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College basketball is terrible; I never understand that argument. The game is so much more about hype and rivalries to the point where the game itself is somewhat irrelevant.
The NBA has always been dominated by a small pool of teams and people just seem to accept that "that's the way it is". I certainly think there's a lot of merit to the argument that the NBA gears itself more towards an entertainment product rather than having any interest in competitive parity between teams. Having super teams suits the NBA and I think they'd rather see teams finishing with 65+ wins rather than every team hovering between 40-50.
I love the NBA but the predictability of the product gets a little depressing. You can sit down at the start of any season and predict pretty reliably who the top teams will be. The West has been quite refreshing this year in that so many teams have been of high quality but, yikes, look at the East: Miami is going to sleepwalk to the NBA Finals. But even in saying that, it was still going to be Miami vs OKC/Spurs. Only now with WB's injury has that changed.
You can't legislate against the stupidity of an FO like Toronto but honestly a lot of FOs aren't as bad as some make out but the deck is stacked against them to the point it's hard for them to compete.
I know a lot of people won't agree with me but I prefer an NBA with Bosh at the Raps, Wade at the Heat and LBJ with the Cavs.
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finally a good start for the rockets
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Maybe they won't be swept T_T I feel like they deserve to get on the board after those super close games 
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and i say that, 3 straight TOs for 7 points
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On April 30 2013 10:35 Jerubaal wrote:
What's unfortunate is that there are opposing reactionaries, those claiming there is a "pure" style and those that claim that no heed should be given to style, and they cancel each other out. There is good basketball and bad basketball and it comes in all styles. Teams are not good or bad for having no stars or having lots. The early 2000 Lakers were great with lots of stars, the Pistons were with none. The problem is when teams decide that having a star is more important than having a good basketball team and the fans agree.
This is a bit of a misnomer in relation to that Pistons team though.
They had a once in a generation defensive big man in Ben Wallace. I think some peeps forget just how good he was on that side of the court. You had All-Stars in Big-Ben, Chauncey, Rip and Sheed. Not to mention Prince and Chauncey were pretty elite wing defenders. And then you had icing like Williamson, Okur and old man Elden Campbell off the bench. I think that team was full of stars and I'd even argue that Ben Wallace was their "superstar".
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what's happened to harden's ft lately....been so poort
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Aha, that travel was amazing.
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On April 30 2013 11:02 RowdierBob wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 10:35 Jerubaal wrote:
What's unfortunate is that there are opposing reactionaries, those claiming there is a "pure" style and those that claim that no heed should be given to style, and they cancel each other out. There is good basketball and bad basketball and it comes in all styles. Teams are not good or bad for having no stars or having lots. The early 2000 Lakers were great with lots of stars, the Pistons were with none. The problem is when teams decide that having a star is more important than having a good basketball team and the fans agree. This is a bit of a misnomer in relation to that Pistons team though. They had a once in a generation defensive big man in Ben Wallace. I think some peeps forget just how good he was on that side of the court. You had All-Stars in Big-Ben, Chauncey, Rip and Sheed. Not to mention Prince and Chauncey were pretty elite wing defenders. And then you had icing like Williamson, Okur and old man Elden Campbell off the bench. I think that team was full of stars and I'd even argue that Ben Wallace was their "superstar".
MIKE JAMES AND LINDSEY HUNTER
When was the last time a team could consistently full court press and get traps? Those two would get it like 2/3 times in a row.
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On April 30 2013 10:10 Jerubaal wrote:
I said some time ago that this was headed in a bad direction, especially in an international context, and was shouted down.
The problem isn't that there aren't enough superstars- there aren't and you just have to deal with it- but that the superstar mentality has poisoned the fanbase from appreciating any other type of basketball.
well said. not sure if I shouted you down before  but I agree with this view the more I get into sports betting and talking to casual fans about basketball.
Miami was one of the most hated teams for playing "iso" ball, even tho I thought they were team oriented in 2011. They win in 2012 and play an even more team oriented style - and all casuals can tell me is Lebron is the reason they win and can't even tell me how Miami actually plays.
The promotion of raw scoring has overvalued some inferfior aspects of the sport.
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On April 30 2013 11:14 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 10:10 Jerubaal wrote:
I said some time ago that this was headed in a bad direction, especially in an international context, and was shouted down.
The problem isn't that there aren't enough superstars- there aren't and you just have to deal with it- but that the superstar mentality has poisoned the fanbase from appreciating any other type of basketball. well said. not sure if I shouted you down before but I agree with this view the more I get into sports betting and talking to casual fans about basketball. Miami was one of the most hated teams for playing "iso" ball, even tho I thought they were team oriented in 2011. They win in 2012 and play an even more team oriented style - and all casuals can tell me is Lebron is the reason they win and can't even tell me how Miami actually plays. The promotion of raw scoring has overvalued some inferfior aspects of the sport.
Not disagreeing with your points but LeBron is the reason they win! 
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and a really stacked team too, but if that's the depth of the answer for why Miami is good I'd just rather listen to ESPN.
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And your last sentence is so true. It's why guys like Rudy Gay, Monta, Jennings, Josh Smith etc get so overvalued in the NBA. They're not necessarily bad players but get extremely overvalued. Unfortunately for the casual fan they don't understand how a player could average 20ppg and be a net negative for a team
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College basketball is horrible. And the NCAA is the most corrupt criminal organization allowed to operate in the US. Its a fucking joke.
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lol. okc getting every single call
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On April 30 2013 11:24 Ace wrote:
College basketball is horrible. And the NCAA is the most corrupt criminal organization allowed to operate in the US. Its a fucking joke.
? That's a random outburst...
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I think that's why Lebron has won me over from someone who used to hate his guts (as a player.) Lebron's passing is just outrageous at times, and it's not because he's running just PnRs or going ISO. He passes from every situation, whether it's in the post, cutting or playing PG. He enables the Heat to run just about any type of offense they want, which is just unfair.
They're right in a sense that no one else can really fill Lebron's role, but it's not because of the 27ppg, it's because of the passing.
There was recently some Youtube footage of a 14 year old kid, Seventh Woods, who some people are calling the next Lebron. The most ridiculous thing about that label, aside from comparing a 14yo to an 18yo, is that the video is just the kid dunking and scoring. You watch Lebron's highschool footage and it was (you guessed it!) the passing that really stood out.
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On April 30 2013 11:28 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 11:24 Ace wrote:
College basketball is horrible. And the NCAA is the most corrupt criminal organization allowed to operate in the US. Its a fucking joke. ? That's a random outburst...
RB was talking about college basketball at the top of the page, I just didn't quote it.
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harden 7 TOs in the first half...
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On April 30 2013 11:31 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 11:28 Judicator wrote:On April 30 2013 11:24 Ace wrote:
College basketball is horrible. And the NCAA is the most corrupt criminal organization allowed to operate in the US. Its a fucking joke. ? That's a random outburst... RB was talking about college basketball at the top of the page, I just didn't quote it.
Yeah, just saw it.
I like CB more and more as I got older, or rather after the NBA got more and more bland. None of the games appeal to me, it's just like CB seems more exciting when one of the alleged top teams get tested through the season. The quality of basketball isn't low enough for me to start questioning my enjoyment of the product, simply because it's fun watching a top ranked team in a tight game against someone they should beat by 20.
Pro ball in recent years have gotten extremely boring like RB said, it's just like there's no rivalry, there's no story line, it's just a game of highlights that make you go ooohhh for 20 seconds the next day. No excitement, I am a Laker fan and I don't even feel bad at all for their sweep.
We don't get that kind of can team X win this series, Shaq's Lakers were tested, even Jordan's Bulls were subjected to this. Now it's like when does Miami get their trophy cause short of a miracle series on Indiana and some turn-back-the-clock magic from the Spurs, I don't see this going down any differently.
Maybe I am just being nostalgic, but the NBA just felt so much better before all of this bullshit let's stack the deck, and go for it. No pride whatsoever.
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I think teams have always tried to stack the deck, it just goes in cycles. Remember when the Magic almost got TMac, Hill and Duncan together? Duncan was pretty close to it, and unfortunately Hill was pretty injured but just imagine if that had gone through like they planned (without all the injuries.) That might've been even more stacking than Wade/Lebron/Bosh.
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