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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6204 Posts
On February 23 2017 06:19 Silvanel wrote: Actually You can easily lose three first wars against Ottomans if You are not carefull. Its a myth its easy after first war, You need to play slow if You want to have 100% survival rate. Dont know whats Your goal but unless You are aiming at WC or something similiar You dont need to be rushing things. You can still lose when you're bigger than they are. Ottomans are pretty OP in the first part of the game. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4122 Posts
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
I think because Muscovy's warning on you, you need to no-CB Theodoro and fight Crimea that way since they will never join against GH for the duration of the warning, but if you are still doing no loans its not easy to do that war. If you don't have a quick kill on PLC or Muscovy you should go Sunni (imo), otherwise the hordelands become way too much a money sink. This is why I don't like starts in that area, there's just way too much incentive to go Sunni, everything else is very unviable in comparison unless you get lucky. Been doing casual African Power on VH. Only have France-owned Arguin left but its gotten to the point where I could WC from this position so I'll call it effectively done. With tribal despotism + coptic we have reduced coring cost equivalent to Sunni mughals, so that's nice. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jsd32wS.png) Thinking no-allies VH Ceylon next. | ||
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pfff
Belgium1352 Posts
![[image loading]](https://s13.postimg.org/rubhf6g9f/Austria1.png) ![[image loading]](https://postimg.org/image/69u10k767/) ![[image loading]](https://s8.postimg.org/pgp1lrgx1/Austria3.png) gif hostingCan one of the very strong players on here please confirm that this is a 100% certain WC? Just to give me some peace of mind :-) This is normal ironman, not VH. Austria is the only major nation I really like to play because in between all the PUs/Burgundy/shadow empire/reformation it offers a few very cool challenges up until 1580 or so, but I really cannot be bothered to finish this game before the patch hits hehe. WC is simply not something for me, it becomes so boring so quickly. Going to do a Lubeck run now --> break the sound toll quickly + conquer iceland by being opportunistic --> do super early colonization and get every 10 size colonial nation --> get huge trade income + fall into monarcy --> win HRE as protestant using 100% disciple mass mercenaries --> maybe complete the trade chain from SEA to the Lubeck node as well (via Ivory Coast) if I'm not bored yet | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4725 Posts
I am super angry. I am doing "One Faith" as France. It's November 1811 and i have only few provinces remaning to convert. And shit happens. One of provinces i am colonizing gets event "religious minorities". It is now Reformed (i am Catholic) with a modifer -25% to misionary strenght lasting untill 1833. Putting me at -3,6% missionary strneght (i can still hire inquistor another +2% which would put me still at -1,6%). Options? I am thinking about moving my capital to Asia, releasing this province as One Province Client State (which hopefully will be reformed - but i doubt that) and then breaking ties (can You break ties with Client State?) and then invading it and force converting. This is a new colony in Asia so i cant release it as any other country. Cant also spawn any rebels other than particularists i think. Other options? I can somehow count on my ruler getting +1% modifer and getting event which gives +1% (catholic) which would still not be enough and only +0,4%. There is also event i think which changes religion of province to mine (but i dont recall its name or what triggers it) - does anyone know? Help! I need ideas. | ||
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LetaBot
Netherlands557 Posts
On March 15 2017 03:58 Silvanel wrote: Hey guys i need help! I am super angry. I am doing "One Faith" as France. It's November 1811 and i have only few provinces remaning to convert. And shit happens. One of provinces i am colonizing gets event "religious minorities". It is now Reformed (i am Catholic) with a modifer -25% to misionary strenght lasting untill 1833. Putting me at -3,6% missionary strneght (i can still hire inquistor another +2% which would put me still at -1,6%). Options? I am thinking about moving my capital to Asia, releasing this province as One Province Client State (which hopefully will be reformed - but i doubt that) and then breaking ties (can You break ties with Client State?) and then invading it and force converting. This is a new colony in Asia so i cant release it as any other country. Cant also spawn any rebels other than particularists i think. Other options? I can somehow count on my ruler getting +1% modifer and getting event which gives +1% (catholic) which would still not be enough and only +0,4%. There is also event i think which changes religion of province to mine (but i dont recall its name or what triggers it) - does anyone know? Help! I need ideas. Perhaps you can make a vassal which isn't catholic (initially giving it only that one province should do it), then give it several catholic provinces with a lot of unrest and get catholic rebels to spawn. Those can then force convert the non-Catholic province when they siege the province down. Also, force converting through warfare only changes the state religion, not the religion of each province of the country. edit: you could also build a church once the colony is finished. That gives +3% Maybe this page could help: http://www.eu4wiki.com/Religion#Missionary_strength | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4725 Posts
Also: I thought that when You force convert OPM it would change also province religion, but it isnt working always. There is some additional requirement for this i think (or was it changed in some patch)? Anyway client state with reduced autonomy and catholic rebels sounds nice. Will think about it. Also the link actualy helped, i was sure CLergy Estate in some cases gave +2% missionary strength but wasn't sure when (it isnt written in tool tip). I can now get to +0,4% without events or counting on rulers trait (if get Clergy loyalty to 60%+). Still not enough but i am getting closer. Is there some bonus to missionary strength from capital province? Edit: Thats what wiki says: """ A nation can force a heretic (but not a heathen) country to change their state religion as part of a peace deal. Without an appropriate casus belli such as "Cleansing of Heresy" or "Religious Conformance" (unique to the Holy Roman Emperor against HRE members), this will have the same war score cost as annexing the nation. When a country is converted this way, only the state religion and the capital province's religion change. """ So the question is now can i break control over client state? And if Client State will be of different religion? | ||
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LetaBot
Netherlands557 Posts
On March 15 2017 06:40 Silvanel wrote: I cant assign it to Vassal since the only core that is there is mine (i can create Client State i think if i move my capital to Asia). I already built a cathedral. Also: I thought that when You force convert OPM it would change also province religion, but it isnt working always. There is some additional requirement for this i think (or was it changed in some patch)? Anyway client state with reduced autonomy and catholic rebels sounds nice. Will think about it. Also the link actualy helped, i was sure in some cases gave +2% missionary strenght but wasn't sure when (it isnt written in tool tip). I can now get to +0,4% without events or counting on rulers trait (if get Clergy loyalty to 60%+). Still not enough but i am getting closer. Is there some bonus to missionary strenght from capital province? Edit: Thats what wiki says: """ A nation can force a heretic (but not a heathen) country to change their state religion as part of a peace deal. Without an appropriate casus belli such as "Cleansing of Heresy" or "Religious Conformance" (unique to the Holy Roman Emperor against HRE members), this will have the same war score cost as annexing the nation. When a country is converted this way, only the state religion and the capital province's religion change. """ So the question is now can i break control over client state? And if Client State will be of different religion? You can break vassalage if you don't have a truce with your vassal. Or you can release your vassal as part of an "offer tribute". If you win a war for 100%, a country will accept any "offer tribute", so just attack an OPM to break vassalage asap. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1900 Posts
They way i understand the system, the downstream nodes are automatically pulling my hard earned money away, if i conquered all 3 completely, i could take 100% out of Indus as the nodes even more downstream would only leech from them and not Indian trade. But that is so illogical as i would basically throw away the trade income of those provinces with it. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4725 Posts
Also unless You are doing some specific goal there is no point in expanding only one way. Expand in all directions! Earth is Yours to take. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1900 Posts
 And stabbing through indonesia and south east asia as quickly as possible to avoid coalitions from the massive AE gain forces me to focus on it because fighting even weak coalitions is stupid. My goal is to drink all the asian trade in India and if then i have to give a third of it away, it's stupid. It's more of a rant i guess, having around 2000 Tradepower in my Indian nodes and then giving a third of my trade value away to 120 downstream tradepower feels wrong. | ||
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Archeon
3253 Posts
Btw expanding into different directions massively reduces AE. | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
How does it compare to this game? | ||
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Sermokala
United States13862 Posts
On April 05 2017 22:14 TMG26 wrote: Since there is no thread for it, did anyone here tried out HoI4? How does it compare to this game? I'd wait for it to go on sale personaly. It's good but it's got a lot of early paradox game problems and they spent their first expansion on a largely secondary feature without really doing anything good in the process. Stelarius has a bit more hope with me and the next expansion looks pretty good. | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
Sorry I know pretty much nothing about the HoI game mechanics. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11463 Posts
On April 05 2017 23:37 TMG26 wrote: Is the game still fun for countries that did not historically joined the war? Could a Portugal run be interesting? Sorry I know pretty much nothing about the HoI game mechanics. I'd suggest watching a letsplay on youtube if you are on the fence about it. Afaik you can play pretty ahistorical in HoI 4, so you could easily be portugese, become communist, and fight fascist spain. Or something along those lines. HoI has a focus that lies much more on actual war strategy and even tactics rather than big picture alliance and economics dealings like EU4. Of course you still mostly deal with big picture stuff, but very focused on the war. You decide how your troops should look like, what type of gear they get, if you want to build and/or research more tanks, more planes, more guns, or whatever else. Then you decide where to deploy them, and you can do some nifty micro if you want to, otherwise you can let the AI handle that stuff. While in EU 4, you decide questions like "Who should i ally with? Which minor has not protection and can be crushed? Is it worth making people around me angry to do that? How can i grab as much stuff as possible in an inconspicuous way? Should i try to turn all of europe reformed? How do i deal with all of these muslims in the countries i have conquered?" In HoI 4 you deal with questions like "Do i need these new troops in africa or in france? Do i rather build a bunch of infantry guns and build new infantry troops, or a few tanks and one smaller tank army, which doesn't need as many people to handle it? Should i research fast light tanks or strong big slow tanks? How do i get the supplies i need to britain when everything is full of german submarines? Can russia defend against the germans on its own, or does it need help? Do i need more fighters or more close air supports? Or even more strategic bombers? Can i afford not building guns to build those, or will my troops run out?" | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4725 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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