On June 16 2013 20:36 MoneyHypeMike wrote: Anyone who think Xbox One will not sell well is a fool and should wait until both console release.
People seem to forget that not only gamers buy console...
You seems to know nothing about recent history of console. Just because Xbox360 has a large install base in the US doesn't mean X1 will sell well. There are 53 millions PS2 at the time Sony launched PS3 but because of the 599 pricetag they alienate themselves from mainstream customers.
Xbox360 now has just about 44 millions in the US, and gamers will jump ships esp when there is little to no difference between PS4 and X1 but PS4 is $100 cheapers. The last time Sony undercut their opponent by $100 Sega never recover and nearly went out of business. Ofc MS is much bigger than Sega, they will not go out of business but they'd have damn difficult time to fight with the PS4
For exclusives, if people think X1 has better exclusives they are just delusional, Sony owned the biggest inhouse studios in the industry. Look at PS3 exclusives and you can see how PS4 will pan out. With Naughty Dog alone, they made 4 PS3 exclusives during the last 5 years, all of which are top of food chain titles.
X1 relies on 3rd party exclusives which means it will be on PC from the get go, or even will end up on PS4 once their timed contracts are over(BioShock, Mass Effect comes to mind)
Also, there are many Japanese studio that only make PS3 games(cos Xbox360 is non-existance in Japan), many of those games are very good but never got imported to the English audiences. PS4 just might bring a portion of those games over and they will have an even bigger exclusive lineup which X1 can't never match.
I know I will get downvoted into Oblivion over supporting the online functions of the X1 but I seriously think most of the gaming community is on the wrong side.
Sure it enforces a lot of restrictions on used games in particular, but it could end up being one of the best moves Microsoft has ever made. I just cannot stand the fact that half of Reddit hasn't taken the time to actually understand the vision that Microsoft is trying to achieve.
Whether you love it or hate it this is how innovation happens. These types of risks are what set the good from the great. This is a move I would have expected out of Apple, not Microsoft. As a gaming these are extremely exciting times. This move by Microsoft could pan out to shape gaming for generations to come.
How is this even justifiable in the slightest? This is embarrassing. I seriously hope Sony is doing something like this too and this is just a normal thing companies do or something.
I know I will get downvoted into Oblivion over supporting the online functions of the X1 but I seriously think most of the gaming community is on the wrong side.
Sure it enforces a lot of restrictions on used games in particular, but it could end up being one of the best moves Microsoft has ever made. I just cannot stand the fact that half of Reddit hasn't taken the time to actually understand the vision that Microsoft is trying to achieve.
Whether you love it or hate it this is how innovation happens. These types of risks are what set the good from the great. This is a move I would have expected out of Apple, not Microsoft. As a gaming these are extremely exciting times. This move by Microsoft could pan out to shape gaming for generations to come.
Just my 2 cents
-JTMx29
It's literally an entire forum like this.
wow is this forum for rela? What is it, basically just a giant attempt by a bunch of xbox employees to look like impartial posters excited about the great new console??!?
I know I will get downvoted into Oblivion over supporting the online functions of the X1 but I seriously think most of the gaming community is on the wrong side.
Sure it enforces a lot of restrictions on used games in particular, but it could end up being one of the best moves Microsoft has ever made. I just cannot stand the fact that half of Reddit hasn't taken the time to actually understand the vision that Microsoft is trying to achieve.
Whether you love it or hate it this is how innovation happens. These types of risks are what set the good from the great. This is a move I would have expected out of Apple, not Microsoft. As a gaming these are extremely exciting times. This move by Microsoft could pan out to shape gaming for generations to come.
Just my 2 cents
-JTMx29
It's literally an entire forum like this.
wow is this forum for rela? What is it, basically just a giant attempt by a bunch of xbox employees to look like impartial posters excited about the great new console??!?
I think most of them have this issue that they believe innovation is worth it for the sake of "innovation". I mean in that post I linked lies a prime example. He did not leave a single point of reasoning for his point why this was such a great leap forward. All he said was that it was a great move by Microsoft and it's moving us forward in terms of living a futuristic life so it must inherently be good. Innovation is supposed to be done to increase convenience and functionality, not done for the sake of doing it. They don't seem to understand this.
It's just shocking, it feels like something a group of 13 year olds would be doing. Freaking out because Xbox can be turned on by saying "Xbox On" like that somehow makes it worth the extra $100 because it's so futuristic.
I know I will get downvoted into Oblivion over supporting the online functions of the X1 but I seriously think most of the gaming community is on the wrong side.
Sure it enforces a lot of restrictions on used games in particular, but it could end up being one of the best moves Microsoft has ever made. I just cannot stand the fact that half of Reddit hasn't taken the time to actually understand the vision that Microsoft is trying to achieve.
Whether you love it or hate it this is how innovation happens. These types of risks are what set the good from the great. This is a move I would have expected out of Apple, not Microsoft. As a gaming these are extremely exciting times. This move by Microsoft could pan out to shape gaming for generations to come.
Just my 2 cents
-JTMx29
It's literally an entire forum like this.
wow is this forum for rela? What is it, basically just a giant attempt by a bunch of xbox employees to look like impartial posters excited about the great new console??!?
isnt unheard of that companies have people who do nothing but posting on forums acting like normal users when they are actually sales reps.
I know I will get downvoted into Oblivion over supporting the online functions of the X1 but I seriously think most of the gaming community is on the wrong side.
Sure it enforces a lot of restrictions on used games in particular, but it could end up being one of the best moves Microsoft has ever made. I just cannot stand the fact that half of Reddit hasn't taken the time to actually understand the vision that Microsoft is trying to achieve.
Whether you love it or hate it this is how innovation happens. These types of risks are what set the good from the great. This is a move I would have expected out of Apple, not Microsoft. As a gaming these are extremely exciting times. This move by Microsoft could pan out to shape gaming for generations to come.
Just my 2 cents
-JTMx29
It's literally an entire forum like this.
wow is this forum for rela? What is it, basically just a giant attempt by a bunch of xbox employees to look like impartial posters excited about the great new console??!?
I think most of them have this issue that they believe innovation is worth it for the sake of "innovation". I mean in that post I linked lies a prime example. He did not leave a single point of reasoning for his point why this was such a great leap forward. All he said was that it was a great move by Microsoft and it's moving us forward in terms of living a futuristic life so it must inherently be good. Innovation is supposed to be done to increase convenience and functionality, not done for the sake of doing it. They don't seem to understand this.
It's just shocking, it feels like something a group of 13 year olds would be doing. Freaking out because Xbox can be turned on by saying "Xbox On" like that somehow makes it worth the extra $100 because it's so futuristic.
The xbox can be used as a full entertainment system it has a hdmi in because of that. It's not futuristic it's a HTPC+game console if all you ever view it as is a game loader you're ignoring a large part of the system. Microsoft is looking to push people away from their computers and put a computer in the living room. Smartglass is suppose to be the keyboard and mouse, but it wont be long till 3rd parties put a wireless keyboard/mouse onto the machine.
I know I will get downvoted into Oblivion over supporting the online functions of the X1 but I seriously think most of the gaming community is on the wrong side.
Sure it enforces a lot of restrictions on used games in particular, but it could end up being one of the best moves Microsoft has ever made. I just cannot stand the fact that half of Reddit hasn't taken the time to actually understand the vision that Microsoft is trying to achieve.
Whether you love it or hate it this is how innovation happens. These types of risks are what set the good from the great. This is a move I would have expected out of Apple, not Microsoft. As a gaming these are extremely exciting times. This move by Microsoft could pan out to shape gaming for generations to come.
Just my 2 cents
-JTMx29
It's literally an entire forum like this.
wow is this forum for rela? What is it, basically just a giant attempt by a bunch of xbox employees to look like impartial posters excited about the great new console??!?
I think most of them have this issue that they believe innovation is worth it for the sake of "innovation". I mean in that post I linked lies a prime example. He did not leave a single point of reasoning for his point why this was such a great leap forward. All he said was that it was a great move by Microsoft and it's moving us forward in terms of living a futuristic life so it must inherently be good. Innovation is supposed to be done to increase convenience and functionality, not done for the sake of doing it. They don't seem to understand this.
It's just shocking, it feels like something a group of 13 year olds would be doing. Freaking out because Xbox can be turned on by saying "Xbox On" like that somehow makes it worth the extra $100 because it's so futuristic.
Dude, I've been arguing the exact same crap as that guy since page 30 of this thread. It is completely true that the Reddit fuck microsoft bandwagon got WAY out of control and people, even newcomers to the discussion, just get swallowed by that bandwagon, and rarely do people even attempt to actually discuss the merits and pitfalls of the features of the console. Yes, that guy's an idiot but that doesn't make his point less valid (though I don't think his point about innovation holds, and neither does yours), and it doesn't make me or him a Microsoft employee.
Microsoft does have an agenda with the Xbox One. This hatred is just a result of 1. horrible PR, 2. somewhat different and unreasonable features without due justification due to bad marketing, and mainly 3. it spiralling out of control because that's how the Internet (Reddit) works when they don't like something and when Sony posts a direct response to Microsoft's horrible launch.
wtf are you even talking about "innovation supposed to be done to increase convenience and functionality". That has nothing to do with anything. As discussed around pages 150-154, there is shit in the Xbox One that increases functionality. None of this has anything to do with that, and all to do with Microsoft making something because they have a vision of something they want to achieve and they're using this to get there. All of the integration things Microsoft is actively pushing for is actually innovative and pushing the limits of some of our technology. Do you not see how Tony Stark (Iron Man) only interacts via yelling at his computer (or pulling and typing on a holographic display)? This is the kind of vision that could be achievable if you only tried to work in that direction.
There are huge numbers of people with actually good ideas and insight behind the One that just get overlooked as "Microsoft employees" because people like you have jumped so far on the bandwagon that the complete idea of rational discussion is out the window because you simply disregard them as "damage control". Like that "microsoft engineer" that wrote a couple pastebin notes on the situation. "Oh it's fake" or "oh it's just damage control." If you don't think that this bandwagoning has spiralled out of control already you're being delusional because the amount of backlash here is unbelievable to the point where Microsoft doesn't have a clue why the features they have (which they truly believe are good) can generate this kind of disapproval (but I expect they'll fire their PR). Because believe it or not, companies are actually have plans for their products and actually think way more than you know about the things they make, so when you delegitimize the work they do because they're "stupid", why would you think it's more likely that they're "stupid" and illegal rather than you don't know or understand the reasoning behind the shit that they've done?
\endsmallrant
It's really tiring to just see Microsoft bashing in this thread instead of actual discussion. Half the posts are just littered, recycled attempts to garner more hatred for Microsoft through either its bad PR or even fake PR, and the other posts get shot down immediately because no one bothers to try to take the opposite side of the argument, and would rather think Microsoft is trying to screw everyone in the ass rather than actually make things because the people in this forum are "expert console designers".
Whatever. I won't be posting in this thread anymore at least until all this shit dies out (and believe me it will, remember "cispa and then cispa 2.0?") because at least the quality of the discussion will improve again, but I'm starting to have doubts about that since all the actually reasonable posters get attacked out most of the time. All of the points I've wanted to make or know that I wanted to make have been made and discussed already (hard to say discussed at times).
I know I will get downvoted into Oblivion over supporting the online functions of the X1 but I seriously think most of the gaming community is on the wrong side.
Sure it enforces a lot of restrictions on used games in particular, but it could end up being one of the best moves Microsoft has ever made. I just cannot stand the fact that half of Reddit hasn't taken the time to actually understand the vision that Microsoft is trying to achieve.
Whether you love it or hate it this is how innovation happens. These types of risks are what set the good from the great. This is a move I would have expected out of Apple, not Microsoft. As a gaming these are extremely exciting times. This move by Microsoft could pan out to shape gaming for generations to come.
Just my 2 cents
-JTMx29
It's literally an entire forum like this.
wow is this forum for rela? What is it, basically just a giant attempt by a bunch of xbox employees to look like impartial posters excited about the great new console??!?
I think most of them have this issue that they believe innovation is worth it for the sake of "innovation". I mean in that post I linked lies a prime example. He did not leave a single point of reasoning for his point why this was such a great leap forward. All he said was that it was a great move by Microsoft and it's moving us forward in terms of living a futuristic life so it must inherently be good. Innovation is supposed to be done to increase convenience and functionality, not done for the sake of doing it. They don't seem to understand this.
It's just shocking, it feels like something a group of 13 year olds would be doing. Freaking out because Xbox can be turned on by saying "Xbox On" like that somehow makes it worth the extra $100 because it's so futuristic.
The xbox can be used as a full entertainment system it has a hdmi in because of that. It's not futuristic it's a HTPC+game console if all you ever view it as is a game loader you're ignoring a large part of the system. Microsoft is looking to push people away from their computers and put a computer in the living room. Smartglass is suppose to be the keyboard and mouse, but it wont be long till 3rd parties put a wireless keyboard/mouse onto the machine.
But what full entertainment systems does it add? No one has been able to answer me from pages ago.
Yes, it acts as a pass-through like Google TV. But Microsoft is going to have the same problems that Google TV does, which is due to complexity and the wide number of devices. The CNET article on it says the Live TV search is separate from the VOD search, which means it doesn't have a universal search. Yes, it has a nice UI for live TV, but what if the cable companies wise up and do the same? And if I want to watch Netflix, I have to go to a different search system which, to me, is not substantially better than switching inputs and loading Netflix on a PS3 or 360 or PS4.
How will you control different systems through the same remote system? That's always been a problem for Google TV, what has MS done to fix the complexities?
It acts as a HTPC/media center, but aren't 360's and PS3's already doing that? I watched TSL3 on my big screen TV through a 360. I can already stream files on my computer to the TV.
So why is it a media powerhouse? All I've seen is slightly more convenience. This doesn't have a DVR for TV, just for games. And it's not a cable box. The cable box still controls everything, and Xfinity/Verizon/etc. could easily match the UI.
I know I will get downvoted into Oblivion over supporting the online functions of the X1 but I seriously think most of the gaming community is on the wrong side.
Sure it enforces a lot of restrictions on used games in particular, but it could end up being one of the best moves Microsoft has ever made. I just cannot stand the fact that half of Reddit hasn't taken the time to actually understand the vision that Microsoft is trying to achieve.
Whether you love it or hate it this is how innovation happens. These types of risks are what set the good from the great. This is a move I would have expected out of Apple, not Microsoft. As a gaming these are extremely exciting times. This move by Microsoft could pan out to shape gaming for generations to come.
Just my 2 cents
-JTMx29
It's literally an entire forum like this.
wow is this forum for rela? What is it, basically just a giant attempt by a bunch of xbox employees to look like impartial posters excited about the great new console??!?
I think most of them have this issue that they believe innovation is worth it for the sake of "innovation". I mean in that post I linked lies a prime example. He did not leave a single point of reasoning for his point why this was such a great leap forward. All he said was that it was a great move by Microsoft and it's moving us forward in terms of living a futuristic life so it must inherently be good. Innovation is supposed to be done to increase convenience and functionality, not done for the sake of doing it. They don't seem to understand this.
It's just shocking, it feels like something a group of 13 year olds would be doing. Freaking out because Xbox can be turned on by saying "Xbox On" like that somehow makes it worth the extra $100 because it's so futuristic.
The xbox can be used as a full entertainment system it has a hdmi in because of that. It's not futuristic it's a HTPC+game console if all you ever view it as is a game loader you're ignoring a large part of the system. Microsoft is looking to push people away from their computers and put a computer in the living room. Smartglass is suppose to be the keyboard and mouse, but it wont be long till 3rd parties put a wireless keyboard/mouse onto the machine.
But what full entertainment systems does it add? No one has been able to answer me from pages ago.
Yes, it acts as a pass-through like Google TV. But Microsoft is going to have the same problems that Google TV does, which is due to complexity and the wide number of devices. The CNET article on it says the Live TV search is separate from the VOD search, which means it doesn't have a universal search. Yes, it has a nice UI for live TV, but what if the cable companies wise up and do the same? And if I want to watch Netflix, I have to go to a different search system which, to me, is not substantially better than switching inputs and loading Netflix on a PS3 or 360 or PS4.
How will you control different systems through the same remote system? That's always been a problem for Google TV, what has MS done to fix the complexities?
It acts as a HTPC/media center, but aren't 360's and PS3's already doing that? I watched TSL3 on my big screen TV through a 360. I can already stream files on my computer to the TV.
So why is it a media powerhouse? All I've seen is slightly more convenience. This doesn't have a DVR for TV, just for games. And it's not a cable box. The cable box still controls everything, and Xfinity/Verizon/etc. could easily match the UI.
I lied so I'm going to respond to this a bit. I think it's just better integration at this point and convenience, which is a decent point still. I want to say comparable to cd players to walkmans to mp3 players type transition, but we honestly don't know at this point whether it's actually going to turn out like that (hence the talks about innovation, because none of us here can predict trends in technology sadly...).
Also the NFL partnership, which people who aren't American and who don't like football clearly don't care about, but I'm guessing a good number of owners will.
I also want to say why don't we mention about the reverse where Microsoft's pushing of Smartglass since 360 has made Sony copy the Smartglass concept, instead of saying that they're just the same console? I don't know, but an interesting different view of the thing
On June 16 2013 20:36 MoneyHypeMike wrote: Anyone who think Xbox One will not sell well is a fool and should wait until both console release.
People seem to forget that not only gamers buy console...
Not sure if serious...
Do you really think Non-Gamers buy a fucking 500$ (660$ in EU) "Entertainment-Thing" that does Spy on you and has the worst DRM ever?
The XBoner will get destroyed by PC and even the PlaystationIV and M$ will have to change everything to recover some of the Failiure (probably allow used games and reduce the price by at least 33%).
If the new Casualstations would be released today it would be like this in Europe/RoW - 75% PC - 20% Old Consoles - 4% PS4 - <1% XBoner
On June 16 2013 20:36 MoneyHypeMike wrote: Anyone who think Xbox One will not sell well is a fool and should wait until both console release.
People seem to forget that not only gamers buy console...
You seems to know nothing about recent history of console. Just because Xbox360 has a large install base in the US doesn't mean X1 will sell well. There are 53 millions PS2 at the time Sony launched PS3 but because of the 599 pricetag they alienate themselves from mainstream customers.
Xbox360 now has just about 44 millions in the US, and gamers will jump ships esp when there is little to no difference between PS4 and X1 but PS4 is $100 cheapers. The last time Sony undercut their opponent by $100 Sega never recover and nearly went out of business. Ofc MS is much bigger than Sega, they will not go out of business but they'd have damn difficult time to fight with the PS4
For exclusives, if people think X1 has better exclusives they are just delusional, Sony owned the biggest inhouse studios in the industry. Look at PS3 exclusives and you can see how PS4 will pan out. With Naughty Dog alone, they made 4 PS3 exclusives during the last 5 years, all of which are top of food chain titles.
X1 relies on 3rd party exclusives which means it will be on PC from the get go, or even will end up on PS4 once their timed contracts are over(BioShock, Mass Effect comes to mind)
Also, there are many Japanese studio that only make PS3 games(cos Xbox360 is non-existance in Japan), many of those games are very good but never got imported to the English audiences. PS4 just might bring a portion of those games over and they will have an even bigger exclusive lineup which X1 can't never match.
Why you say ps3 has better exclusive than xbox 360. I just checked vgchartz and halo/gears of war/forza has outsold uncharted/gran turismo/killzone. Quite a lot I too. What I mean by that is double amount.
On June 17 2013 02:18 Trumpstyle wrote: Why you say ps3 has better exclusive than xbox 360. I just checked vgchartz and halo/gears of war/forza has outsold uncharted/gran turismo/killzone. Quite a lot I too. What I mean by that is double amount.
I'm having flashbacks to my old internet argument days, god I feel so alive!
On June 17 2013 01:46 Blisse wrote: Dude, I've been arguing the exact same crap as that guy since page 30 of this thread. It is completely true that the Reddit fuck microsoft bandwagon got WAY out of control and people, even newcomers to the discussion, just get swallowed by that bandwagon, and rarely do people even attempt to actually discuss the merits and pitfalls of the features of the console. Yes, that guy's an idiot but that doesn't make his point less valid (though I don't think his point about innovation holds, and neither does yours), and it doesn't make me or him a Microsoft employee.
Reddit isn't the only website on the internet first of all. I never stated him or you are a Microsoft employee. Why are you starting out your post with such a defensive stance? I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking Microsoft. Unless...you are Microsoft!
Seriously though, just because there's a lot of 'bandwagon' hate doesn't mean that the hate is instantly discredited.
Microsoft does have an agenda with the Xbox One. This hatred is just a result of 1. horrible PR, 2. somewhat different and unreasonable features without due justification due to bad marketing, and mainly 3. it spiralling out of control because that's how the Internet (Reddit) works when they don't like something and when Sony posts a direct response to Microsoft's horrible launch.
No, the hatred is far more than the horrible PR. The horrible PR is the icing on the cake. I like how you completely glaze over the completely atrocious things Microsoft is doing with this console by calling them "somewhat different" and attributing it to bad marketing. As if more Mountain Dew & Doritos commercials would have convinced us otherwise about the shit MS is pulling. Thirdly, Reddit is not the only website on the internet.
Want to know why "the internet" hates Xbox One and Microsoft right now? Because MS has basically told 2/3rds of the world that they are second class customers. That the entirety of the Middle East, Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe, Portugal, South America (omitting Brazil), and Central America will not be able to use their console or their game even if they import it from another country using an out of control account. "We" hate Microsoft because if you get banned for any reason you lose access to all your games. And before you mention Steam does this too, you only lose access to your games on Steam if you commit credit card fraud.
Thirdly and most importantly "we" hate Microsoft right now because of their gross invasion of privacy and their attempt to cover it up by calling it "cloud gaming". That's all this is. Cloud gaming is a front for them to get marketing data. This isn't a fucking tinfoil, this is explicitly stated in their patents they have filed that anyone can view. Why can't Microsoft improve their shit in actual functional ways? Like make a controller that doesn't require AA batteries? Or allow bluetooth? Or allow removable hard drives? They don't want to actually improve their gaming system, they are taking a new route.
No, instead they force you to check in every 24 hours as a way to keep people online so that the Kinect can monitor the number of people in the room to make sure the user views does not exceed the amount licensed by the MPAA. They use the camera to ensure users view commercials and pauses the content when the users look away. Interactive ads that wont go away until you say a passphrase. They "innovate" so that the kinect can use facial recognition software to make sure you don't share your accounts. That is, unless you're black
sources: news article giving a tl;dr and the patent itself + Show Spoiler +
But of course, all of this blatant invasion of privacy for the sake of marketing data and DRM is whisked away because I will apparently turn into Tony Stark because it has the ability to turn on when I say "Xbox On" and that's such an innovative future. No, fuck that. You're god damn right Microsoft has an agenda. They have a strategy. They put all this futuristic fancy shit that people see in movies just like you're bringing up so that people go "OHHHH WOW SOOO FUTURISTIC" and get sucked into this shit. That's all they have at this point, completely trivial "advancements" that serve no actual function for the consumer. The Xbox One is an entertainment system that makes the lives of developers (except indie developers, of course) much easier and makes the job of the MPAA much easier but it makes the lives of consumers much more frustrating.
I'm not an internet hate machine bandwagoner because I don't want a camera in my house monitoring what products I have around me so that it can target ads towards me. Yes, that's pretty fucking cool from a technological standpoint but innovation and technological progress is not inherently good. The reason you're seeing all this 'mindless' hatred right now is because we've already exhausted all the facts. Everyone knows the bullshit Microsoft is pulling right now. We went over this weeks ago, we've burnt ourselves out on it. We already know that Microsoft is using their camera to monitor your emotions and heartbeat and is memorizing faces so it can keep track of licensing and account sharing and shit. What we're doing now is enjoying Microsoft trying to pick up the pieces and failing miserably at it, like, for instance, sending employees to the Wii U event to try and convince people to purchase an Xbox instead.
Perhaps most damaging is the used game market being obliterated. Yes, you can share your games with 10 friends. Guess what, only one person can play the game at a time and anyone who doesn't have the license to the game (ie: the people who are getting the game shared to them) can only play it one hour per day too. If you want to actually give someone the game, you can only give it to one person you've had on your friendslist for at least 30 days and once they get it, that's it. The original owner can never get it back, and the person who gets it gifted to them can never trade it away again.
This is all of course because of the supposed negative effects used games have on the industry. Cliff Bleszinski furthered this notion, which I can only assume Microsoft execs hold a similar opinion, that the fundamental aspect of property rights and consumer rights as it has existed since the beginning of trade should be adjusted and recodified on a per-industry basis. Not because it's inherently bad or unethical, but just because they think it's a threat to the industries health. Which means essentially arguing for and implementing protectionism for corporations.
The industry does not come first; consumers do. I have no sympathy for a market that cannot properly stumble its way through a secondhand market like every other mature industry in the world. If this industry can't find a way to make money off of the primary market -- even with DLC and exclusive pre-order content and HD re-releases and map packs and online passes and annualized sequels and "expanding the audience" and AAA advertising then, if I may be so blunt, fuck it. It doesn't deserve our money in the first place.
If an entire industry has its head so far up its ass focused on short term gains and has embraced such a catastrophically stupid blockbuster business model in pursuit of a stagnant market of harcore 18-34 dudebros that it thinks it has no choice but to take away our first-sale rights as its last chance of, maybe, finally, creating a sustainable stream of profits then it can go to hell. It doesn't need your protection, it needs to be taken back and beaten until it remembers who its real masters are.
On June 16 2013 20:36 MoneyHypeMike wrote: Anyone who think Xbox One will not sell well is a fool and should wait until both console release.
People seem to forget that not only gamers buy console...
You seems to know nothing about recent history of console. Just because Xbox360 has a large install base in the US doesn't mean X1 will sell well. There are 53 millions PS2 at the time Sony launched PS3 but because of the 599 pricetag they alienate themselves from mainstream customers.
Xbox360 now has just about 44 millions in the US, and gamers will jump ships esp when there is little to no difference between PS4 and X1 but PS4 is $100 cheapers. The last time Sony undercut their opponent by $100 Sega never recover and nearly went out of business. Ofc MS is much bigger than Sega, they will not go out of business but they'd have damn difficult time to fight with the PS4
For exclusives, if people think X1 has better exclusives they are just delusional, Sony owned the biggest inhouse studios in the industry. Look at PS3 exclusives and you can see how PS4 will pan out. With Naughty Dog alone, they made 4 PS3 exclusives during the last 5 years, all of which are top of food chain titles.
X1 relies on 3rd party exclusives which means it will be on PC from the get go, or even will end up on PS4 once their timed contracts are over(BioShock, Mass Effect comes to mind)
Also, there are many Japanese studio that only make PS3 games(cos Xbox360 is non-existance in Japan), many of those games are very good but never got imported to the English audiences. PS4 just might bring a portion of those games over and they will have an even bigger exclusive lineup which X1 can't never match.
Why you say ps3 has better exclusive than xbox 360. I just checked vgchartz and halo/gears of war/forza has outsold uncharted/gran turismo/killzone. Quite a lot I too. What I mean by that is double amount.
Go ahead and name Xbox360 exclusive? Basically only one noticeable is Halo series. Thats about it. The last of us, name one game on Xbox360 that surpass that and we are talking. Xbox360 hasn't got a good exclusives for like 2-3 years now.
The reason Xbox360 exclusives sell more is because of its install base in US which love FPS.
I know I will get downvoted into Oblivion over supporting the online functions of the X1 but I seriously think most of the gaming community is on the wrong side.
Sure it enforces a lot of restrictions on used games in particular, but it could end up being one of the best moves Microsoft has ever made. I just cannot stand the fact that half of Reddit hasn't taken the time to actually understand the vision that Microsoft is trying to achieve.
Whether you love it or hate it this is how innovation happens. These types of risks are what set the good from the great. This is a move I would have expected out of Apple, not Microsoft. As a gaming these are extremely exciting times. This move by Microsoft could pan out to shape gaming for generations to come.
Just my 2 cents
-JTMx29
It's literally an entire forum like this.
wow is this forum for rela? What is it, basically just a giant attempt by a bunch of xbox employees to look like impartial posters excited about the great new console??!?
I think most of them have this issue that they believe innovation is worth it for the sake of "innovation". I mean in that post I linked lies a prime example. He did not leave a single point of reasoning for his point why this was such a great leap forward. All he said was that it was a great move by Microsoft and it's moving us forward in terms of living a futuristic life so it must inherently be good. Innovation is supposed to be done to increase convenience and functionality, not done for the sake of doing it. They don't seem to understand this.
It's just shocking, it feels like something a group of 13 year olds would be doing. Freaking out because Xbox can be turned on by saying "Xbox On" like that somehow makes it worth the extra $100 because it's so futuristic.
The xbox can be used as a full entertainment system it has a hdmi in because of that. It's not futuristic it's a HTPC+game console if all you ever view it as is a game loader you're ignoring a large part of the system. Microsoft is looking to push people away from their computers and put a computer in the living room. Smartglass is suppose to be the keyboard and mouse, but it wont be long till 3rd parties put a wireless keyboard/mouse onto the machine.
But what full entertainment systems does it add? No one has been able to answer me from pages ago.
Yes, it acts as a pass-through like Google TV. But Microsoft is going to have the same problems that Google TV does, which is due to complexity and the wide number of devices. The CNET article on it says the Live TV search is separate from the VOD search, which means it doesn't have a universal search. Yes, it has a nice UI for live TV, but what if the cable companies wise up and do the same? And if I want to watch Netflix, I have to go to a different search system which, to me, is not substantially better than switching inputs and loading Netflix on a PS3 or 360 or PS4.
How will you control different systems through the same remote system? That's always been a problem for Google TV, what has MS done to fix the complexities?
It acts as a HTPC/media center, but aren't 360's and PS3's already doing that? I watched TSL3 on my big screen TV through a 360. I can already stream files on my computer to the TV.
So why is it a media powerhouse? All I've seen is slightly more convenience. This doesn't have a DVR for TV, just for games. And it's not a cable box. The cable box still controls everything, and Xfinity/Verizon/etc. could easily match the UI.
I lied so I'm going to respond to this a bit. I think it's just better integration at this point and convenience, which is a decent point still. I want to say comparable to cd players to walkmans to mp3 players type transition, but we honestly don't know at this point whether it's actually going to turn out like that (hence the talks about innovation, because none of us here can predict trends in technology sadly...).
Also the NFL partnership, which people who aren't American and who don't like football clearly don't care about, but I'm guessing a good number of owners will.
I also want to say why don't we mention about the reverse where Microsoft's pushing of Smartglass since 360 has made Sony copy the Smartglass concept, instead of saying that they're just the same console? I don't know, but an interesting different view of the thing
As someone who uses internet TV(basically what they are trying to push here it seems like) anyways, how honestly more convenient can you get between netflix, amazon video/prime, ? I can already control the system with voice commands thanks to the built in windows controls in windows 7. Are you telling me that hand gestures are going to honestly be that much quicker then a controller? Iunno about you but as someone who has used a controller all his life I don't even need a physical keyboard hooked up to my ps3 to type shit at roughly the same speed as if I was texting. Sure it's nice to bring your friends over and show off, "herp derp look at the cool shit I can do!" But at the end of the day no one has explained how this increases convenience. You can already rent and buy HD movies/tv/full feature games off xbox live and psn on the 360/ps3.
The trade thing isn't exactly anything to write home about either because you can also already do this, its just using a physical disk. Sure some digital only games you can't trade, but honestly if they're looking to restrict and kill used games this entire feature kills their argument unless they impose some stupid restriction, you can just "pass it on" so to speak. Person A gives to B to C to D to E, etc. which means they are essentially doing used games which means they won't be bringing us lower prices steam wise probably.
Of all the features they've presented the only one that seems remotely more convenient is the family library, its kind of similar to what we already have but with the ability to let other people's xbox download the game assuming they don't play at the same time in single player(unless they're in the same area supposedly. then its up to 2 people.) They still haven't said how this will work in multiplayer.
Why do they hate you so much? They hate you so much.
Honestly, why all the hate? When I got my Toyota, I didn't go around talking about how much Ford sucks. (tho I do know some people even do that too)
Well, do you go on forums in which there is a thread for comparing the two consoles? No? Well then, that'd be why. There are plenty of people who compare and argue about cars. This is a forum about video games, not cars so that's what we discuss here.
On June 17 2013 04:03 woody60707 wrote: Honestly, why all the hate? When I got my Toyota, I didn't go around talking about how much Ford sucks. (tho I do know some people even do that too)
this is more akin to bmw making their m3's heavier and heavier with newer models and big fans of the e30 m3's complaining how its this sucks. bmw didnt go around saying, "this is the new way take it or leave it" and in the end, they made the m1 which made all those people very happy.
gamers complaining about a video game console they've come to love because its changing for the worst. i think there is less ps4'ers hating on xbox (this is inevitable and same goes vice versa) and more of gamers in general hating on xbox.
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