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On December 05 2016 13:05 Archeon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2016 12:24 Chocolate wrote:On November 27 2016 07:48 Xafnia wrote:
Innovative is pretty much the worst admin group btw. You'd really want influence, religious or both very early on in the HRE. You pretty much always want one of Religious or Humanist as one of your first 2 admin idea groups. Personally I think going admin ideas first is better and then you should pick one of those two as your next paper mana idea.I usually don't have big problems with unrest so humanist imo is a late game idea group and religious is highly dependent on what country you are Honestly after trying out humanist more, I think it's crazy good and can't believe I took religious so often. It allows you to wage war without pause, if you get emperor early on and get lucky with your neighbour nations (currently in a run where Poland didn't want to inherit Lithuania and Denmark didn't want to get a superpower as ally) you never have to move your armies to suppress rebellions. That's pretty huge.
religious + humanist is great, since converting everything + raise autonomy means youll never have rebels except in the most absurd cases (100 oe + bad events)
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Still rockin the 1.18 patch
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qeosgGM.jpg) I+VH Was going loanless again but didn't pay attention for 2 months and autotook one for a ducky, qq
Oh boy did it take many many attempts to get just to this point. And I am in such an unappreciable position still, what a brutal position Albania starts in.
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Which achievments do You guys recommend when it comes to build tall rather than wide? I recently did WC now doing One Faith. I have enough of crazy expanding for a while.
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
Austria actually flips friendly on VH that early?
Do you bait serbia into attacking you? standard solo bosnia + serbia opening probably doesn't work that well on VH.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On December 06 2016 01:29 419 wrote:
Austria actually flips friendly on VH that early?
Do you bait serbia into attacking you? standard solo bosnia + serbia opening probably doesn't work that well on VH.
I'll be honest, I did like 25 tries LOL
Here's my first 20 years or so guide for Albania
Necessary conditions for success:
Serbia not rival with Byzantium
Ottomans don't declare either of their first 2 wars on you
Two out of Hungary/Poland/Austria have Venice or Ottomans as rivals (This can happen later on, Hungary can rival either Wallachy or Serbia, but will soon eclipse both, so that's fine. Poland can eclipse Teutonic Order if they smash them well enough in the first war)
if any of those things happen, you gotta restart. Especially the early Otto war on you, can't defense.
Your options are very limited indeed. Ottomans warn you early, so that cuts out any funny shit. You have to wait for Ottomans to declare war on Byzantium, Serbia will join them. Once Serbian army is dead, you have exactly 3 options.
No-CB Byz, Conquest on Serbia or no-CB Byzantium. I admit, the only option I tried was no-CB Byz, but fighting against Bosnia seems completely unfeasable. They have 10k troops, your force limit is 7. They have something like 15k manpower and that province in top left of their territory is inaccessible, which means you have right about 0% chance of wiping their army. I think it might be accessible with Otto+Hungary+Wallachia access? Then you're hoping for a coinflip at best (enemy armies always retreat into inaccessible provs if they can, if all provs are accessible then it's a somewhat random). And then there's the thing where your force limit is 7, but they have forts that require 3 + 6 + 9 troops. Sounds way too painful.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that DoWing Serbia doesn't even get you that many more provinces, because Bosnia is landlocked, you can't core any of their stuff, so you have to get all their stuff in the main peace deal, so you end up with about 2 more provs than no-CBing Byz.
No-CB on Bosnia would allow you to take 3 provs from Serbia and all of Bosnia if you were to win the war, but on the other hand, do you really want to eat 20 base AE from no-CB, declaring it on a catholic nation and then taking 5 provs from them as well as 3 provs from Orthodox Serbia? Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
So, ruling those 2 options out, No-CB Byz it is. Take Kosovo, Serbia and one of the provs that connects them. Taking the one that borders Ottos will prevent Ottos from taking anything from Serbia, leaving more to you. On the other hand, if you let Ottos take it, you can export 2 or 3 huge rebel waves into the Green Beast of Anatolia. Your call.
You're up to 4 provinces, you can decrease autonomy in all of them, give one to Burgers, one to Clergy, get your ca-ching and monarch points, you know the drill. Up to 9k force limit, that's respectable enough to do things with.
From there, it's up to you. You border Hungary, so you can ally them (VH modifier goes away for neighboring countries). Keep your eye on Poland and especially Austria. You'll often be like 6 points away from allying Austria, hiring a diprep guy, sending them 100 gold and increasing your legitimacy by 10 for some mil points can be very well worth securing the alliance. Once you get Hungary+Austria on your side, Ottos are much less likely to DoW you (although if they do, you might still get fucking smashed, so rip if that happens). Allying Ragusa can well be worth it to get their help against Bosnia. Beware the Wallachian condottieri once you decide to go that route!
Just to illustrate the power of Ottomans, in the picture I posted, that'a about 5 years after a crusade. Ottomans rather ill-advisedly DoWed Genoa for some paltry islands, triggering the wrath of Venice and Austria. Crusade was called, most of Germany, Austria, France, the Trade league were all in. 160k troops of Europe vs 60k Ottos. Europe got fucking annihilated, lost like 300k troops in the war total. By the end of the war, Ottos still had comfortable 15ksome manpower left. The crusade started right as Ottos got mil tech 6 with that insane leader of theirs, while most of Europe had 5, so fair enough, but still.
Also, to actually answer your question, no, Austria never flips friendly. But you can often ally through Neutral, like I did.
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On December 06 2016 01:29 419 wrote:
Austria actually flips friendly on VH that early?
Do you bait serbia into attacking you? standard solo bosnia + serbia opening probably doesn't work that well on VH.
Pretty sure when they talk about "VH" they mean the difficulty of the achievement, not the game  .
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On December 06 2016 06:26 nothingmuch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 01:29 419 wrote:
Austria actually flips friendly on VH that early?
Do you bait serbia into attacking you? standard solo bosnia + serbia opening probably doesn't work that well on VH. Pretty sure when they talk about "VH" they mean the difficulty of the achievement, not the game .
I was talking about the difficulty of the game
the difficulty is set to Very Hard
pretty sure VH as an abbreviation always means difficulty of the game, no?
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I've only done normal Albania starts, most of them when it still started at war with the Ottomans, so I don't exactly know how it is on VH but I used to be able to declare on someone before Ottomans warned me. Other things I noticed are you not having Ragusa yet and you still having boats.
I'll try a VH Albania now, let's see how I do.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On December 06 2016 06:52 Fildun wrote:
I've only done normal Albania starts, most of them when it still started at war with the Ottomans, so I don't exactly know how it is on VH but I used to be able to declare on someone before Ottomans warned me. Other things I noticed are you not having Ragusa yet and you still having boats.
I'll try a VH Albania now, let's see how I do.
Boats are absolutely critical, I was able to get up to something like +4 for alliance modifier with Austria for my naval strength. Just park them in your only port at minimum maintenance and milk the sweet sweet diplo benefits.
Did you really start most games with an Ottoman war? Usually they go for Dulkadir or w/e the name is of the nation in northern Anatolia, and Byzantium second. They DoWed me in about 20% of the attempts I think. They do occasionally go for Byzantium first too if they pick the City of the World's Desire mission. Oh, right, old version. My comprehension level is pathetic.
Ottomans usually warn you before you can fabricate a claim on Serbia, and Serbia always (in my attempts) allies Bosnia before the first month is over, so really no point to doing any of that malarkey imo.
Also, LOL how am I supposed to get Ragusa
bitches start being guaranteed by Ottos and the turks aren't keen on breaking that anytime soon
Ragusa ain't even allied with anyone else.
They helped a ton during my fight with Bosnia, I think for a large portion of the game they might be more useful as an ally than a province
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Yeah, I just noticed Ragusa starts off guaranteed nowadays, that used to not be the case. The money is great though.
The one try where I noCBd Serbia day 1 and they didnt ally anybody was also the try where Skanderbeg died in the first fight, so that was kinda unlucky.
You're right about the boats, in this version the Poland and Austria alliances are harder so they're necessary.
Edit: And the second time I succesfully noCB serbia the ottos declare on me, rip.
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On December 06 2016 06:39 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 06:26 nothingmuch wrote:On December 06 2016 01:29 419 wrote:
Austria actually flips friendly on VH that early?
Do you bait serbia into attacking you? standard solo bosnia + serbia opening probably doesn't work that well on VH. Pretty sure when they talk about "VH" they mean the difficulty of the achievement, not the game . I was talking about the difficulty of the game the difficulty is set to Very Hard pretty sure VH as an abbreviation always means difficulty of the game, no?
Dunno, I vaguely recall someone using it a couple of pages earlier for the achievements (in the wiki their difficulty is also abbreviated with VH). I just glanced over your post and couldn't fathom Austria allying you on very hard.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On December 06 2016 09:29 nothingmuch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 06:39 Scip wrote:On December 06 2016 06:26 nothingmuch wrote:On December 06 2016 01:29 419 wrote:
Austria actually flips friendly on VH that early?
Do you bait serbia into attacking you? standard solo bosnia + serbia opening probably doesn't work that well on VH. Pretty sure when they talk about "VH" they mean the difficulty of the achievement, not the game . I was talking about the difficulty of the game the difficulty is set to Very Hard pretty sure VH as an abbreviation always means difficulty of the game, no? Dunno, I vaguely recall someone using it a couple of pages earlier for the achievements (in the wiki their difficulty is also abbreviated with VH). I just glanced over your post and couldn't fathom Austria allying you on very hard.
Gifts, diprep, keeping your navy alive, royal marriage (with a little bit of help you get +1 from consort ties, marry them first to increase the likelyhood of that) can get you through neutral attitude. I did have to pay about 125 gold for that relationship in the last playthrough, I wanted to wait for a bit to see if I could get it cheaper, but Ottos placed 75k troops on my borders and that really felt like a signal I should buy myself some powerful friends, fast.
The entire enterprise would be a lot easier if you could consistently get any of the +1 diprep missions, but I really have no idea how to affect the game to get those. Also, +1diprep from 50 Papal influence is extraordinarily strong.
The one good thing about gold mines. Inflation makes everything more expensive, except for buying friends.
Also, how can you no-CB serbia day1, you mean day 31? :p
One more thing, anyone has any idea about the tons-of-things happening on reloading bug (I'm assuming it's a bug)? Should I estabilish a policy of reloading once every few years?
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
On December 06 2016 05:07 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 01:29 419 wrote:
Austria actually flips friendly on VH that early?
Do you bait serbia into attacking you? standard solo bosnia + serbia opening probably doesn't work that well on VH. I'll be honest, I did like 25 tries LOL Here's my first 20 years or so guide for Albania Necessary conditions for success: Serbia not rival with Byzantium Ottomans don't declare either of their first 2 wars on you Two out of Hungary/Poland/Austria have Venice or Ottomans as rivals (This can happen later on, Hungary can rival either Wallachy or Serbia, but will soon eclipse both, so that's fine. Poland can eclipse Teutonic Order if they smash them well enough in the first war) if any of those things happen, you gotta restart. Especially the early Otto war on you, can't defense. Your options are very limited indeed. Ottomans warn you early, so that cuts out any funny shit. You have to wait for Ottomans to declare war on Byzantium, Serbia will join them. Once Serbian army is dead, you have exactly 3 options. No-CB Byz, Conquest on Serbia or no-CB Byzantium. I admit, the only option I tried was no-CB Byz, but fighting against Bosnia seems completely unfeasable. They have 10k troops, your force limit is 7. They have something like 15k manpower and that province in top left of their territory is inaccessible, which means you have right about 0% chance of wiping their army. I think it might be accessible with Otto+Hungary+Wallachia access? Then you're hoping for a coinflip at best (enemy armies always retreat into inaccessible provs if they can, if all provs are accessible then it's a somewhat random). And then there's the thing where your force limit is 7, but they have forts that require 3 + 6 + 9 troops. Sounds way too painful. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that DoWing Serbia doesn't even get you that many more provinces, because Bosnia is landlocked, you can't core any of their stuff, so you have to get all their stuff in the main peace deal, so you end up with about 2 more provs than no-CBing Byz. No-CB on Bosnia would allow you to take 3 provs from Serbia and all of Bosnia if you were to win the war, but on the other hand, do you really want to eat 20 base AE from no-CB, declaring it on a catholic nation and then taking 5 provs from them as well as 3 provs from Orthodox Serbia? Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me, but I'd love to be proven wrong. So, ruling those 2 options out, No-CB Byz it is. Take Kosovo, Serbia and one of the provs that connects them. Taking the one that borders Ottos will prevent Ottos from taking anything from Serbia, leaving more to you. On the other hand, if you let Ottos take it, you can export 2 or 3 huge rebel waves into the Green Beast of Anatolia. Your call. You're up to 4 provinces, you can decrease autonomy in all of them, give one to Burgers, one to Clergy, get your ca-ching and monarch points, you know the drill. Up to 9k force limit, that's respectable enough to do things with. From there, it's up to you. You border Hungary, so you can ally them (VH modifier goes away for neighboring countries). Keep your eye on Poland and especially Austria. You'll often be like 6 points away from allying Austria, hiring a diprep guy, sending them 100 gold and increasing your legitimacy by 10 for some mil points can be very well worth securing the alliance. Once you get Hungary+Austria on your side, Ottos are much less likely to DoW you (although if they do, you might still get fucking smashed, so rip if that happens). Allying Ragusa can well be worth it to get their help against Bosnia. Beware the Wallachian condottieri once you decide to go that route! Just to illustrate the power of Ottomans, in the picture I posted, that'a about 5 years after a crusade. Ottomans rather ill-advisedly DoWed Genoa for some paltry islands, triggering the wrath of Venice and Austria. Crusade was called, most of Germany, Austria, France, the Trade league were all in. 160k troops of Europe vs 60k Ottos. Europe got fucking annihilated, lost like 300k troops in the war total. By the end of the war, Ottos still had comfortable 15ksome manpower left. The crusade started right as Ottos got mil tech 6 with that insane leader of theirs, while most of Europe had 5, so fair enough, but still. Also, to actually answer your question, no, Austria never flips friendly. But you can often ally through Neutral, like I did.
Regarding Bosnia: you can vassalize them, march them for the extra 2 FL - but on VH it doesn't look feasible to solo both of them. That is what I did for a no-allies Albania on normal (still got deported to Iberia and had to release my march because I made a critical mistake not selling Ottomans Albania, so they DOW'd me and took kosovo as well), but I think VH is harder than no-allies for this start especially if you're going to stay in the Ottoman neighborhood.
this was my no allies run: eventually trapped 90k aragonese troops in morocco and that was that :>
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FDnczX5.png)
I guess I shouldn't be that surprised that you can ally austria even as orthodox since its not that far from alliance as orthodox knights on VH (which can't RM). and knights has distance issues.
And yeah, Ottomans on VH are pretty insane - I did a standard vassal-Byz cheese opening as Papal States, called Venice, Austria, France, and Milan, called a crusade, and only barely won (things like barely winning in a 40k vs 15k battle after ottomans hit tech 4 before everyone else in europe)
Admittedly a large part of that is because the AI does some wonky things nowadays to avoid fighting superior forces, but that's to be expected to a degree
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
I'm pretty sure you can never ally Austrians through Orthodoxy. Just stay Catholic and convert your provs, Catholicism is absurdly powerful with the +1 diprep thing for 50 Papal Influence early on in the game.
You want a fight Ottomans?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pKIVxgo.jpg)
I WILL GIVE YOU A FIGHT
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uUCXmFM.jpg)
GET THE HELL OUT OF MY LANDS
Who dares me to take Constantinople and Edirne, keep the forts and release Byzantium
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Ok, I think I just got a great start, but it might still all go wrong (I'm in 1458)
Venice declared on me within a year, however they had no allies so with the help of Lord Skanderbeg I managed to beat them, get Dalmatia + war reps + money, which made me able to afford an advisor.
Then somehow Hungary flipped to friendly and I managed to ally them, after which I vassalized Bosnia.
If the Ottomans declare on me right now I'll probably still die a horrible death, but there are definitely some possibilities here.
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On December 06 2016 18:50 Scip wrote:I'm pretty sure you can never ally Austrians through Orthodoxy. Just stay Catholic and convert your provs, Catholicism is absurdly powerful with the +1 diprep thing for 50 Papal Influence early on in the game. You want a fight Ottomans? I WILL GIVE YOU A FIGHT GET THE HELL OUT OF MY LANDS Who dares me to take Constantinople and Edirne, keep the forts and release Byzantium
sick bro...huge props
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/s9Hrqgq.png)
28 years to finish reforms.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7TdNUAF.png)
hey itza, what's this feudalism crap?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RSNihqk.png)
europeans? who needs em?
new world is fun and interactive again with this trick. No more getting held hostage by euro arrival times.
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When You develop province which lack several institutions - do You gain progress in all institutions You lack or only the oldest one?
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How did you get that many monarch points in 6 years? (second pic) Are there a bunch of new world events that give them?
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
On December 18 2016 18:19 Fildun wrote:
How did you get that many monarch points in 6 years? (second pic) Are there a bunch of new world events that give them?
used the wrong picture (the other one was console testing)
On December 18 2016 18:17 Silvanel wrote:
When You develop province which lack several institutions - do You gain progress in all institutions You lack or only the oldest one?
oldest only. But you only need one to lose primitive status which is the key.
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