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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
How the fuck is this supposed to work? | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On December 03 2017 18:08 Scip wrote: You can develop their provinces to get -5 to liberty desire for development. Could you use that to keep them loyal? actually didnt even know that was a thing lol, is it -5 per point or just in general? its stupid they get a huge bonus for "vassals power compared to overlord" with only 6 units vs 12, which is kinda dumb i think | ||
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nothingmuch
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On December 03 2017 13:41 arb wrote: So like no CB Byzantium is the start I think, but impossible to keep both Byz/Athens loyal since your force limit is shit, your leaders are shit. How the fuck is this supposed to work? Well, first of all it obviously depends on what nation you're doing the noCB start with- I've done it with France just the same as with Hre opms. Obviously those play out quite different. For loyalty it depends on what version of the game you're playing but if your allies are very strong (quite possible playing in central/western Europe) your vassals can be disloyal all they like. You'll use their coring range to take land for yourself and constantly gain power until they're too small and fall in line. They won't declare independence because they check the power of your alliances. The main point of the noCB Byz start is to gain access to a (new) area of expansion. As everyone knows, expanding in western Europe is always a tight rope walk with the AE and complete cancer in the HRE. With the noCb in one step you open up all kinds of "easy" follow ups: the balkans are easy pickings and give practically no AE (because orthodox). If Otto hasn't wiped them yet you can use Candar as a stepping stone into the Crimean area leading into all the horde lands or into Persia via Trebizond/Circassia and Crete gives you claims on the Mamluks. The only real power that could stand in the way of all this has just been crippled and you probably have a 15year truce. AE is no real issue either because the only big Orthodox nation (muskovy) is too far away to care and all the muslims in the area hate/fear the Ottos. edit: should probably add that i've done this a long time ago and with the recent changes to the region this might be (in part) outdated. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On December 03 2017 18:20 arb wrote: actually didnt even know that was a thing lol, is it -5 per point or just in general? its stupid they get a huge bonus for "vassals power compared to overlord" with only 6 units vs 12, which is kinda dumb i think Yea, it's -5 per point. Obviously they get a bit more liberty desire for having a high development, but as long as you can eventually outgrow them, it is a very viable way of keeping them happy. | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On December 03 2017 19:07 Scip wrote: Yea, it's -5 per point. Obviously they get a bit more liberty desire for having a high development, but as long as you can eventually outgrow them, it is a very viable way of keeping them happy. I didnt even know that was a thing, cause i could literally see no way of keeping both of them happy atleast until you can annex one or the other they are both rebellious 99% of the time ill give this a try next. Its surprising Poland is willing to join in a no CB war which lets me basically afk and them kill everything besides me moving to occupy the lands incase the Ottos join in so they cant get any warscore | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
On December 01 2017 20:45 WindWolf wrote: To be completely honest my most memorable games in HOI4 has been games where I've played with historical focuses off. So in the end, i want something between historical accuracy and "anything can happen". Yes, seeing history turn out differently is fun, but that should be believable. Alot of historic event were very lucky incidents and opportunities. It should be natural and interesting for the game to turn out different. But the nation power and characteristics should be historical at start. Top milotary nation should start as such, and it should take a mireacle or an interasting coincidence for them to crumble, creating a whole!new whole. I had games where france went down on the very first war with england. Rebelions and HRE steeping in, crippled France. Most of the game there was no Feance. But it was not because France was weak, They just had to fight the whole western world. Making things more believable than a Island nation just coming in and kicking their asses. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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nothingmuch
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Poland7710 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On December 06 2017 09:51 zulu_nation8 wrote: Yep, no-cb Tyrone -> kill England. Kill Eastern Europe, Sunni hordes and enough of QQ to be able to release all tags on the border. Add provinces to HRE, become England, add again, revoke, release all the Anatolian/horde tags with CCR. Feed everything to them and take only bordering provinces to get CB and what's needed for a land bridge to capital. Force capitals on France, Hungary, PLC, Denmark/Sweden, Castille/Aragon, Naples to add to HRE. Force capital on Ming (harder). Gonna go England -> Manchu -> Qing -> Japan -> Mughals. Everything is theoretically possible but requires a shitload of micro. apparently they made it so you dont have to be one of the 3 tribes to form manchu anymore, seems good | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4699 Posts
I am playing as Aragon and have PU with Castille. Now Castille is quite rebelious and it got itself Engalnd and Otto to support their independence. They have +370% from power to liberty desire so there is no option to lower it. Q1.Now what happens if i declare on Otto ? Castille will join me or Otto? Q2.Is there a timer on support indpendece? Or will they support it indefiently? I already eat north of Africa, started eating Mamluks, Syria, Anatolia. I am running out of good targets to attack (and keep Castille in war on mine side). Also i am low on manpower (and its around 1500). | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On December 11 2017 19:23 Silvanel wrote: I have a question or two. I am playing as Aragon and have PU with Castille. Now Castille is quite rebelious and it got itself Engalnd and Otto to support their independence. They have +370% from power to liberty desire so there is no option to lower it. Q1.Now what happens if i declare on Otto ? Castille will join me or Otto? Q2.Is there a timer on support indpendece? Or will they support it indefiently? I already eat north of Africa, started eating Mamluks, Syria, Anatolia. I am running out of good targets to attack (and keep Castille in war on mine side). Also i am low on manpower (and its around 1500). If ottomans are weak then you are probably gonna be fine, otherwise when aragon declares independence england and ottomans will join, your allies will join too since its a defensive war, basically your allies have to beat theres afaik you can beat ottomans and get them to stop supporting, do the same with england is the only way. ALSO my own question ![[image loading]](https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/869622942840882765/FC1643EA76F4A422EFBFBBA59C45A23B34743419/) is great khan still possible from here? blocked ottomans from persia(have them in a healthy alliance atm) and russia, is it possible to get this in 200 years considering the amount of provinces i need from ming? | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4699 Posts
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