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On January 09 2013 06:48 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Do want.
Where the hell have you been?
@people misinterpreting my comment: What I'm saying is that you don't need 150 new pokemon every damn game, you have a roster of over 500. Where's our "Greatest Hits?" Why are we always forced to learn 150 new ones until after we beat the game and it becomes boring anyway*.
*EV training and RNGing things for actual tournament play is the most boring possible thing I could think of, and I've done it before back in HG.
What I'd really like to see is the same sort of new challenges that they keep coming out with, but with a mix of older and newer pokemon available for capture. Something like in the original Gold/Silver versions where you could still capture stuff like Magnemite in Jhoto.
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On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best.
God forbid they try to add something new to the game to keep in fresh.
On January 08 2013 23:56 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:30 antilyon wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. I don't agree with this, I for one always expect what change they'll bring to multiplayer with new movesets, new pokemons, typesets and mechanics. Also, one game focused only on the original 150 would be neat, but I wouldn't play a second one. New movesets and mechanics, fine. Just update the old pokemon and add a few new ones. So fricking boring having to learn 300 new ridiculous pokemon every time a new generation is released, especially since it's obvious they spend about 5 seconds inventing each pokemon because they need such a ridiculous mass of them.
Generation V is actually the biggest one, adding 155 new Pokemon. Before that, no generation had added more than Generation III, which added 134.
I suggest taking off your rose-colored glasses and actually try playing the newer games, instead of just claiming the original ones are the best for no reason other than your nostalgia.
On January 09 2013 06:58 deth2munkies wrote:Where the hell have you been? @people misinterpreting my comment: What I'm saying is that you don't need 150 new pokemon every damn game, you have a roster of over 500. Where's our "Greatest Hits?" Why are we always forced to learn 150 new ones until after we beat the game and it becomes boring anyway*. *EV training and RNGing things for actual tournament play is the most boring possible thing I could think of, and I've done it before back in HG. What I'd really like to see is the same sort of new challenges that they keep coming out with, but with a mix of older and newer pokemon available for capture. Something like in the original Gold/Silver versions where you could still capture stuff like Magnemite in Jhoto.
You can still capture older Pokemon in the newer games?
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On January 09 2013 07:00 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. God forbid they try to add something new to the game to keep in fresh. Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 23:56 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 22:30 antilyon wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. I don't agree with this, I for one always expect what change they'll bring to multiplayer with new movesets, new pokemons, typesets and mechanics. Also, one game focused only on the original 150 would be neat, but I wouldn't play a second one. New movesets and mechanics, fine. Just update the old pokemon and add a few new ones. So fricking boring having to learn 300 new ridiculous pokemon every time a new generation is released, especially since it's obvious they spend about 5 seconds inventing each pokemon because they need such a ridiculous mass of them. Generation V is actually the biggest one, adding 155 new Pokemon. Before that, no generation had added more than Generation III, which added 134. I suggest taking off your rose-colored glasses and actually try playing the newer games, instead of just claiming the original ones are the best for no reason other than your nostalgia. Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 06:58 deth2munkies wrote:On January 09 2013 06:48 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Do want. Where the hell have you been? @people misinterpreting my comment: What I'm saying is that you don't need 150 new pokemon every damn game, you have a roster of over 500. Where's our "Greatest Hits?" Why are we always forced to learn 150 new ones until after we beat the game and it becomes boring anyway*. *EV training and RNGing things for actual tournament play is the most boring possible thing I could think of, and I've done it before back in HG. What I'd really like to see is the same sort of new challenges that they keep coming out with, but with a mix of older and newer pokemon available for capture. Something like in the original Gold/Silver versions where you could still capture stuff like Magnemite in Jhoto. You can still capture older Pokemon in the newer games?
Not till after you get the National Dex. By the time you get that, the game's over.
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On January 09 2013 07:03 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 07:00 Ferrose wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. God forbid they try to add something new to the game to keep in fresh. On January 08 2013 23:56 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 22:30 antilyon wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. I don't agree with this, I for one always expect what change they'll bring to multiplayer with new movesets, new pokemons, typesets and mechanics. Also, one game focused only on the original 150 would be neat, but I wouldn't play a second one. New movesets and mechanics, fine. Just update the old pokemon and add a few new ones. So fricking boring having to learn 300 new ridiculous pokemon every time a new generation is released, especially since it's obvious they spend about 5 seconds inventing each pokemon because they need such a ridiculous mass of them. Generation V is actually the biggest one, adding 155 new Pokemon. Before that, no generation had added more than Generation III, which added 134. I suggest taking off your rose-colored glasses and actually try playing the newer games, instead of just claiming the original ones are the best for no reason other than your nostalgia. On January 09 2013 06:58 deth2munkies wrote:On January 09 2013 06:48 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Do want. Where the hell have you been? @people misinterpreting my comment: What I'm saying is that you don't need 150 new pokemon every damn game, you have a roster of over 500. Where's our "Greatest Hits?" Why are we always forced to learn 150 new ones until after we beat the game and it becomes boring anyway*. *EV training and RNGing things for actual tournament play is the most boring possible thing I could think of, and I've done it before back in HG. What I'd really like to see is the same sort of new challenges that they keep coming out with, but with a mix of older and newer pokemon available for capture. Something like in the original Gold/Silver versions where you could still capture stuff like Magnemite in Jhoto. You can still capture older Pokemon in the newer games? Not till after you get the National Dex. By the time you get that, the game's over.
No, I'm pretty sure many older generation Pokemon appear naturally before you get the national dex. In every game except Black and White 1.
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On January 09 2013 07:04 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 07:03 deth2munkies wrote:On January 09 2013 07:00 Ferrose wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. God forbid they try to add something new to the game to keep in fresh. On January 08 2013 23:56 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 22:30 antilyon wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. I don't agree with this, I for one always expect what change they'll bring to multiplayer with new movesets, new pokemons, typesets and mechanics. Also, one game focused only on the original 150 would be neat, but I wouldn't play a second one. New movesets and mechanics, fine. Just update the old pokemon and add a few new ones. So fricking boring having to learn 300 new ridiculous pokemon every time a new generation is released, especially since it's obvious they spend about 5 seconds inventing each pokemon because they need such a ridiculous mass of them. Generation V is actually the biggest one, adding 155 new Pokemon. Before that, no generation had added more than Generation III, which added 134. I suggest taking off your rose-colored glasses and actually try playing the newer games, instead of just claiming the original ones are the best for no reason other than your nostalgia. On January 09 2013 06:58 deth2munkies wrote:On January 09 2013 06:48 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Do want. Where the hell have you been? @people misinterpreting my comment: What I'm saying is that you don't need 150 new pokemon every damn game, you have a roster of over 500. Where's our "Greatest Hits?" Why are we always forced to learn 150 new ones until after we beat the game and it becomes boring anyway*. *EV training and RNGing things for actual tournament play is the most boring possible thing I could think of, and I've done it before back in HG. What I'd really like to see is the same sort of new challenges that they keep coming out with, but with a mix of older and newer pokemon available for capture. Something like in the original Gold/Silver versions where you could still capture stuff like Magnemite in Jhoto. You can still capture older Pokemon in the newer games? Not till after you get the National Dex. By the time you get that, the game's over. No, I'm pretty sure many older generation Pokemon appear naturally before you get the national dex. In every game except Black and White 1.
I was lead to believe it was the same in B&W 2, I refuse to buy a direct sequel to a game undeserving of one. Not that it's a bad game, just not sequel worthy. I'm also fairly certain that it was true for the most part in DPPt where they showed up post national dex and largely in swarms/pokeradar stuff, with a few exceptions (I think you could catch zubat and houndour, but I don't recall many more).
Regardless, the franchise is overdue for a "Greatest Hits" game, they have more than enough to populate every kind of terrain with pokemon that people LIKE (read: Not Zubat and Geodude every 2 steps in caves).
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On January 09 2013 07:10 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 07:04 Ferrose wrote:On January 09 2013 07:03 deth2munkies wrote:On January 09 2013 07:00 Ferrose wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. God forbid they try to add something new to the game to keep in fresh. On January 08 2013 23:56 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 22:30 antilyon wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. I don't agree with this, I for one always expect what change they'll bring to multiplayer with new movesets, new pokemons, typesets and mechanics. Also, one game focused only on the original 150 would be neat, but I wouldn't play a second one. New movesets and mechanics, fine. Just update the old pokemon and add a few new ones. So fricking boring having to learn 300 new ridiculous pokemon every time a new generation is released, especially since it's obvious they spend about 5 seconds inventing each pokemon because they need such a ridiculous mass of them. Generation V is actually the biggest one, adding 155 new Pokemon. Before that, no generation had added more than Generation III, which added 134. I suggest taking off your rose-colored glasses and actually try playing the newer games, instead of just claiming the original ones are the best for no reason other than your nostalgia. On January 09 2013 06:58 deth2munkies wrote:On January 09 2013 06:48 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Do want. Where the hell have you been? @people misinterpreting my comment: What I'm saying is that you don't need 150 new pokemon every damn game, you have a roster of over 500. Where's our "Greatest Hits?" Why are we always forced to learn 150 new ones until after we beat the game and it becomes boring anyway*. *EV training and RNGing things for actual tournament play is the most boring possible thing I could think of, and I've done it before back in HG. What I'd really like to see is the same sort of new challenges that they keep coming out with, but with a mix of older and newer pokemon available for capture. Something like in the original Gold/Silver versions where you could still capture stuff like Magnemite in Jhoto. You can still capture older Pokemon in the newer games? Not till after you get the National Dex. By the time you get that, the game's over. No, I'm pretty sure many older generation Pokemon appear naturally before you get the national dex. In every game except Black and White 1. I was lead to believe it was the same in B&W 2, I refuse to buy a direct sequel to a game undeserving of one. Not that it's a bad game, just not sequel worthy. I'm also fairly certain that it was true for the most part in DPPt where they showed up post national dex and largely in swarms/pokeradar stuff, with a few exceptions (I think you could catch zubat and houndour, but I don't recall many more). Regardless, the franchise is overdue for a "Greatest Hits" game, they have more than enough to populate every kind of terrain with pokemon that people LIKE (read: Not Zubat and Geodude every 2 steps in caves).
What else would you have in caves? When you're going into a cave in Pokemon, what do you think? Taking Zubat and Geodude out of the caves is ruining the nostalgia aspect of the game.
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On January 09 2013 07:10 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 07:04 Ferrose wrote:On January 09 2013 07:03 deth2munkies wrote:On January 09 2013 07:00 Ferrose wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. God forbid they try to add something new to the game to keep in fresh. On January 08 2013 23:56 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 22:30 antilyon wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. I don't agree with this, I for one always expect what change they'll bring to multiplayer with new movesets, new pokemons, typesets and mechanics. Also, one game focused only on the original 150 would be neat, but I wouldn't play a second one. New movesets and mechanics, fine. Just update the old pokemon and add a few new ones. So fricking boring having to learn 300 new ridiculous pokemon every time a new generation is released, especially since it's obvious they spend about 5 seconds inventing each pokemon because they need such a ridiculous mass of them. Generation V is actually the biggest one, adding 155 new Pokemon. Before that, no generation had added more than Generation III, which added 134. I suggest taking off your rose-colored glasses and actually try playing the newer games, instead of just claiming the original ones are the best for no reason other than your nostalgia. On January 09 2013 06:58 deth2munkies wrote:On January 09 2013 06:48 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Do want. Where the hell have you been? @people misinterpreting my comment: What I'm saying is that you don't need 150 new pokemon every damn game, you have a roster of over 500. Where's our "Greatest Hits?" Why are we always forced to learn 150 new ones until after we beat the game and it becomes boring anyway*. *EV training and RNGing things for actual tournament play is the most boring possible thing I could think of, and I've done it before back in HG. What I'd really like to see is the same sort of new challenges that they keep coming out with, but with a mix of older and newer pokemon available for capture. Something like in the original Gold/Silver versions where you could still capture stuff like Magnemite in Jhoto. You can still capture older Pokemon in the newer games? Not till after you get the National Dex. By the time you get that, the game's over. No, I'm pretty sure many older generation Pokemon appear naturally before you get the national dex. In every game except Black and White 1. I was lead to believe it was the same in B&W 2, I refuse to buy a direct sequel to a game undeserving of one. Not that it's a bad game, just not sequel worthy. I'm also fairly certain that it was true for the most part in DPPt where they showed up post national dex and largely in swarms/pokeradar stuff, with a few exceptions (I think you could catch zubat and houndour, but I don't recall many more). Regardless, the franchise is overdue for a "Greatest Hits" game, they have more than enough to populate every kind of terrain with pokemon that people LIKE (read: Not Zubat and Geodude every 2 steps in caves).
You need common things, and they can't be cool things if they're common. Imagine if, say, Dratini, Larvitar, and Beldum were common. Sure, it'd be sweet to get them easily, but your Dragonite, Tyranitar, and Metagross wouldn't feel nearly as cool. Even uncommon but cool things like Growlithe would get boring to me if I saw one every 3 steps.
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I always wished Pokemon would have a game in the series be a real challenge/different. Start in some snow area or something and don't have the 3 normal starters, have ones with different elements that aren't necessarily the best for that area (for example a poison type, an ice type, a fighter type, etc).
Allowing the player to choose rules (normal, Nuzlocke-equivalent, etc) would be another idea I think would be awesome and bring a ton of replay value. I know you can just enforce rules on yourself, but it's more fun when the game makes them IMO instead of you forcing a challenge on yourself.
I still love Pokemon games, I just wish they added some variations to it.
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AWESOME.
Froakie for sure.
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The legendary pokemon look retarded, but probably gonna buy it. Am getting a 3ds anyway for FE 13, so..
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On January 09 2013 07:19 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 07:10 deth2munkies wrote:On January 09 2013 07:04 Ferrose wrote:On January 09 2013 07:03 deth2munkies wrote:On January 09 2013 07:00 Ferrose wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. God forbid they try to add something new to the game to keep in fresh. On January 08 2013 23:56 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 22:30 antilyon wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. I don't agree with this, I for one always expect what change they'll bring to multiplayer with new movesets, new pokemons, typesets and mechanics. Also, one game focused only on the original 150 would be neat, but I wouldn't play a second one. New movesets and mechanics, fine. Just update the old pokemon and add a few new ones. So fricking boring having to learn 300 new ridiculous pokemon every time a new generation is released, especially since it's obvious they spend about 5 seconds inventing each pokemon because they need such a ridiculous mass of them. Generation V is actually the biggest one, adding 155 new Pokemon. Before that, no generation had added more than Generation III, which added 134. I suggest taking off your rose-colored glasses and actually try playing the newer games, instead of just claiming the original ones are the best for no reason other than your nostalgia. On January 09 2013 06:58 deth2munkies wrote:On January 09 2013 06:48 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Do want. Where the hell have you been? @people misinterpreting my comment: What I'm saying is that you don't need 150 new pokemon every damn game, you have a roster of over 500. Where's our "Greatest Hits?" Why are we always forced to learn 150 new ones until after we beat the game and it becomes boring anyway*. *EV training and RNGing things for actual tournament play is the most boring possible thing I could think of, and I've done it before back in HG. What I'd really like to see is the same sort of new challenges that they keep coming out with, but with a mix of older and newer pokemon available for capture. Something like in the original Gold/Silver versions where you could still capture stuff like Magnemite in Jhoto. You can still capture older Pokemon in the newer games? Not till after you get the National Dex. By the time you get that, the game's over. No, I'm pretty sure many older generation Pokemon appear naturally before you get the national dex. In every game except Black and White 1. I was lead to believe it was the same in B&W 2, I refuse to buy a direct sequel to a game undeserving of one. Not that it's a bad game, just not sequel worthy. I'm also fairly certain that it was true for the most part in DPPt where they showed up post national dex and largely in swarms/pokeradar stuff, with a few exceptions (I think you could catch zubat and houndour, but I don't recall many more). Regardless, the franchise is overdue for a "Greatest Hits" game, they have more than enough to populate every kind of terrain with pokemon that people LIKE (read: Not Zubat and Geodude every 2 steps in caves). What else would you have in caves? When you're going into a cave in Pokemon, what do you think? Taking Zubat and Geodude out of the caves is ruining the nostalgia aspect of the game.
Never said take them out, said more variety. Have Zubat, Geodude, Nosepass, Onix, Laravitar, all of them with more even spawn distributions (well Laravitar a bit lower I guess). There's no reason we can't do old AND new in these games, that was Black's biggest failure IMO...well that and the absurd haircuts and ridiculous story.
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On January 09 2013 07:03 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 07:00 Ferrose wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. God forbid they try to add something new to the game to keep in fresh. On January 08 2013 23:56 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 22:30 antilyon wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. I don't agree with this, I for one always expect what change they'll bring to multiplayer with new movesets, new pokemons, typesets and mechanics. Also, one game focused only on the original 150 would be neat, but I wouldn't play a second one. New movesets and mechanics, fine. Just update the old pokemon and add a few new ones. So fricking boring having to learn 300 new ridiculous pokemon every time a new generation is released, especially since it's obvious they spend about 5 seconds inventing each pokemon because they need such a ridiculous mass of them. Generation V is actually the biggest one, adding 155 new Pokemon. Before that, no generation had added more than Generation III, which added 134. I suggest taking off your rose-colored glasses and actually try playing the newer games, instead of just claiming the original ones are the best for no reason other than your nostalgia. On January 09 2013 06:58 deth2munkies wrote:On January 09 2013 06:48 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Do want. Where the hell have you been? @people misinterpreting my comment: What I'm saying is that you don't need 150 new pokemon every damn game, you have a roster of over 500. Where's our "Greatest Hits?" Why are we always forced to learn 150 new ones until after we beat the game and it becomes boring anyway*. *EV training and RNGing things for actual tournament play is the most boring possible thing I could think of, and I've done it before back in HG. What I'd really like to see is the same sort of new challenges that they keep coming out with, but with a mix of older and newer pokemon available for capture. Something like in the original Gold/Silver versions where you could still capture stuff like Magnemite in Jhoto. You can still capture older Pokemon in the newer games? Not till after you get the National Dex. By the time you get that, the game's over.
Only game where that is true it Pokemon White and Black. And you can always trade over or transfer Pokemon to the games.
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On January 09 2013 06:58 deth2munkies wrote:
*EV training and RNGing things for actual tournament play is the most boring possible thing I could think of, and I've done it before back in HG.
That's the only thing that I still enjoy in the game :/
IVs, on the other hand, are incredibly frustrating. You find your perfect calm Chansey, spend hours working on moveset/evs, and it's still not the best that it can be because of some random values that the game generated when it hatched.
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I love the 3D graphics so far, the game looks gorgeous and detailed. Might even consider buying a 3DS just for this because it looks like a huge innovation for the Pokemon series beyond graphics. If the Pokemon end up memorable, the world enjoyable and the story intriguing, this will be a great start to the Pokemon series in Gen VI.
(If the Fire starter ends up Fire/Fighting in the third stage, I will throw a fit)
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I've been waiting for this kind of improvement on the series for a long time. I enjoy B/W and B/W 2, but I felt like they really weren't what the series needed in terms of expansion, especially B/W 2. Hopefully this generation really adds some more to the games besides just stepping up to 3D, like perhaps making it more open world rather than linear routes? If they add a feature where more players could come to your game and interact with the world instead of just a gimmicky underground game or battles and trades would be really fantastic. I can't wait until October!
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On January 09 2013 07:42 Zorgaz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 07:03 deth2munkies wrote:On January 09 2013 07:00 Ferrose wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. God forbid they try to add something new to the game to keep in fresh. On January 08 2013 23:56 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 22:30 antilyon wrote:On January 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote:On January 08 2013 21:32 deth2munkies wrote:
Ran out of colors did we?
Unless they significantly improve the gameplay and restore some nostalgia value (by mixing generations in the first playthrough instead of giving us 150 new every time), I'm not gonna bother. This, personally I never understood the point of adding new ones. Sure, a few new pokemons per game to have something exotic... but the first generation is classic and is what people SHOULD be thinking about when they think about pokemons, every other pokemon is just filler BS. They should just make Pokemon Red/Blue in 3D. New world etc is OK, but no new damn pokemons, the first 150 are still the best. I don't agree with this, I for one always expect what change they'll bring to multiplayer with new movesets, new pokemons, typesets and mechanics. Also, one game focused only on the original 150 would be neat, but I wouldn't play a second one. New movesets and mechanics, fine. Just update the old pokemon and add a few new ones. So fricking boring having to learn 300 new ridiculous pokemon every time a new generation is released, especially since it's obvious they spend about 5 seconds inventing each pokemon because they need such a ridiculous mass of them. Generation V is actually the biggest one, adding 155 new Pokemon. Before that, no generation had added more than Generation III, which added 134. I suggest taking off your rose-colored glasses and actually try playing the newer games, instead of just claiming the original ones are the best for no reason other than your nostalgia. On January 09 2013 06:58 deth2munkies wrote:On January 09 2013 06:48 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Do want. Where the hell have you been? @people misinterpreting my comment: What I'm saying is that you don't need 150 new pokemon every damn game, you have a roster of over 500. Where's our "Greatest Hits?" Why are we always forced to learn 150 new ones until after we beat the game and it becomes boring anyway*. *EV training and RNGing things for actual tournament play is the most boring possible thing I could think of, and I've done it before back in HG. What I'd really like to see is the same sort of new challenges that they keep coming out with, but with a mix of older and newer pokemon available for capture. Something like in the original Gold/Silver versions where you could still capture stuff like Magnemite in Jhoto. You can still capture older Pokemon in the newer games? Not till after you get the National Dex. By the time you get that, the game's over. Only game where that is true it Pokemon White and Black. And you can always trade over or transfer Pokemon to the games.
What he said ^ My white 2 team is filled with somewhat older pokemon from different gens, and I haven't even got all the badges yet. There are older pokemon mixed throughout the whole game. One of the first I caught on white 2 was the pre-evolve of my favourite pokemon from the original Gold (Flaffy which becomes Mareep and them Ampharos!!) So I had a gen 2 pokemon in my team before I'd barely left the starter area.
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On January 09 2013 08:24 flavorless wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 06:58 deth2munkies wrote:
*EV training and RNGing things for actual tournament play is the most boring possible thing I could think of, and I've done it before back in HG. That's the only thing that I still enjoy in the game :/ IVs, on the other hand, are incredibly frustrating. You find your perfect calm Chansey, spend hours working on moveset/evs, and it's still not the best that it can be because of some random values that the game generated when it hatched.
Honestly, I think IVs need to go. Keep egg moves, give incentive to breeders. Remove IVs and I'll never open Pokesav again.
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Theme is likely based on genetics, possibly the nature vs nurture debate. The Japanese logos have DNA strands, and the X and Y is likely based on chromosomes. This can also develop further into the whole free will vs determinism debate, or become a darker story based on genetic modification, governmental control and revolution.
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