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MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 02:50:26
July 10 2012 02:39 GMT
#561
NY State of Mind right there love it...Couldn't believe it when I read that Jason Kidd got drafted the same year Illmatic came out! So crazy to think about!!! (sounds random I know...but "NY State of Mind" and my username both came from that album lol -1994 btw-)
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 02:55:25
July 10 2012 02:54 GMT
#562
the knicks are not ganna go anywhere in the playoffs with plays like this


and this



it's not fucking happening man.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13406 Posts
July 10 2012 03:00 GMT
#563
Kobe isn't inefficient though. I know he gets a lot of crap for shooting too much, but he's still an efficient scorer.

Even last year--his worst season efficiency wise (depending on the metric you use--I go with TS%)--he was still just 0.1% below league average. For a guy of his stature you'd like him to be above average though so you could make an argument there. But in the years he won chips, he was a pretty efficient scorer. Not LBJ amazing, but pretty good for a guy who gets the defensive attention Kobe does.

Based on last year, Melo (and Kobe!) need to really up their shot selection. Both teams have made moves that can hopefully facilitate this, but I'd back Kobe and the Lakers to be far more effective next year than the Knicks. The Knicks will improve purely on their depth alone but I'm as yet convinced the Melo/Amare combo will start miraculously working. At his age, Kidd just isn't that good
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13406 Posts
July 10 2012 03:05 GMT
#564
As I said, the Knicks' D is underrated. People would be surprised they were ranked 5th in defensive efficiency last season (only Chicago, Philly, Boston and Miami were ahead of them). Adding a really good interior defender at the 5 does wonders for a team's D.

It's the same reason you'll see a marked improvement in the Warriors' D next year with the addition of Bogut. If you can have just one really good wing defender and a really good defender at the 5 it makes a huge difference to your D. That or you can go the Miami route and just stack your perimeter with 3/4 really good wing defenders. I think it's easier just to get a good 5 though.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 10 2012 03:09 GMT
#565
On July 10 2012 12:05 RowdierBob wrote:
As I said, the Knicks' D is underrated. People would be surprised they were ranked 5th in defensive efficiency last season (only Chicago, Philly, Boston and Miami were ahead of them). Adding a really good interior defender at the 5 does wonders for a team's D.

It's the same reason you'll see a marked improvement in the Warriors' D next year with the addition of Bogut. If you can have just one really good wing defender and a really good defender at the 5 it makes a huge difference to your D. That or you can go the Miami route and just stack your perimeter with 3/4 really good wing defenders. I think it's easier just to get a good 5 though.


100% agreed. Especially if that big man can even do a half decent job of defending Pick N Rolls to the rim when he is switched on to the ball handler. All those top defensive teams have some combination of loaded wing defenders and pick n roll killers that just grind offenses to a pulp.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
July 10 2012 03:18 GMT
#566
Kyrie Irving Kyrie Irving, USA Championship.

slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
July 10 2012 04:38 GMT
#567
Yeah...Kyrie. I had no idea his handle was like that. It's not like nasty, it's like how can both your hands be so nasty? He's a total total baller. GOD WRY?!
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13406 Posts
July 10 2012 05:17 GMT
#568
Ha, could you imagine how hard he's get smacked in a real game for that? I imagine some hard fouls or screens would be coming his way if clowned guys like that in-game.

Still, Kyrie is awesome--def one of my fave players.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 10 2012 05:25 GMT
#569
He's going to be a stud.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
July 10 2012 06:07 GMT
#570
It's downright criminal that Neil Olshey is considered some sort of GM allstar after giving away the draft rights to Irving just to trade Baron for MoWill. How do you not lottery protect that pick?? The move he gets the most acclaim for, i.e. getting CP3, is tarnished by him getting browbeat into including EJ in the trade.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 10 2012 06:13 GMT
#571
jr smith signed for 2 year/2 million wtf??
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
July 10 2012 06:16 GMT
#572
Yeah, that seems pretty cheap considering the other contracts being handed out these days. JR has his issues, but 2 yr/$2M seems extremely inexpensive for a player with his talent.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13406 Posts
July 10 2012 06:25 GMT
#573
On July 10 2012 15:07 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
It's downright criminal that Neil Olshey is considered some sort of GM allstar after giving away the draft rights to Irving just to trade Baron for MoWill. How do you not lottery protect that pick?? The move he gets the most acclaim for, i.e. getting CP3, is tarnished by him getting browbeat into including EJ in the trade.


In fairness to Olshey, Stern would have vetoed the CP3 trade 99% without EJ. I think he would've let CP3 walk than look to be playing favourites or being "unfair". When you get a chance to get a superstar level talent I think you have to make everyone and anyone available to get them (unless it's comparable superstar talent). The two important assets of the trade we EJ and the Minny pick (#10--Austin Rivers). If I were a Clippers fan I'd be happy with the deal they sent to NOLA for CP3. It would've been great to keep EJ, but I wouldn't baulk on losing CP3 because I didn't want to give up EJ.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
July 10 2012 06:34 GMT
#574
Agree that there's no way Stern would've let the Clippers get CP3 for anything less, but I only pointed that deal out because it was Olshey's claim to fame and it wasn't even that impressive. The Clippers were basically the only game left in town once the Lakers/Rockets deal was vetoed, and Olshey got handled by Stern.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13406 Posts
July 10 2012 06:42 GMT
#575
I dunno... I'd quite happily give up EJ and a #10 pick for Paul. Conversely, if I was NOLA, I'd be inclined to let CP3 walk rather than take the original crappy package the Clips offered. It was a fair trade for me in the end which is something you don't see too often with superstar trades these days.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
July 10 2012 08:45 GMT
#576
Again, keep in mind the context of my post. It's not a matter of how fair the trade was, it's the amount of credit that Olshey got for it. The CP3 trade basically gave him a free pass in many people's eyes, erasing some of his poor decisions, i.e. the Baron-MoWill trade. I'm simply arguing that Olshey didn't do anything impressive in that trade other than to sit back and take whatever Stern was allowing to happen.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 10 2012 08:48 GMT
#577
Irving-Gordon-Griffin could have been a very scary thought for the league.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
July 10 2012 17:16 GMT
#578
The pick+Baron for Williams trade was legit. It was statistically improbable that that pick was going to end up 1. If it was Derrick Williams or even Jonas Valanciunas, I wouldn't really care. It was just awful awful luck, since you know, it's the Clippers. In hindsight, you might have top-3 protected it, (duhhhhhhhhhh) but the trade was the right move.

Caron's contract on the other hand...
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Pobearo
Profile Joined August 2009
United States351 Posts
July 10 2012 18:20 GMT
#579
Perry Jones III is balling out in the summer league in the first 2 games. He looks way more comfortable with the style of the NBA than he did in college, looks like the Thunder got lucky.
ecstatica
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States542 Posts
July 10 2012 18:42 GMT
#580
You mean looks like Celtics layed a turd? Sometimes the moves they make seem slightly crazy.
NeMeSiS3, Portlandian, Reason,
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