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On April 30 2013 07:59 Serpico wrote:
The NBA said no to the best arena deal in the history of the league against a deal that wasnt even finished yet in Sac in an inferior economy/market. If this deal wasn't good enough, none will ever be to move a team. Seattle just became the NBA version of the NFL's usage of LA to leverage other cities to build new buildings or risk losing their teams. NBA played Seattle pretty hard. The money the NBA will make forcing cities to build new arenas outweighs the superior bankroll of the Seattle ownership.
Meh, I think this is just David Stern's last fuck you to the NBA before he retires.
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It's so sad that this is front page material though. Someone being gay shouldn't even be news.
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On April 30 2013 08:01 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 07:59 Serpico wrote:
The NBA said no to the best arena deal in the history of the league against a deal that wasnt even finished yet in Sac in an inferior economy/market. If this deal wasn't good enough, none will ever be to move a team. Seattle just became the NBA version of the NFL's usage of LA to leverage other cities to build new buildings or risk losing their teams. NBA played Seattle pretty hard. The money the NBA will make forcing cities to build new arenas outweighs the superior bankroll of the Seattle ownership. Meh, I think this is just David Stern's last fuck you to the NBA before he retires.
This could actually be a big benefit to the NBA and Stern's image in the end, it works out perfectly for him. The obscure city in the PNW gets to be leverage to scare other cities into benefiting the NBA. It's even better than the LA situation in the NFL because a more prominent/popular market doesnt have to get screwed.
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On April 30 2013 08:03 Ferrose wrote:It's so sad that this is front page material though. Someone being gay shouldn't even be news.
Unless it was Rudy Gay. Would be very ironic!
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On April 30 2013 08:05 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 08:03 Ferrose wrote:It's so sad that this is front page material though. Someone being gay shouldn't even be news. Unless it was Rudy Gay. Would be very ironic!
Rudy Gay and Kevin Love
Gay-Love <3
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Can't believe they said no to Microsoft money. Don't know if it is true, but I heard that a rich owner from India that was added to the Sac. ownership group might have sealed the deal. NBA is trying to get into the Indian market I guess.
It is wise to note though that the NBA can still vote to give it to Seattle, but it is a stretch to think they would go against the committee's recommendations.
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On April 30 2013 08:03 Ferrose wrote:It's so sad that this is front page material though. Someone being gay shouldn't even be news.
I'm pretty sure most people don't care.
Yahoo Sports used to have a problem with their filter where everytime someone mentioned Rudy Gay it changed it to Rudy Homosexual.
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On April 30 2013 08:03 Ferrose wrote:It's so sad that this is front page material though. Someone being gay shouldn't even be news.
Maybe but I think it speaks more about fans than Collins or ESPN or SI. Sports talk radio has been lit up all day and it's because a lot of people (many idiots) care.
Look at the response when Aemechi came out a few years ago. It was disgusting. I think fans have a bigger problem with it than most players do in this day and age.
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As much as I'd like the Sonics back I hope the NBA doesn't expand to 32 teams. The talent in the NBA is far too thin as is and adding two more teams would dilute the product even further.
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The Nets are fucking terrible
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Atlanta can't miss. This is fun to watch.
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On April 30 2013 08:40 RowdierBob wrote:
As much as I'd like the Sonics back I hope the NBA doesn't expand to 32 teams. The talent in the NBA is far too thin as is and adding two more teams would dilute the product even further.
The fact the NBA has a talent dilution problem says something about the state of basketball imo. Too hungry for the next jordan, teams like the 2004 Pistons are afterthoughts in the eyes of the bigwigs.
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I could make some joke about the Dime Smash twitter feed and some people's levels of intelligence, but I won't.
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On April 30 2013 09:25 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 08:40 RowdierBob wrote:
As much as I'd like the Sonics back I hope the NBA doesn't expand to 32 teams. The talent in the NBA is far too thin as is and adding two more teams would dilute the product even further. The fact the NBA has a talent dilution problem says something about the state of basketball imo. Too hungry for the next jordan, teams like the 2004 Pistons are afterthoughts in the eyes of the bigwigs.
I've long argued that the system is too favoured towards establishing "super teams". The new CBA goes some way towards being more punitive on teams that try to just outspend the others but I'd still like them to go a step further and do something like eliminate max contracts (or at least raise them).
There are just too many irrelevant teams in the NBA which creates a pretty big drag on the regular season (particular post AS break).
The race to 8th in the West this year was a great example of what the NBA could be if talent was more easily acquirable for certain teams that generally have no hope of adding talent outside of the draft. Obviously there are a lot more factors at play (awful FOs being a significant one) but there really isn't any merit in adding two new teams.
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I said some time ago that this was headed in a bad direction, especially in an international context, and was shouted down.
The problem isn't that there aren't enough superstars- there aren't and you just have to deal with it- but that the superstar mentality has poisoned the fanbase from appreciating any other type of basketball.
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Retarded girlie ball rules, how is that a flagrant.
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The problem is how do you stop it? I wonder if you did a comparison of the top 100 rookies for every year, if they're getting better or worse. There's still weaknesses in that approach, but I suspect rookies are getting less and less refined, and the only way to stop it is to change the culture (which is very, very difficult.) I think it's funny when people think (and I'm sure GMs do think this way) that staying in school an extra year is going to lower your stock, because you'll have less years in the NBA. How many players stick around on their first NBA team anyways, so why does that matter to the team that's drafting?
I guess there's some good signs this season, however, with guys like Paine, GR3 and others staying in college for further development. The DLeague and opening up to Europe and China has also helped the talent pool, I think. I'm sure we can support 30 teams worth of players, management just has to improve significantly.
The decline of college basketball should be a bigger story though. I saw someone in the March Madness thread saying college ball was the more "pure/proper" way to play basketball, and I just laughed. College basketball has gotten so bad.
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the heck chicago, deng not getting any looks down the stretch?
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What's unfortunate is that there are opposing reactionaries, those claiming there is a "pure" style and those that claim that no heed should be given to style, and they cancel each other out. There is good basketball and bad basketball and it comes in all styles. Teams are not good or bad for having no stars or having lots. The early 2000 Lakers were great with lots of stars, the Pistons were with none. The problem is when teams decide that having a star is more important than having a good basketball team and the fans agree.
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On April 30 2013 10:35 Jerubaal wrote:
What's unfortunate is that there are opposing reactionaries, those claiming there is a "pure" style and those that claim that no heed should be given to style, and they cancel each other out. There is good basketball and bad basketball and it comes in all styles. Teams are not good or bad for having no stars or having lots. The early 2000 Lakers were great with lots of stars, the Pistons were with none. The problem is when teams decide that having a star is more important than having a good basketball team and the fans agree.
To be fair, outside of Chauncey drawing 12314 fouls in the last 3 minutes of games, the Pistons had excellent ball movement. They went through stretches when no one could hit anything, but they were always good at getting open looks, especially out of inbounds. I'm pretty biased, but I considered it a good system/execution, even if people didn't make shots. When Flip came in and let people take 3s, it really exploded. EDIT: Ok, exploded isn't the right word but they became incredibly efficient.
What we see in college now is just really poor execution, because it's so many young players.
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