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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
July 05 2012 10:04 GMT
#361
[image loading]

found this earlier gave me a good laugh.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
July 05 2012 11:36 GMT
#362
welp. please just sell the raptors already.
starleague forever
seanisgrand
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1039 Posts
July 05 2012 13:27 GMT
#363
On July 05 2012 16:30 citi.zen wrote:
By itself, I don't like the Nash trade that much: 27m over 3 years to a 38 year old guard who cannot defend is a "win now or bust" move. And as it stands, LAL still cannot get past OKC or MIA. But they did need a PG, and perhaps can put together more trades, giving them a better chance next season.


That OKC series was as close to being 3-1 Lakers as it was to 3-1 OKC. The Lakers made some terrible mistakes late in 2 of the losses and OKC capitalized. I think the gap is much closer right now than people believe, although it would have widened in the coming years. That widening has probably been delayed a year because of the acquisition of Nash.

On Nash's defense, it's not like anybody will be staying in front of the Westbrooks or Parkers of the NBA. No one really can consistently. The Lakers, and by extension the league, will have to deal with that for the foreseeable future because of the apparent no-touch rules in the current NBA. The Lakers are at no more of a disadvantage than anybody else. What every SHOULD be worried about is how you stop LeBron James with the way the game is officiated because the road to the rings runs through Miami, and will for a while.

Another interesting possibility, although probably pipe, is that with the addition of Nash, Dwight may be more interested in playing with the Lakers. Once upon a time the Magic wanted to acquire Nash and Dwight was on board with it. I'm not convinced Bynum's plodding pace fits with Nash (it doesn't actually), or that Drew will adapt to it (he won't, Shaq didn't). I think Howard, if healthy, fits much better with the Lakers+Nash than Bynum ever will, and gives the Lakers a more consistent watchdog near the rim when those speedy guards and LBJ's get past our 70+ year old backcourt.
This is well below quality expected of a post in any forum. -Empyrean
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 14:47:09
July 05 2012 14:24 GMT
#364
Good post seanisgrand, agree entirely. I had heard magic wanted to include j.rich in any deal to the lakers too so wonder if this complicates things now.

edit: can't say I didn't see the Dragic signing coming next
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
July 05 2012 15:04 GMT
#365
Anything to improve Nash's chances at winning a ring I'm cool with. That man deserves it.
Forever Young
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
July 05 2012 15:08 GMT
#366
I saw Nash last night in Miami Beach. I went to a local bar and there he was... :l
Life?
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 05 2012 15:35 GMT
#367
There's a lot more to defense than just staying in front of the guy you're guarding. Nash just isn't really good in many aspects of defense that matter on the perimeter. Either way I think it was a good move for the Lakers.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10360 Posts
July 05 2012 15:45 GMT
#368
On July 05 2012 22:27 seanisgrand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 16:30 citi.zen wrote:
By itself, I don't like the Nash trade that much: 27m over 3 years to a 38 year old guard who cannot defend is a "win now or bust" move. And as it stands, LAL still cannot get past OKC or MIA. But they did need a PG, and perhaps can put together more trades, giving them a better chance next season.


That OKC series was as close to being 3-1 Lakers as it was to 3-1 OKC. The Lakers made some terrible mistakes late in 2 of the losses and OKC capitalized. I think the gap is much closer right now than people believe, although it would have widened in the coming years. That widening has probably been delayed a year because of the acquisition of Nash.

On Nash's defense, it's not like anybody will be staying in front of the Westbrooks or Parkers of the NBA. No one really can consistently. The Lakers, and by extension the league, will have to deal with that for the foreseeable future because of the apparent no-touch rules in the current NBA. The Lakers are at no more of a disadvantage than anybody else. What every SHOULD be worried about is how you stop LeBron James with the way the game is officiated because the road to the rings runs through Miami, and will for a while.

Another interesting possibility, although probably pipe, is that with the addition of Nash, Dwight may be more interested in playing with the Lakers. Once upon a time the Magic wanted to acquire Nash and Dwight was on board with it. I'm not convinced Bynum's plodding pace fits with Nash (it doesn't actually), or that Drew will adapt to it (he won't, Shaq didn't). I think Howard, if healthy, fits much better with the Lakers+Nash than Bynum ever will, and gives the Lakers a more consistent watchdog near the rim when those speedy guards and LBJ's get past our 70+ year old backcourt.

I've been ranting on that series for a long time now. People say "oh OKC ez 4-1, Lakers suck". Lakers lost games 2 and 4 late in the 4th with leads. God I hate Bynum for saying "Oh closing out games is ez derp". I somehow KNEW instant karma would come and bite us in the ass.

Agree with the faster paced game though. I think we need Howard, someone who puts effort into his game to help others, while Bynum is just too immature and does what he wants.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
July 05 2012 16:00 GMT
#369
On July 06 2012 00:45 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 22:27 seanisgrand wrote:
On July 05 2012 16:30 citi.zen wrote:
By itself, I don't like the Nash trade that much: 27m over 3 years to a 38 year old guard who cannot defend is a "win now or bust" move. And as it stands, LAL still cannot get past OKC or MIA. But they did need a PG, and perhaps can put together more trades, giving them a better chance next season.


That OKC series was as close to being 3-1 Lakers as it was to 3-1 OKC. The Lakers made some terrible mistakes late in 2 of the losses and OKC capitalized. I think the gap is much closer right now than people believe, although it would have widened in the coming years. That widening has probably been delayed a year because of the acquisition of Nash.

On Nash's defense, it's not like anybody will be staying in front of the Westbrooks or Parkers of the NBA. No one really can consistently. The Lakers, and by extension the league, will have to deal with that for the foreseeable future because of the apparent no-touch rules in the current NBA. The Lakers are at no more of a disadvantage than anybody else. What every SHOULD be worried about is how you stop LeBron James with the way the game is officiated because the road to the rings runs through Miami, and will for a while.

Another interesting possibility, although probably pipe, is that with the addition of Nash, Dwight may be more interested in playing with the Lakers. Once upon a time the Magic wanted to acquire Nash and Dwight was on board with it. I'm not convinced Bynum's plodding pace fits with Nash (it doesn't actually), or that Drew will adapt to it (he won't, Shaq didn't). I think Howard, if healthy, fits much better with the Lakers+Nash than Bynum ever will, and gives the Lakers a more consistent watchdog near the rim when those speedy guards and LBJ's get past our 70+ year old backcourt.

I've been ranting on that series for a long time now. People say "oh OKC ez 4-1, Lakers suck". Lakers lost games 2 and 4 late in the 4th with leads. God I hate Bynum for saying "Oh closing out games is ez derp". I somehow KNEW instant karma would come and bite us in the ass.

Agree with the faster paced game though. I think we need Howard, someone who puts effort into his game to help others, while Bynum is just too immature and does what he wants.

I'm no Lakers fan, but I've been advocating a trade for Howard for some time, it just makes sense to me. I think he can be the most exciting player on the court, only when playing in the right scheme, and the Nets do not have that scheme.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
July 05 2012 16:19 GMT
#370
On July 06 2012 00:35 Ace wrote:
There's a lot more to defense than just staying in front of the guy you're guarding. Nash just isn't really good in many aspects of defense that matter on the perimeter. Either way I think it was a good move for the Lakers.

Agreed. I think he was more referring to people saying how Westbrook is gonna blow by Nash. Which is true, but he would have done that to Ramon or most people for that matter.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Iteachextra
Profile Joined April 2012
46 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 17:29:44
July 05 2012 17:29 GMT
#371
Steve Nash gives a shout out to Team Liquid btw =)

VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
July 05 2012 18:11 GMT
#372
Kyle Lowry is sent to Toronto for a deal including future lottery picks to Houston!

I like the idea of Lowry in Toronto, he was sooo good in the first half of the season! Hope he stays healthy
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 19:20:46
July 05 2012 18:14 GMT
#373
Wow, nice job Toronto. Depending on what picks were traded, etc., it actually sounds like a decent plan B for them after failing to get Nash.

edit: sources say it wasn't a Plan B. They wanted him even if they got Nash.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 18:17:48
July 05 2012 18:17 GMT
#374
I dont like it. Giving up a lottery pick for Lowry while they are still stuck with Bargs? :/

ETA: Their defense should go up a notch though.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 19:54:42
July 05 2012 18:43 GMT
#375
they traded an unprotected pick? oh geez..still haven't checked out deal but about to as soon as I post this.
EDIT:guaranteed lottery pick wtf...if it's in the 11-13s or wherever the lottery ends it might not be so bad, this one kind of hard to gauge somewhat. I do like Lowry's play and his contract is nice but not if it turns out to be a one-year rental. Too many questions so I'll just wait and see.

Clippers get Billups and Crawford. http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8132526/sources-los-angeles-clippers-keep-chauncey-billups-get-jamal-crawford

edit2: just heard a Nash interview on the radio <3
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
July 05 2012 20:08 GMT
#376
toronto loves to store up these assets without producing a real team. I guess they saw lowry on the cheap and finally worked out a deal they liked, to bad they didn't do it on draft night, could've got their pick and lowry, while keeping this future lottery pick.


torontos luck, its a #14 pick, that rolls #1, houstans luck, its a #1 pick that rolls #5.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
July 05 2012 21:40 GMT
#377
On July 06 2012 05:08 Holcan wrote:
toronto loves to store up these assets without producing a real team. I guess they saw lowry on the cheap and finally worked out a deal they liked, to bad they didn't do it on draft night, could've got their pick and lowry, while keeping this future lottery pick.


torontos luck, its a #14 pick, that rolls #1, houstans luck, its a #1 pick that rolls #5.


Houston's luck sounds a lot like the Wizards luck. They had a string or recent years where the lottery gave them the lowest pick possible for their slot.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
July 05 2012 23:18 GMT
#378
It seems like EJ really doesn't want the Hornets to match. He might pull a Joe Johnson and explicitly ask for an effective "release." He'll probably never forgive the Clips but I still think that the Clippers were his destiny

I will continue to love in my phantom universe of Kyrie, EJ, Random wing, Blake, DeAndre and Bledsoe with tons of cap space Q_Q
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 23:38:54
July 05 2012 23:37 GMT
#379
Also, it seems that Lin and the Rockets have come to terms. Source is Woj.

EDIT: https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-06 00:28:14
July 06 2012 00:18 GMT
#380
On July 06 2012 08:37 slyboogie wrote:
Also, it seems that Lin and the Rockets have come to terms. Source is Woj.

EDIT: https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/


Four years, $28.8M. But NY will match. Jersey and ticket sales, baby!

EDIT: So far the PG merry go round looks like this:

Kidd: DAL to NYK
Lin: NYK to HOU [if NYK doesn't match]
Lowry: HOU to TOR
Calderon: TOR to ???

Moar trades please!!!
Dwight to LAL for draft picks til 2O25!
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
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