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Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1963 Posts
October 17 2016 12:56 GMT
#3601
Has anyone achieved world conquest with the newest patches? My own meager attempts at it seemed doomed from the start, i usually give up in the 16th or 17th century when i am not fast enough. I tried it with Castille this weekend and in more then 100 years i only managed to eat Portugal, get the Iberian Wedding and the Burgundian Succession in my favor, nibbling some provinces off England and crippling France. However, just trying to get the Timbuktu region costs so many Administrative points that i can't just freely eat away at it. Granted i went Exploration + Humanism instead of Administrative and probably Influence ideas, i don't see how i can even remotely come close to core the world. I am up to date in Admin and military and two behind in diplo.

I guess Ottomans are still the easiest to do it with but i feel dirty even playing Castille.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12118 Posts
October 17 2016 13:47 GMT
#3602
On October 17 2016 21:56 Broetchenholer wrote:
Has anyone achieved world conquest with the newest patches? My own meager attempts at it seemed doomed from the start, i usually give up in the 16th or 17th century when i am not fast enough. I tried it with Castille this weekend and in more then 100 years i only managed to eat Portugal, get the Iberian Wedding and the Burgundian Succession in my favor, nibbling some provinces off England and crippling France. However, just trying to get the Timbuktu region costs so many Administrative points that i can't just freely eat away at it. Granted i went Exploration + Humanism instead of Administrative and probably Influence ideas, i don't see how i can even remotely come close to core the world. I am up to date in Admin and military and two behind in diplo.

I guess Ottomans are still the easiest to do it with but i feel dirty even playing Castille.


I havn't even played the new patch but have you tried using vassals for coring? Seemed to be the way even before this.
nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany985 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-17 14:25:28
October 17 2016 14:22 GMT
#3603
Indeed, as much vassal feeding as possible to balance the mana cost of expanding. Also, if you go without admin ideas, you spend 50% more admin on every core, so naturally you can't blob super hard like that.
Furthermore, avoid getting full cores as much as possible. Full cores should only ensure your income/manpower is stable enough to keep conquering, every extra full state is just wasted admin.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1963 Posts
October 17 2016 15:24 GMT
#3604
Well, yeah, a balance of vassal feeding and direct coring is of course optimal, however, i never had the diplo for that as well The main killing spree probaby starts once the bonuses to coring start with admin tech X, but still, it seems even slower then before.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4768 Posts
October 17 2016 15:45 GMT
#3605
I am doing WC as Otto right now it seems ok (1587 and i am already quite far). I am attempting one tag though so i can still fail.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1963 Posts
October 17 2016 23:58 GMT
#3606
On another note, what is wrong with the Austrian hungarian union? In several cases now, Ladislaus Postumus came off age with a heir already alive, thus blocking the event that gives Austria a union cb or the direct union. It pisses me off, every game something else randomly goes wrong. All i want really is the union over bohemia, hungary and the inheritence of Burgundy in just one game without hiccups...is that really so much to ask for. fffffffffff
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
October 18 2016 04:15 GMT
#3607
any news of EU 5?
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
October 18 2016 04:23 GMT
#3608
On October 18 2016 13:15 parkufarku wrote:
any news of EU 5?

I think we are quite a bit away from EU5. Johan has already started teasing things coming in the next big patch for EU4.
EZ4ENCE
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
October 18 2016 04:37 GMT
#3609
On October 18 2016 08:58 Broetchenholer wrote:
On another note, what is wrong with the Austrian hungarian union? In several cases now, Ladislaus Postumus came off age with a heir already alive, thus blocking the event that gives Austria a union cb or the direct union. It pisses me off, every game something else randomly goes wrong. All i want really is the union over bohemia, hungary and the inheritence of Burgundy in just one game without hiccups...is that really so much to ask for. fffffffffff

i think the ai has to take the "a german king is best" decision which is weighted low or something.

if nothing else marry as soon as they come to age and claim throne. if they take the event to kill ladisalus you get the union cb regardless
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6292 Posts
October 18 2016 07:14 GMT
#3610
On October 18 2016 13:15 parkufarku wrote:
any news of EU 5?

CK2 has 12 expansions and a couple more coming up before the development for that game ends. EU4 has 9 expansions now so don't expect EU5 any time soon.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4768 Posts
October 18 2016 07:43 GMT
#3611
On October 18 2016 08:58 Broetchenholer wrote:
On another note, what is wrong with the Austrian hungarian union? In several cases now, Ladislaus Postumus came off age with a heir already alive, thus blocking the event that gives Austria a union cb or the direct union. It pisses me off, every game something else randomly goes wrong. All i want really is the union over bohemia, hungary and the inheritence of Burgundy in just one game without hiccups...is that really so much to ask for. fffffffffff


Well yes? I never had those three happen to me in same game. You need to be lucky and thats not always the case.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1963 Posts
October 18 2016 09:24 GMT
#3612
Of course, i was just being annoyed. The thing is, the hungarian event is the one that happens the most regularly. I know that the direkt PU when Ladislaus dies is weighed at 25%, i wouldn't mind declaring PU war on hungary. The poiunt is, now the Matthias Corvinus event doesn't even happen anymore. That is not bad luck, that is a bug. The event happens in one month, that means in Paradox-logic that it is not random. Hungary is scripted to get ladislaus von habsburg as a childking that is murdered on coronation. And that does not happen anymore because the event only fires if there is no heir.
Getting the Burgundian Inheritance or a von Habsburg on the castillian throne aswell is pure luck, the union with hungary is not.
Meborg
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands50 Posts
October 18 2016 10:13 GMT
#3613
On October 17 2016 21:56 Broetchenholer wrote:
Has anyone achieved world conquest with the newest patches? My own meager attempts at it seemed doomed from the start, i usually give up in the 16th or 17th century when i am not fast enough. I tried it with Castille this weekend and in more then 100 years i only managed to eat Portugal, get the Iberian Wedding and the Burgundian Succession in my favor, nibbling some provinces off England and crippling France. However, just trying to get the Timbuktu region costs so many Administrative points that i can't just freely eat away at it. Granted i went Exploration + Humanism instead of Administrative and probably Influence ideas, i don't see how i can even remotely come close to core the world. I am up to date in Admin and military and two behind in diplo.

I guess Ottomans are still the easiest to do it with but i feel dirty even playing Castille.


I did a one tag with Castille in 1.17, doing dirty Coptomans one tag atm in 1.18, royal marriage and alliances with France, Castille and Muscovy so the Sunni mega coalition does not dare to declare on me. Alternating truces between Persia, Delhi and Nogai atm, the rest of the Sunni's (all the way up to Brunei) coalition me, but I'm soon going to touch the Hindu's so as long as I keep my current alliances, no coalition dares to declare. Inching through Hungary preventing a European coalition. Waiting for religious war to fire, going to make sure it becomes a stalemate, and then try to become the holy roman emperor.

Coptomans does feel rather filthy as I'm paying 1 admin per development atm. Had so many admin points early on that I just decided to force through berbers instead of feeding a vassal there.

Anyway general advise for world conquest as Castille: Take influence first, feed expensive stuff to Aragon. Always try to become papal controller, and excommunicate hard. Feed vassals early on, and core in the Timbuktu region to spend excess admin points. Don't rush early on. Try to get Portugal as a Vassal, feed them Berber, and get a vassal in Ireland asap (for feeding England into). Generally you also get a union on Naples, feed Naples the Balkans. When you face Ottomans (earlier the better), make them release Byzantium and vassal them. Feed cores back to Byz for cheap. Do not integrate Aragon through decision before they have 31 provinces (Preferably including Paris and other extremely expensive stuff).

Might be that it's harder now, as the AE seems to have changed. In my Coptoman campaign every Sunni in the world (from Morocco to Brunei) wants to coalition against me for taking most of the Saudi Arabian area, Mamluks and half of Persia. Previously it would not be this bad. In Europe no-one gives a fly though.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1963 Posts
October 18 2016 10:53 GMT
#3614
Alright, sounds like it's doable. I'll try harder then, thanks
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4768 Posts
October 18 2016 22:31 GMT
#3615
How does discovery spread works now? Its 1642 and i cant even see Cape of good Hope as Ottomans. Do i need to steal maps to see the New World?
Pathetic Greta hater.
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
October 19 2016 00:32 GMT
#3616
I remember I dropped this because of how ridiculous rebels were - how strong their armies were and how often they popped up. Are they still a problem w the recent patches?
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14155 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-19 02:01:30
October 19 2016 01:59 GMT
#3617
On October 19 2016 09:32 parkufarku wrote:
I remember I dropped this because of how ridiculous rebels were - how strong their armies were and how often they popped up. Are they still a problem w the recent patches?

I can confidently say that they fixed rebels and made it make a lot more sense and added a lot of mechanics to tie it in with the rest of the game more.

is the version you're talking about the autonomy and month 10% percentage chance adding version of rebels?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3271 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-19 04:34:21
October 19 2016 04:19 GMT
#3618
On October 19 2016 09:32 parkufarku wrote:
I remember I dropped this because of how ridiculous rebels were - how strong their armies were and how often they popped up. Are they still a problem w the recent patches?

Honestly they are too weak right now. Don't think I had a single rebellion that I had large difficulties with in the last 100 hours of play, most don't even manage to conquer a single province.
Most in fact never spawn. And even the few that make it spawn under an army that's 1.5x as big.

Maybe I just got better or more patient, but still... real France and England both fell to rebellions when both were really strong. I just can't see that happening in EU right now.
low gravity, yes-yes!
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-19 05:48:04
October 19 2016 05:47 GMT
#3619
how are you supposed to play as golden horde
holy shit

On October 19 2016 13:19 Archeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2016 09:32 parkufarku wrote:
I remember I dropped this because of how ridiculous rebels were - how strong their armies were and how often they popped up. Are they still a problem w the recent patches?

Honestly they are too weak right now. Don't think I had a single rebellion that I had large difficulties with in the last 100 hours of play, most don't even manage to conquer a single province.
Most in fact never spawn. And even the few that make it spawn under an army that's 1.5x as big.

Maybe I just got better or more patient, but still... real France and England both fell to rebellions when both were really strong. I just can't see that happening in EU right now.



honestly you can just take humanist + raise autonomy and with the right religion never have rebels at all.

lategame ive seen some 90-100k stacks from france and shit though.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1963 Posts
October 19 2016 10:33 GMT
#3620
It still depends on you playstyle. Played as Ayutthaya for a few hours, wanted to see how fast i could conquer all of south east asia. Getting 28k nationalist rebels when your manpower is at zero, your forcelimit is at 25 and you have no money to merc is not that easy. Playing as an European major is of course different, because you can't take those big bites anyway and if you do, you are already much stronger to begin with. But over all i agree, you have to calculate them into your plans and they are manageable.
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