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rei
United States3594 Posts
On July 08 2012 10:04 Ace wrote: NBA is far better at Team Basketball than any other league. EJ: http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/7/7/3142262/eric-gordon-hornets-nba-free-agency-2012 team basketball means every player in the floor makes the best decision in regard of how to get the highest % shot the defense is giving them? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 08 2012 10:55 MassHysteria wrote: That was good Ace. Allow me to offer a counter with this though. http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2012-07-06/eric-gordon-suns-contract-new-orleans-hornets-chris-paul-trade-nba-free-agency?eadid=EL/SICOM&sct=nba_t2_a12 I actually agree with the premise: Gordon is a RFA and he can't do shit about it. The team has every right to say "no, you aren't leaving because you think you can". My issue here is people not understanding where EJ is coming from. He CLEARLY doesn't trust the management side of the NBA. Remember what the Clippers did to him? They traded him last summer while he was on a tour bus giving a tour with Clippers' fans. (Not sure about this but I think they told him he was NOT getting traded) This year he comes out and says he loves NO and wants to stay. Right after draft night he does a complete 180. Something is going on and if he feels management is going to trade him in the future because they want to make Davis/Rivers the "stars" I see where he is coming from. I'd rather he kept quiet about it because that team doesn't need any distractions going into the season at all. On July 08 2012 10:56 rei wrote: team basketball means every player in the floor makes the best decision in regard of how to get the highest % shot the defense is giving them? Beyond that. It's more than just finding the highest % shot: It's about boxing out your man so your other guy can get boards, transition defense, hell defense in general which is the best way to guage team basketball where non-NBA leagues suffer mainly because of their rules, and offensively more to do with screen setting and spacing than just making an extra pass. | ||
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VENDIZ
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Hinrich going back to Bulls too VENDIZ ^^. edit: BOS trying to swing some sing-and-trades for Camby and/or Lee. That would be a pretty nice coup imo. | ||
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VENDIZ
1575 Posts
Oh, by the way; is there any way to watch the Summer League here in Europe? :o | ||
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kiy0
Portugal593 Posts
On July 08 2012 09:39 Chunhyang wrote: Nononononono keep Lewis's horrifying contrct out of this. MC would be good though. Lewis was bought out and is an unrestricted free-agent. Doesn't hurt to read some stuff before posting. | ||
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Pobearo
United States351 Posts
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
On July 08 2012 02:10 rei wrote: who's good on the greece team? Almost every player... Remember they beat the US a few years ago, and they've always been an elite international team. I always thought they were overrated but certainly didn't expect them to lose to Nigeria  On July 08 2012 11:06 Ace wrote: Beyond that. It's more than just finding the highest % shot: It's about boxing out your man so your other guy can get boards, transition defense, hell defense in general which is the best way to guage team basketball where non-NBA leagues suffer mainly because of their rules, and offensively more to do with screen setting and spacing than just making an extra pass. Ace, I know you think you know what you're talking about but I really don't think you do. Try to get some knowledge of the other competitions before comparing them to the NBA. | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
On July 09 2012 13:15 MilesTeg wrote: Almost every player... Remember they beat the US a few years ago, and they've always been an elite international team. I always thought they were overrated but certainly didn't expect them to lose to Nigeria Ace, I know you think you know what you're talking about but I really don't think you do. Try to get some knowledge of the other competitions before comparing them to the NBA. If you think other leagues are on the NBA's level, you don't know what you're talking about. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
 ETA: And it goes beyond the NBAs skill level. The NBA rules that deny bigs from sitting in the paint force defenses to play more rotation defense which means you're pretty much a 5 man blob on defense. The old NBA rules that allowed bigs to sit in the paint were great with handchecking and funneling guys into bigs. This is a really simplified way of looking at things but that's the gist of it. If there are other rule sets in Euroleague, FIBA or any league I'm not aware of I'd like to hear it. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/08/the-nba-vs-europe/ http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/03/nba-vs-europe-style-of-play/ | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
It's true that in a lot of sports, like fencing and tae kwon do, at the elite levels a lot of strategy goes out the window and it becomes a question of who's faster. | ||
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x2fst
1272 Posts
batum too much too randerson is v good value. hornets doing very well | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
The first article is just laughable. I mean let's just use some common sense here: 1.) European players are more skilled than NBA players and play more team basketball. 2.) European players are more fundamentally sound. 3.) Then why in the world is everyone playing zone defense? I mean seriously? If everyone is that good of a team player, passer and shooter then all defenses should be traps, overplaying the ball, forcing everyone to the post and man-to-man. But they just in general aren't good enough to do these things and some of it goes beyond athletic talent. For years I've been hearing these same excuses being made, but when Team USA assembles and just kills every team trying to play zone against them and making it look easy all I hear is "well they're bigger and faster" while everyone ignores how the Team USA guards and small forwards carve these European defenses up with sheer ball handling ability. You LITERALLY see Deron Williams, Kobe, Wade, Chris Paul and Jason Kidd run around their zones treating people like traffic cones because they don't have the defensive schemes in place that NBA teams do. People complaing about NBA being iso-oriented when vs NBA defenses they really are not. Even the best players don't purely iso vs a defense as much as people think because they can't score consistently against them. Even worse if it was so simple then all the iso scoring machines the Team USA sends to the Olympics and FIBA should be getting chewed up by these European Zone defenses. Except they don't and steam roll them because the level of competition is just so, so low except for the occasional team from Spain that is also sporting Euros who play in the NBA. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
ETA: I also think people are just silly and tend to look at shot distribution to decide what is team basketball when their is much more to it than that. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13430 Posts
On July 09 2012 15:07 x2fst wrote: lol at the ilyasova deal It's not too bad. Maybe a couple mill more than he's worth, but if he can keep up last year's level of production it will be a good buy. My problem with the deal is the Bucks were, as always, bidding against themselves and yet somehow they end up paying at the higher end... That and I've seen far too many guys bust their arse in a contract only to dog it once they get paid. It was only 7 years ago the Bucks threw a 5/$47mill deal at Bobby Simmons after his MIP year. The Bucks always seem to get burnt on these deals so let's hope Ersan shows a bit of backbone now he has been paid. edit: here's a brief (unofficial) history of how it went down: The Bucks originally offered 35/5. Ersan shopped it around and didnt get a better offer. Then the Bucks stepped up their offer to 40/5. Then Ersan/agent threatened to visit teams next week who never offered more than the Bucks in the first place so the Bucks upped the offer again. Other teams are signing guys and using up their space. As Ersan's options were dwindling the Bucks were gaining leverage yet kept raising the offer. edit 2: if Anderson's worth $9mill per, I think Ersan would be pretty close to being worth the same. Personally I think both are a little overpaid, but if they can continue to improve then they could be both solid tier 3 type guys. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On July 09 2012 15:59 Itsmedudeman wrote: You can argue about team basketball all you want, but the truth is that having a superstar is pretty much a necessity if you want to be a legit contender. When was the last time that a team won without a superstar to carry them? The celtics were kinda the only ones you could argue, but in reality they just had 4 superstars instead of 1. I don't think it's fair to ever say european is "better" at team basketball, but it is true that they are "more" about team basketball. If you did that shit with kobe or lebron or durant on your team you wouldn't win a championship. It's simply a better way of playing when you actually have the talent. Pistons also. | ||
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