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On November 26 2016 18:13 Silvanel wrote:I am so angry right now. Went for one faith as Spain (but also wanted to do other Spanish achievments). Everything was going smooth, untill i swear i just looked other way for like a few years (was fighting Mali, Pasai, Cuzco, Aztecs etc.) and Austria is loosing League war like -80% and fully occupied. Like wtf. Now i can't be the Emperor (since Protestants will win) This campaign is super weird in religious way - reformation fired up way before 1500 and religious war is also super early. Fuck! How can catolics be losing when i just converted Mecca to Catholicysm? I think i will abandon this run  I will just check if computer wont settle for peace of westphalia, but dont have much hopes.
ive had reformations start in 1480 and sometimes as late as 1550 almost 1600, depends a lot on what decisions the ai gets i think, and if the papal state actually takes the ones to stop reformation
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Yeah i know, i just had to went my anger and disappointment. I will finish colonial nation achievment and try something else i guess (unless i get lucky and computer decides to takes peace of westphalia).
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I think it's a mistake to leave the reformation to it's own devices. If you're trying for a Catholic One Faith you might want to try taking out the centers of reformation. Obviously the feasibility of this depends massively on where they spawn- I've seen everything from OPMs to Paris,Vienna,London. The easiest way to get rid of them is if they spawn in the capitol of a smaller nation (<100% warscore). Then you can just force religion which force converts the capitol and thus deletes the Center. Even if you can't take out all of them (protestant prague happens quite often and is a pain to get rid of) it slows down the spread of Protestantism/Reformed a lot and thus has a huge impact on religion/alliances in the the HRE/Leagues.
Going early exploration seems like a bad idea too. The free merchants from peru, cape and mexico can pay of big time, but you'd need to be able to divert the Indian trade towards one of your CoTs- unlikely if your units are tied up in the new world.
Personally I'd go admin/influence and open with the good old noCB Byzantium. Gets you multiple paths of expansion into different AE zones, secures massive trade and keeps your units close enough so you can mess with the HRE.
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Well i would go similiar Ideas but i am doing all Spain achievemnts and that includes colonial nations
so i went admin-->exploration. Anyway: Peace of Westhpalia it is and i am continuing my run (soon to be emperor).
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On November 26 2016 17:49 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2016 16:28 parkufarku wrote:Calling arb or some other eu4 expert - what should I do next? Here is my country: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/C2Ygqle.jpg) Update: Just beat Bohemia, gonna take a few more provinces from them. Having Poland as ally crushed this war without using much manpower. Choice #1 - Keep pursuing these small HRE provinces, finish off Bohemia, take East Frisia / Brunswick and the other small nations around me Choice #2 - Try to engage Denmark (who is currently exhausted from its war with Sweden), who has France as its ally. I can't do much against France, but I am able to call Austria + Poland (and its Lithuania) as allies in this war Choice #3 - Break off alliance with Poland, and try to gather allies to attack Poland (which will be hard) because Poland occupies 1 province that I need to form Prussia Burgundy keeps bothering me although it's too far away for me to start a war. It keeps allied with my targets around me and tries to interfere. Anyway, what's the best course of action to take right now? I can't attack Pomerania because it is allied to Austria and other big countries honestly you should ally poland from the start and control when they go to war not the other way around i always do declare war on teuts for neumark or whatever, you should get pomeranian succession mission, use other allies in this, take far right province vassal then take what you can from teuts next war if you can get elected emperor you can vassal feed and blob really hard tbh, dont swap religion or country till you get optimal size though usually vassalizing pomerania then either brunswick or anhalt is a good way to feed without having to core by yourself but you gotta be emperor to vassal feed or else they will accept unlawful territory and youll be super sad
the year is already 1500+ so I already converted my country to Protestant...I'm still in the HRE but I doubt I'll be emperor because of my religion. Teuts are already gobbled up by Poland. I was allied to Austria so it managed to let me gobble up small provinces without him demanding unlawful territory - I pretty took over all the surrounding small countries like Hansa, Magdeburg, Anhalt, Saxony, etc.
I'm considering expanding north toward Scandanavia at the moment - just worried about France as a potential enemy, who I do not want to fight.
Currently I think I'm a bit stronger than Denmark, maybe equal footing in size / power with Austria, but weaker than Poland. I took influence, adminstrative, and offensive idea
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Innovative is pretty much the worst admin group btw. You'd really want influence, religious or both very early on in the HRE. You pretty much always want one of Religious or Humanist as one of your first 2 admin idea groups.
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I meant influence, not innovative, sorry.
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On November 27 2016 07:48 Xafnia wrote:
Innovative is pretty much the worst admin group btw. You'd really want influence, religious or both very early on in the HRE. You pretty much always want one of Religious or Humanist as one of your first 2 admin idea groups.
Personally I think going admin ideas first is better and then you should pick one of those two as your next paper mana idea.I usually don't have big problems with unrest so humanist imo is a late game idea group and religious is highly dependent on what country you are
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![[image loading]](http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/96095287215414592/DDBA4D28CA0F0CB9DEC9338A799C8796C0EF9C51/)
been a while since i played Prussia, already have all the achievements mostly just doing it out of boredom + to test new govt. Magdeburg in the middle of my land is triggering but they're vassalized so no biggie, as is Trier so two more large chunks of land i can get realatively for free.
Managed to force vassal -> Annex saxony, killed most of bohemia when they converted so i got almost no AE then finally said fuck it and switched countries
![[image loading]](http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/96095287215771544/32BBDD30C9578B189FC5B34860C5966FC0B597A3/)
HUEHUEHUE
wasnt sure how it would work but i guess since I got the PU with Russia it treated Poland as attacking a member of the empire and Austria raped them
ggez
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Prussia best flag and colors of the game, hands down
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![[image loading]](http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/96095404288515673/5154EBF054FAF6C44922682ACC471D3E2181591B/)
bad screen but thats the last one i got, have since annexed all of scandinavia and hungary/poland since
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On November 26 2016 05:17 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2016 19:42 disformation wrote:
Cool. maybe I should try playing some hordes.
I usually dislike playing hordes. Not conquesting hard/fast enough so my horde unity is super low and then its rebels. rebels everywhere.
Only somewhat successful horde game was my Manchu -> Qing game.
edit: Oh wait. I can exchange Mil. Power for Horde unity now. That might make things more pleasant for me.
Currently playing Sweden trying to get Lion of the North and maybe going for Fanatic Collectivist, if I win the league war.
Time is kinda running out, so I need to declare soon. Will be a close one. I am hoping either the ottos or russia join protestant, that should give me the upper hand.
edit: Sweden game also still on 1.19 beta patch. Will update after that is done.
its a really difficult achievement if you think its gonna be close, Ottomans rarely join protestant anymore ive noticed, and you really need France/Castile(Spain) to be on your side to hope to beat Austria honestly
yep. -.-
Unfortunately Spain joined the emperor, so France was busy holding off Spain, I was busy beating Poland/Lithuania and Austria was free to wreck the rest.
Did start an Aragon game and got Consulate of the Sea after that. Might get Fanatic Collectivist that game.
Renaissance spawned in Milan, which borders my stuff in northern Italy.
Colonialism and Global trade both spawned in England. I own Cornwall, which means I can park all my troops there and I have a 100 Trust Scandinavia and France on my side, so I think that should be a fairly easy war.
Manufactories did spawn in Toledo, so I already have that one.
Only iffy one is Printing Press which spawned in Lyonnais. Which requires me to alliance break France. Should be able to beat France though as I won multiple wars against a huge Ottoman Empire (where PLC and me did all the work, while France was chilling in France).
So if I get a decent Enlightenment spawn I think I can get it. HRE got dismantled, so I might get it if it spawns there and not too far from Italy. Scandinavia would be a bad spawn I guess.
Also on a side note: Had some weird cases where the HRE was suddenly dismantled. Will post a screenshot later. Did anyone else notice that happen more frequently current version? Edit: will post a screenshot later.
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On November 28 2016 18:37 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2016 05:17 arb wrote:On November 25 2016 19:42 disformation wrote:
Cool. maybe I should try playing some hordes.
I usually dislike playing hordes. Not conquesting hard/fast enough so my horde unity is super low and then its rebels. rebels everywhere.
Only somewhat successful horde game was my Manchu -> Qing game.
edit: Oh wait. I can exchange Mil. Power for Horde unity now. That might make things more pleasant for me.
Currently playing Sweden trying to get Lion of the North and maybe going for Fanatic Collectivist, if I win the league war.
Time is kinda running out, so I need to declare soon. Will be a close one. I am hoping either the ottos or russia join protestant, that should give me the upper hand.
edit: Sweden game also still on 1.19 beta patch. Will update after that is done.
its a really difficult achievement if you think its gonna be close, Ottomans rarely join protestant anymore ive noticed, and you really need France/Castile(Spain) to be on your side to hope to beat Austria honestly yep. -.- Unfortunately Spain joined the emperor, so France was busy holding off Spain, I was busy beating Poland/Lithuania and Austria was free to wreck the rest. Did start an Aragon game and got Consulate of the Sea after that. Might get Fanatic Collectivist that game. Renaissance spawned in Milan, which borders my stuff in northern Italy. Colonialism and Global trade both spawned in England. I own Cornwall, which means I can park all my troops there and I have a 100 Trust Scandinavia and France on my side, so I think that should be a fairly easy war. Manufactories did spawn in Toledo, so I already have that one. Only iffy one is Printing Press which spawned in Lyonnais. Which requires me to alliance break France. Should be able to beat France though as I won multiple wars against a huge Ottoman Empire (where PLC and me did all the work, while France was chilling in France). So if I get a decent Enlightenment spawn I think I can get it. HRE got dismantled, so I might get it if it spawns there and not too far from Italy. Scandinavia would be a bad spawn I guess. Also on a side note: Had some weird cases where the HRE was suddenly dismantled. Will post a screenshot later. Did anyone else notice that happen more frequently current version? Edit: will post a screenshot later.
if theres no viable electors after the peace then it will dismantle automatically
will happen if austria is the only person left able to become emperor since you cant make yourself elector
if you have consulate of the sea you should be able to get mare nostrum easily too i think
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On November 28 2016 19:34 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2016 18:37 disformation wrote:On November 26 2016 05:17 arb wrote:On November 25 2016 19:42 disformation wrote:
Cool. maybe I should try playing some hordes.
I usually dislike playing hordes. Not conquesting hard/fast enough so my horde unity is super low and then its rebels. rebels everywhere.
Only somewhat successful horde game was my Manchu -> Qing game.
edit: Oh wait. I can exchange Mil. Power for Horde unity now. That might make things more pleasant for me.
Currently playing Sweden trying to get Lion of the North and maybe going for Fanatic Collectivist, if I win the league war.
Time is kinda running out, so I need to declare soon. Will be a close one. I am hoping either the ottos or russia join protestant, that should give me the upper hand.
edit: Sweden game also still on 1.19 beta patch. Will update after that is done.
its a really difficult achievement if you think its gonna be close, Ottomans rarely join protestant anymore ive noticed, and you really need France/Castile(Spain) to be on your side to hope to beat Austria honestly yep. -.- Unfortunately Spain joined the emperor, so France was busy holding off Spain, I was busy beating Poland/Lithuania and Austria was free to wreck the rest. Did start an Aragon game and got Consulate of the Sea after that. Might get Fanatic Collectivist that game. Renaissance spawned in Milan, which borders my stuff in northern Italy. Colonialism and Global trade both spawned in England. I own Cornwall, which means I can park all my troops there and I have a 100 Trust Scandinavia and France on my side, so I think that should be a fairly easy war. Manufactories did spawn in Toledo, so I already have that one. Only iffy one is Printing Press which spawned in Lyonnais. Which requires me to alliance break France. Should be able to beat France though as I won multiple wars against a huge Ottoman Empire (where PLC and me did all the work, while France was chilling in France). So if I get a decent Enlightenment spawn I think I can get it. HRE got dismantled, so I might get it if it spawns there and not too far from Italy. Scandinavia would be a bad spawn I guess. Also on a side note: Had some weird cases where the HRE was suddenly dismantled. Will post a screenshot later. Did anyone else notice that happen more frequently current version? Edit: will post a screenshot later. if theres no viable electors after the peace then it will dismantle automatically will happen if austria is the only person left able to become emperor since you cant make yourself elector if you have consulate of the sea you should be able to get mare nostrum easily too i think
Ah makes sense, now at least 1 of 2 cases of spontaneous HRE dismantlement make some sense. Will post a screen of the other.
Getting the provinces for Mare Nostrum itself should be fairly easy (though it also requires some provices of by best buddy PLC). Forming Rome might be a bit close though, since I have to conquer all of France and Anatolia for that. Is only like 1680 though. So doable I guess. Maybe I'll post some screens later.
Plan regardless:
1) Finish current war against ottos and get some more anatolian/balkan clay.
2) put my armies in cornwall. Take a lot of GB clay. Funnily the Institutions are in the same provinces I need to form Rome (London and Yorkshire).
3) Remember to build a bunch of Universities for Enlightenment.
4) I think I need more cannons if I really want to fight like France.
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
VaticanPrussia - discipline edition
5% Papal States Vatican library event
10% militarization from Prussian mnarchy
5% discipline Prussian ideas
5% econ+quality policy
10% quality ideas + offensive ideas
5% commandant
5% Hindu
145% consistent discipline (theoretical 160% with 10% advisor + 5% offensive/quality event)
VaticanPrussia - power edition
Swap Hindu for ShiaDotF -> 20% morale > Hindu. For an easier time, do reformed DotF > 15% morale. 'only 140%' consistent discipline though.
Revolutionary Republic + Girondists vs. Prussian Monarchy is classic 5% disc vs 10% morale argument.
Econ / Quality / Quantity / Offensive / Defensive / Innovative / Religious / ?
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Hindu Vactican Prussia sounds so wrong though..
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i think the humiliate rival thing for peace deals helps so fuckin much with aoe, guaranteed 10? i think prestige for every one you elminate, so those shitter one province countries are a source of like 35 prestige (3 rivals + war rep)
good shit
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I dont think i get what You are saying, But yes when You are small You can get funny things going. I remmber when i started East Frisia and humilted/showed strenght on my 1-2 province rivals.
Free monarch points and 100 power projection easy peasy.
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On December 05 2016 08:35 Silvanel wrote:
I dont think i get what You are saying, But yes when You are small You can get funny things going. I remmber when i started East Frisia and humilted/showed strenght on my 1-2 province rivals.
Free monarch points and 100 power projection easy peasy.
Now in a peace deal you can cause someone to remove a rival for 30% warscore, which gives 10 or 15 prestige( cant remember) so when a big country allies a bunch of little ones you can force remove all their rivals + war reps for like 35-50 prestige(cant remember if 10 or 15 obv) which lessons AE impact when you gnaw on the large country.
also helps if you keep rolling shitty heirs you want to disinherit too
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On November 27 2016 12:24 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2016 07:48 Xafnia wrote:
Innovative is pretty much the worst admin group btw. You'd really want influence, religious or both very early on in the HRE. You pretty much always want one of Religious or Humanist as one of your first 2 admin idea groups. Personally I think going admin ideas first is better and then you should pick one of those two as your next paper mana idea.I usually don't have big problems with unrest so humanist imo is a late game idea group and religious is highly dependent on what country you are
Honestly after trying out humanist more, I think it's crazy good and can't believe I took religious so often. Despite humanists nerf recently. Then again Religious was nerfed in a similar way.
Humanist allows to wage war without pause, if you get a bit lucky with your enemies and allies you can blob like crazy. Almost never having to let your troops suppress revolt risk is huge, that's easily 3 years on average after each war.
In hindsight I should have vassal fed more and could have likely blobbed some more, but my Brandenburg has more development than France by 1540 (630, France is having an average games so far with ~600) and can field close to 80k troops (15 from emperor). And I'm not even very good at the game.
Btw totally agreed that "Remove rival" atm is crazy good in conjunction with the disinherit heir option. Noble republic for everyone.
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