EPTNBA Playoffs 2013 - Page 61
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zulu_nation8
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On April 30 2013 09:25 Serpico wrote: The fact the NBA has a talent dilution problem says something about the state of basketball imo. Too hungry for the next jordan, teams like the 2004 Pistons are afterthoughts in the eyes of the bigwigs. That's just because the league has too many teams. It's not a mentality issue - stars produce more wins, and thus, are generally more well liked. On April 30 2013 10:52 RowdierBob wrote: College basketball is terrible; I never understand that argument. The game is so much more about hype and rivalries to the point where the game itself is somewhat irrelevant. You can't really watch college basketball in that state of mind. Like if the Platonic Form of BASKETBALL somehow existed, watching NCAA Division I basketball in 2013 is not going to give you a better impression the form than professional NBA basketball in 2013. But I think it's totally true that college basketball players play harder, or at least, play harder most of the time. Just watch games 75-82 for teams that have locked up a playoff spot and tell me that's not true. I don't fault NBA players for that, it's the fault of the league. Anyways, getting back to the important point, college basketball is just fun to watch because it's so different from NBA basketball. They should definitely lower the shot clock though. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On April 30 2013 11:02 RowdierBob wrote: This is a bit of a misnomer in relation to that Pistons team though. They had a once in a generation defensive big man in Ben Wallace. I think some peeps forget just how good he was on that side of the court. You had All-Stars in Big-Ben, Chauncey, Rip and Sheed. Not to mention Prince and Chauncey were pretty elite wing defenders. And then you had icing like Williamson, Okur and old man Elden Campbell off the bench. I think that team was full of stars and I'd even argue that Ben Wallace was their "superstar". That's the thing, though. It has more to do with image and marketing than basketball skills. I can see the argument for preferring college football over NFL, but I lose it at basketball. Maybe because in football you are primarily playing against the other players, who are all worse, while in basketball you are playing against the hoop to some extent. As far as the NCAA goes, burn it all down. That's not the purpose of these educational institutions. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On April 30 2013 12:00 Jibba wrote: I think teams have always tried to stack the deck, it just goes in cycles. Remember when the Magic almost got TMac, Hill and Duncan together? Duncan was pretty close to it, and unfortunately Hill was pretty injured but just imagine if that had gone through like they planned (without all the injuries.) That might've been even more stacking than Wade/Lebron/Bosh. Sure, but it never manifested, so we are left with the what-ifs, which is pretty cool until it actually happens. I vaguely remember LA trying to stack the deck too in early 2000's. Also, none of those players were like let's do this by my own choice. Teams can try to stack, but players themselves don't stack. Maybe my NBA history is a bit weak, but I don't remember KG, Ray Allen, Pierce all plot their way to the Big 3 in Boston. Lastly, you never saw conference rivals get together, like fuck it, fuck the last X years of me trying to get to the playoffs/championship through you. It somehow cheapens the championship. How is this even a competitive atmosphere? Edit: I should have prefaced the college basketball post with the fact that I live in KY where college bball is like the 3rd most important thing after Life and God. So maybe it's different elsewhere, the town like goes noticeably quieter during games, home or away, think plan our lives around this shit. People fucking camp out for tickets DAYS ahead of time to get tickets...for an exhibition game, I've met people who use up their yearly sick leave to do that. I don't even like UK or UoL (actually hate them both and actively wish them to lose every game), but I can appreciate the hype. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Also, Rodman went to the Bulls. :| Rockets did it too with Clyde and Barkley, only Barkley was a bit late. I guess Drexler was traded though, but Barkley went to the Rockets the same number of years into his career as KG did to the C's. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
On April 30 2013 12:13 Jibba wrote: I think volatility is primarily what makes college sports more exciting than professional sports, but that doesn't mean people are playing well. It's kind of like the foreigner and Korean BW or foreigner and Chinese DotA comparison. Top Koreans/Chinese teams are so good and so sound that upsets are less likely to happen, because they don't make many mistakes or blunders. A lot of games seem pre-determined because one side is good enough and consistent enough to shut down the other 9/10 times. On the other hand, there's a lot more upsets in the foreigner scene because so many more mistakes are made. While the best foreigners have the skill to completely shut down someone worse than them, they might only do it 3/5 times. That and they play BO1s =D SC2 needs more BO1s. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On April 30 2013 12:23 Jibba wrote: Hill and later McGrady were definitely in on trying to recruit the others. Also, Rodman went to the Bulls. :| Sure, but they didn't go to Hill and McGrady. Rodman, HoF-er as he was, wasn't league defining individual. Rodman isn't a franchise. Edit: Barkley didn't age well in Houston, I was there when he was traded, not the Sir Charles. Houston was trying hard to rebuild, but never really amounted to anything. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On April 30 2013 10:38 Jibba wrote: To be fair, outside of Chauncey drawing 12314 fouls in the last 3 minutes of games, the Pistons had excellent ball movement. They went through stretches when no one could hit anything, but they were always good at getting open looks, especially out of inbounds. I'm pretty biased, but I considered it a good system/execution, even if people didn't make shots. When Flip came in and let people take 3s, it really exploded. EDIT: Ok, exploded isn't the right word but they became incredibly efficient. What we see in college now is just really poor execution, because it's so many young players. I think its the 35 second shot clock O_O | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Jibba
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On April 30 2013 12:35 Ace wrote: @Judicator: there has been a ton of talk that if Lebron and Wade ever met in the playoffs they would have put on a classic (like their legendaey regular season games). Since they never met that real rivalry never developed and thus, this is what happened. Blame the Boston Celtics Yes, I blame the players with no pride. Like I can understand Boston and each of the big 3's motivations, like they paid their dues on some shitty shitty teams, so when they finally said fuck it to their going-nowhere-career-heading-into-tailend plight, I can understand that. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
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RowdierBob
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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RowdierBob
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On April 30 2013 13:19 Jerubaal wrote: I haven't been particularly impressed with Harden this series. After that airball, as many TOs as FGA, I think. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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