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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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PoulsenB
Poland7712 Posts
On November 21 2017 02:20 zer0das wrote: Makes Bohemia a vassal. Exiles them to Hungary/Croatia. Feels prototypically German. I actually vassalised them like 15 years earlier, they have been eaten almost entirely by Austria like 150 years prior and then existed as a 3-5 province minor kicked about by Poland and others. I vassalised them, crushed Austria and then ate remains of Hungary and gave their land to Bohemia to create a buffer state between Ottomans and the remains of Austria (which I planned to finish eating after the truce ran out, but then CoC hit and I lost interest in the campaign) | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
I am by no mean a great or a very experimented EU4 player so I probably made many mistake up to this point and I need you guys advice. First the tale of my game. My strategy at the start was to stop Ottoman expansion as much as I could so I took Cyprus, and almost all of the non-Ottoman province in Anatolia and allied Aq Qoyunlu. So pretty early on in the game came what I thought was my opportunity, Morocco declared war on Castille (with Aragon and Naples) and his allied Portugal, the Pope and Tunis in and Ottoman joined the war and send half of his army in Italy and the second half on foot across my territory. So I allied Castille, they call me in the war and I crush half on the Ottoman army who was suddenly stuck in the middle of Egypt, and then went on the take all the Ottoman province East of Istanbul. So at this point I am feeling pretty good about myself and I am thinking about what province I could take from the Ottoman in a separate peace. And then I took a look in Spain... Turn out Morocco beat the living crap out of everybody. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/TQN0lhz.jpg) Seriously what is this shit So anyway I finally settle on only having Moroco broke his alliance with the Ottoman before their war score gets to high (and also before the Ottoman army in Italy doesn't come back). So now change of plan, after losing a bit of time battling against the coptics nations and trying to help Aq Qoyunlu against the Ottoman, I decide to try to transfer to Arabic before the Ottoman inevitably kick my ass, so can have claims and better idea latter in the game against them. It goes pretty well up until the point while I was conquering Aden Ottoman declare war on me so I settle a peace with Aden as quick as I can, leaving them 2 provinces. These two (they are gonna mighty important later ) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Z40LOWv.jpg) So I manage to do surprisingly well against the Ottoman and Morocco, and only lose three not to good province in Anatolia, and go back to conquering Arabia. Baghdad and the province of the east coast were luckily pretty easy to take. And it's time to go back to Aden, which in the meanwhile got guarantee by Oman. So I get my army on the frontier of Aden open the war menu and then think, wait you now what I will put half of my army on the other side of Oman so I can attack them on two front, since I had to beat them anyway to get the finals province to form Arabia.I close the war menu, do that, open the war menu again... and then Ottoman had allied Aden. After a few minute of cursing at my screen Ottoman declared war on me, all my allied left me to died and I am now outnumber 4 to 1 and out tech, and will probably be loosing Arabic core to the Ottoman. So here's where I am + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/s0So9DD.jpg) And my question now is: Is there a way I don't get trash by the Ottoman for the next 200 years or should I just give up and start another campaign? | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Austria, Hungary, or Poland will probably ally you sooner or later. If not, get more diplomatic reputation. You're like one war from cutting them off from most of their expansion routes into the Middle East except through you. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
like i am out of ideas nerfed ottomans they say | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4736 Posts
Also usuall stuff. Try to ally Ottos rivals. Strike when he is in serious wars vs Austria/Hungary, Russia or PLC. Regarding Draculas Revange never actualy tried that. But i would guess it involves both luck and attack on Poland. | ||
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nimbim
Germany985 Posts
Then of course I got greedy and extended the war for 5 years, driving both me and the Ottomans to the brink of bankruptcy without accomplishing anything. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4736 Posts
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PoulsenB
Poland7712 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On November 24 2017 23:09 Scip wrote: One of the most important things to remember is that when you are warned, the nation that warned you can't declare war on you if you war a nation they are at war with. Let's say Ottomans warn you, then DoW Byzantium, you can then also declare on Byzantium, occupy as much territory as you can with 1 unit stacks (if the territory is occupied by you, Ottomans can't take it in a peace deal), while Ottos deal with the enemy army. This way you can often steal a lot of potential expansion from them, not only getting a lot of provinces yourself, but denying provinces away from them. It's gamey as fuck, but it's the main way to combat a massive hostile AI right next to your borders. Ive tried the no CB on Serbia method but it seems super RNG if you can keep them as a vassal long enough. Last game was my best chance, first time ive ever seen lithuania not ally poland instead ally the teuts and end up in a war with poland(wtf?) i got decent sized but the ottomans still declared and killed everyone so im kinda at a loss. i think PLC/Hungary could maybe win but thats still dicey, and half the time france or bohemia will ally them also. no way to get austria or venice without being catholic and no catholic provinces anywhere in sight | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On November 25 2017 05:35 arb wrote: Ive tried the no CB on Serbia method but it seems super RNG if you can keep them as a vassal long enough. Last game was my best chance, first time ive ever seen lithuania not ally poland instead ally the teuts and end up in a war with poland(wtf?) i got decent sized but the ottomans still declared and killed everyone so im kinda at a loss. i think PLC/Hungary could maybe win but thats still dicey, and half the time france or bohemia will ally them also. no way to get austria or venice without being catholic and no catholic provinces anywhere in sight Oh damn, I thought that Vlad's revenge can be done with Albania for some reason. I imagine that doing it as Moldavia is going to be a lot easier than Wallachia, as Wallachia is landlocked and can't expand into either Crimea nor the Caucasus region. If you can get independence as Moldavia, you should be able to just expand into there and in like 1600s become strong enough to 1v1 the Ottomans :D Although that's a pretty painful strategy. Problem is, Ottomans tend to be ahead of mil tech until tech 7 or so, because Mehmed Osmanoglu is so goddamn good. So you either have to war them while everyone is on tech 3, or waay later. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On November 25 2017 07:38 Scip wrote: Oh damn, I thought that Vlad's revenge can be done with Albania for some reason. I imagine that doing it as Moldavia is going to be a lot easier than Wallachia, as Wallachia is landlocked and can't expand into either Crimea nor the Caucasus region. If you can get independence as Moldavia, you should be able to just expand into there and in like 1600s become strong enough to 1v1 the Ottomans :D Although that's a pretty painful strategy. Problem is, Ottomans tend to be ahead of mil tech until tech 7 or so, because Mehmed Osmanoglu is so goddamn good. So you either have to war them while everyone is on tech 3, or waay later. Ive tried Moldavia the hardest part is the fact Hungary/Poland can be beaten but not being raped by the Ottomans is the hard part. Plus you gotta rely on the sketchy AI to do the lifting for you early | ||
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LetaBot
Netherlands557 Posts
Not sure if it would still work this patch. But the No-CB circassia and get strong in asia still works. | ||
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nothingmuch
448 Posts
On November 18 2017 00:54 Silvanel wrote: I also treated Otto as a final boss so i dont like them nerfed. I am not sure if balancing the game towards more casual players and at the same time spamming DLCs that only more dedicated players buy is wise. I dont want my game easy. I want my game FAIR. Pretty sure EU4 isn't the game for people that are looking for "FAIR". | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
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Vaftrudner
Sweden1185 Posts
On November 24 2017 14:49 arb wrote: How the fuck are you supposed to even do Draculas revenge? like i am out of ideas nerfed ottomans they say I did Draculas Revenge as Moldavia in the last patch. Took a few tries, but in the start I got Austria and Bohemia to support my independence, maintained those alliances and eventually allied Russia, slowly ate Poland and other parts of eastern Europe until we were strong enough to beat back the Ottomans in the late 1600s. Not the fastest strategy, but it worked for me! | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On November 24 2017 14:49 arb wrote: How the fuck are you supposed to even do Draculas revenge? like i am out of ideas nerfed ottomans they say I did it ages ago, but you just have to survive for a long time then ally Austria, Bohemia, and potentially Russia and let them do the dirty work while stacking the heck out of military ideas. I did it as Wallachia. The +shock to your generals combined with offensive means if you coordinate with allies well, you will hit haaaard. Moldavia I have no idea. I could rarely break free from Poland, and even if I did, taking the Wallachian provinces from the Ottomans was a massive pain the booty. At least with Wallachia you can expand into Hungary and the rest of the Balkans pretty easily once you punch through a few Hungarian provinces. | ||
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nothingmuch
448 Posts
On November 27 2017 20:09 Fildun wrote: Well, you have perfect information of everything concerning your nation, so in that sense it's pretty fair. Sure, but the distribution of power is extremely unfair. Which, one could argue, is in fact what makes the game so challenging/interesting while in other games "balance" is valued over everything else (and rightly so). | ||
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PoulsenB
Poland7712 Posts
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