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Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
May 03 2013 19:09 GMT
#121
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Liara
Profile Joined May 2013
22 Posts
May 03 2013 19:23 GMT
#122
On May 04 2013 03:31 m4inbrain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 02:15 Liara wrote:
On May 04 2013 01:00 daemir wrote:
A new mmo comes, rogue/thief is a monster in pvp.

Some things never change


In WoW back then Warriors were the most imbalanced class in PvP.


You mean every single season (except maybe S5)?


Season? I mean Vanilla WoW. I stopped with WoW, when it became a terrible Casualgame in WotLK.
PvP in MMOs is never balanced, because MMOs have become a 100% Casualgenre and Casuals are bad and want easy mechanics.
m4inbrain
Profile Joined November 2011
1505 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 19:30:33
May 03 2013 19:25 GMT
#123
On May 04 2013 04:01 daemir wrote:
Yes back in vanilla, rogues clearly were not the ganking man's pick with permastealth ^_^

warriors could rip rogues, and then warriors couldn't even land a blow vs mages, I recall the numerous times I kited warriors to death with r1 frostbolt, just because.

So I guess it was perfect rock paper scissors balance!


Ambushvanishambushbackstabyay! Fünf-Minuten-Terrine inc (german, translates roughly to "five-minute-cup-a-noodles").

But that changed with the first addon - after that warriors were always on top thanks to ridonculous scaling. Warrior actually had a decent chance even against mages as soon as they got SR and found out that you actually can switch out of zerkerstance. Basically, warriors op since lvl66 (and enough gear). And rogues had a decent chance against warriors as well, thanks to mutilate.

But i derail, just getting a bit nostalgic. Continue with NWO. ^^

Edit:

Season? I mean Vanilla WoW. I stopped with WoW, when it became a terrible Casualgame in WotLK.


You know that there's an addon between vanilla and Lich King, the one that introduced arena and lasted for three seasons, called burning crusade, right?
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
May 03 2013 19:49 GMT
#124
Nothing beat good rogues in Vanilla WoW... was never even close, good rogues > every class in Vanilla. World of Roguecraft videos made a solid case... when u see a rogue in lvl 1 white gear take down a lvl 60 warrior in full GM/Tier 3...
meh but I wont drag this argument on...


anyways game is fun. idk if its fun enough to ever take the place of what WoW was to me in Vanilla and even TBC.
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
May 04 2013 00:00 GMT
#125
On May 04 2013 04:49 MaestroSC wrote:
Nothing beat good rogues in Vanilla WoW... was never even close, good rogues > every class in Vanilla. World of Roguecraft videos made a solid case... when u see a rogue in lvl 1 white gear take down a lvl 60 warrior in full GM/Tier 3...
meh but I wont drag this argument on...


anyways game is fun. idk if its fun enough to ever take the place of what WoW was to me in Vanilla and even TBC.


I really don't want to reply to this but come on man rogues were easily killed by several classes in "best" gear vs "best" gear in duels throughout vanilla wow. Obviously when you can jump someone they were often more or less dead but it worked the otherway around too, if you caught a rogue without major cooldowns up he couldn't do anything.
TooL
Profile Joined April 2004
Canada275 Posts
May 04 2013 00:10 GMT
#126
rogues were one of the best dueling classes in vanilla.

you usually have your cooldowns up in duels.
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
May 04 2013 00:11 GMT
#127
heh, just started Neverwinter and I must say it's not all that bad. Kind of enjoying it. Playing a guardian atm.
KaoReal
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada340 Posts
May 04 2013 00:27 GMT
#128
This game seems to lend itself to gamepads, and I guess it used to have gamepad support in previous beta/alpha versions, but it isn't there now. It's a real shame! I hope they bring it back.
Life can only be understood backwards, but must be lived forward
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
May 04 2013 00:29 GMT
#129
Really loving Neverwinter so far. My leading game so far, I'm currently level 18 Trickster Rogue @ Dragon Shard. Working on Leatherworking + Leadership professions.

Lots of flexibility to do as you like. Crafting + Auction House on the fly is terrific. Only odd thing is for an MMO you have only 3 Action skills on your bar. I'm hoping it expands to 4, 5, 6 at higher levels.
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
May 04 2013 00:29 GMT
#130
Once you get past level 30 it's so easy to control TR's it's not even funny. Rogues are powerful early because they get their gap closer, stun, and autocrit at low levels. You literally use the same skills the entire game from level 10 on because their good stuff unlocks early. After 30 though everything else catches up. A CW can rape my TR before I even get one hit off. GF's can tank me all day. GWF's are still pretty easy to kill. And clerics are...well they're clerics. Also have a pretty gratuitous amount of CC. This is coming from someone with a TR, CW, and GWF past level 30 right now.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10133 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 00:49:26
May 04 2013 00:48 GMT
#131
On May 04 2013 09:00 Daray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 04:49 MaestroSC wrote:
Nothing beat good rogues in Vanilla WoW... was never even close, good rogues > every class in Vanilla. World of Roguecraft videos made a solid case... when u see a rogue in lvl 1 white gear take down a lvl 60 warrior in full GM/Tier 3...
meh but I wont drag this argument on...


anyways game is fun. idk if its fun enough to ever take the place of what WoW was to me in Vanilla and even TBC.


I really don't want to reply to this but come on man rogues were easily killed by several classes in "best" gear vs "best" gear in duels throughout vanilla wow. Obviously when you can jump someone they were often more or less dead but it worked the otherway around too, if you caught a rogue without major cooldowns up he couldn't do anything.


In vanilla nup. Give me examples on a full cooldown undead/gnome rogue + engineer couldn't kill

More on topic, is the pvp any fun ? even at low levels ? for funsies and giggles i could convince some friends. Infernal is the CC too much ? Are there anti CC mechanichs ?
Resisty
Profile Joined December 2011
United States375 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 01:18:06
May 04 2013 01:14 GMT
#132
PVP is 5v5 3-base domination, similar to Tera BGs or 3-base Arathi Basin. Games require some strategy and coordination to have a chance, so it is annoying if you're stuck with people that don't care and just march into the middle to fight.


From a low-level rogue's perspective, I actually feel pretty mindless when I play :/. Between three Encounter abilities, two At-Wills, Stealth, and Rolling, I don't really feel that much complexity in the combat. Granted, higher level abilities might bring something nice, but I've looked at them and I probably can probably figure out which ones are viable or not. The only exception to this is Rolling to dodge a big spell, which increases the skill cap and will probably have to be mastered in end game fights.

I know rogues have a skill that breaks CC but I don't know about the others. I'm on Dragon server btw ;o.
Humans are greedy, therefore they are human.
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
May 04 2013 02:01 GMT
#133
On May 04 2013 10:14 Resisty wrote:
PVP is 5v5 3-base domination, similar to Tera BGs or 3-base Arathi Basin. Games require some strategy and coordination to have a chance, so it is annoying if you're stuck with people that don't care and just march into the middle to fight.


From a low-level rogue's perspective, I actually feel pretty mindless when I play :/. Between three Encounter abilities, two At-Wills, Stealth, and Rolling, I don't really feel that much complexity in the combat. Granted, higher level abilities might bring something nice, but I've looked at them and I probably can probably figure out which ones are viable or not. The only exception to this is Rolling to dodge a big spell, which increases the skill cap and will probably have to be mastered in end game fights.

I know rogues have a skill that breaks CC but I don't know about the others. I'm on Dragon server btw ;o.


Later on you're going to be chain cc'd to death. Better hope there's no CW's on the opposing team or that they are braindead. Once you go up in the air once you're toast.
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
May 04 2013 07:43 GMT
#134
thought id let people know....

fastest lvling (tho the #1 method was nerfed hours ago) is doing the Hulkamania player made dungeon. its just a big open canyon, full of big slow mobs. u kite the entire group in a circle and kill it with AOE. A couple of control wizards can bust it out np. My friends did the even better one pre-nerf and got from 20-30 in like an hour.

AOE and dailies are boss in it.

just thought id give a heads up
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2297 Posts
May 04 2013 07:52 GMT
#135
Should we make a TL guild? I m on Dragon server btw lvl 9 guardian atm.
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
May 04 2013 07:54 GMT
#136
are the servers dead
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2297 Posts
May 04 2013 07:54 GMT
#137
On May 04 2013 16:54 Erandorr wrote:
are the servers dead

Think so. Patching errors and cant start the game...
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
May 04 2013 08:01 GMT
#138
Even their forums/website do not work at the moment. Did something explode :D
sc2pal
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland624 Posts
May 04 2013 08:09 GMT
#139
Neverwinter ‏@NeverwinterGame 16m

Hey everybody! We're aware that the servers are currently inaccessible, and are investigating. Thanks for bearing with us!
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 04 2013 08:54 GMT
#140
Can anyone explain to me how do I do the invocations?
The game says I can get some rough astral diamonds with that but nobody explains how.
Also how do I do the first skirmish? I found a queue for it and entered it but nothing happened? !
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