading and sharing mechanisms but restrictive ownership =/= ownership, it's more or less a lease or rental agreement) and as such won't it fall into the same issue Starcraft 2 did in Europe? If I recall correctly the argument was that once you purchase something from a company, specifically a game in the case of SC2, you now own the rights to sell/share/tradein etc etc. Someone with better insight (I'm not European) wanna kinda run that down for me? Hmmm...By European law I think you are right:when you buy a product you sort of own it.I don't know if it will be enforced form the beggining though but if a euro customer starts a lawsuit he will most likely win in court and xbox will have to drop the feature. | ||
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
I think microsoft will either have to redesign the xboxone form scrath or face dawnting sales compared to its rivals. Every site I go their product is criticized.I have not seen any good opinion about it. Hopefully they will manage to drop the money milking techniques and internet only connectivity.I can understand blizzard doing stuff like that for sc2 and diablo since everyone of its competitios do that but when playstation announces otherwise this should be enough to drop the feature or lose customers. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On June 16 2013 04:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: http://kotaku.com/microsoft-to-sell-next-gen-games-for-60-price-of-gami-513489951 You can pre-order games right now for PS4 for $59.99. If they magically jacked that price up $10 and the people who pre-ordered games for a lesser price now had to pay a higher price I'm pretty sure that would piss off 100% of the people who pre-ordered and they would demand the lower price instead. PS4 games are gonna be same price as always, no higher. If they decided just now to make the games higher priced it would totally be against everything they told customers to this point and would essentially be lying to customers. | ||
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woody60707
United States1863 Posts
I honestly don't know how MS handles this now, but however they handle movies and money in the system will be how they handle movies, money and game licenses. No need to change anything. I did try googling, but I didn't get anything solid about your music or movie content. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/z5PrTyy.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KMgr10Q.jpg) *UPDATED* Michael Wilford, Studio Director of Twisted Pixel Games, said the hardware running his game at the show was the decision of his company, not Microsoft. Wilford also told Jonathan Blow to blow it out his ass for criticizing the hardware his team is using to demo the game. So, what we have here is simply a matter of a developer that chose to run his game on hardware / software of his choice. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On June 16 2013 11:37 theking1 wrote: Sometimes when I see large corporations backfire so much on basic stuff it really makes me wonder why managers do not fire the people involved or why do stockholders do not fire the manager.it is sort of impossible to design a product that is so bad compared to that of your competitors and still have your job.I can understand in the operating system department cause they have a global 80% monopoly but when the competition is so fierce with sony and playstation I really wonder how can you not offer the customers what they want and act like you own 90% marketshare. I think microsoft will either have to redesign the xboxone form scrath or face dawnting sales compared to its rivals. Every site I go their product is criticized.I have not seen any good opinion about it. Hopefully they will manage to drop the money milking techniques and internet only connectivity.I can understand blizzard doing stuff like that for sc2 and diablo since everyone of its competitios do that but when playstation announces otherwise this should be enough to drop the feature or lose customers. There is no way they can redesign from scratch when the launch date is in Q4 2013. Unless they are magician, it's not happening. lol. If they delay their launch date,people will be pissed off and your competitors(PS4) will just skyrocket over you. It's not that XBONE is inferior. It is still good and decent but PS4 is just better in terms of performance and specs. Not surprising since Sony is a mainly hardware company whereas Microsoft is a mainly a software company. They got world class engineers working along with Cerny who is the lead architect for PS4. | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
I don't understand? O.o It's a guy calling out another guy for his choice in what hardware he picked during the demo? Or is there more backstory? | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
But really this witch hunt for such minor informations is just getting annoying. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On June 16 2013 14:56 rezoacken wrote: And developers making exclusives being a bit edgy (with reason). But really this witch hunt for such minor informations is just getting annoying. What do you expect when the makers themselves won't give any straight answers less than 5months to release? | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On June 16 2013 14:58 Zooper31 wrote: What do you expect when the makers themselves won't give any straight answers less than 5months to release? Moar ps4 games. Sorry, had to. Was too easy. | ||
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