I don't think you understand the point of sponsors to professional sports or gaming. The sponsors job is to pay players and / or teams and help them excell. The players bring in viewers becuase people are there to watch a competition. These viewers then go out and buy the product that the sponsor advertises.
Sponsors are not supposed to draw in people. No one watches the Super Bowl because Coca Cola advertises during it. They watch it because of the teams competing. So yeah, a company can scare people away from an event. But it will not draw people into it.
If you spent half the time you do prosecuting people with sarky comments by reading your own posts then you could find very obvious answers for your questions. "What does it bring to the table?" Money.
You are already wrong. The sponsors job is to make an intelligent investment and get a RETURN on that investment..
Yeah that's actually exactly what he said. Sponsor supports player --> Player does well --> Player's viewers support sponsor. That sounds like an investment to me.
Players doing well is only a fraction of what gets a sponsor a return on that investment. Sponsors are not paying people to excell, they are paying them to help sell their license. HUGE difference.
Easy example, Idra has been playing like shit lately, but he helps promote his brand more so than someone like "socke" does by winning some small tournament
Both me and Jerglings have in our post outlined the exact process of how a sponsor makes money. I suggest you being a fucking douchebag and ignoring VERY CLEAR explanations and then follow up by trying to ridicule us by deconstructing and misquoting.
Either way I'm done arguing with you. Several times you have commented on my and others posts without fully reading them. Misquoting and taking stuff out of context. You have made some of the poorest arguments I've ever seen on TL and that says a lot.
My only regret is that I wasted close to 2 hours in this thread when all you do is attack people constantly. I really hope you find some other outlet of your need for personal vendettas so that you can stop plaguing people trying to have a serious discussion.
Have a nice evening.
I've misquoted nothing, read everything before responding, and articulated my points as well as I'm going to do. Meanwhile you're the one calling people "fucking douchebags" and talking down to us as if our opinions on the matter make us 'unworthy' of talking to you. It's laughable to think you are trying to have a 'serious' conversation after calling us all bigots and ignorants.
It's all to obvious that you are incapable of having a 'serious' conversation without getting so emotionally invested that in the end you just resort to petty insults and lashing out at anyone you disagree with. So I'm done talking to you.
Weren't you being Mr. Macho man earlier saying people need to go outside and find a girl?
On April 04 2012 03:12 Leth0 wrote: If you are so hard up that you need porn at video game tournaments than you need to go outside and find a woman.
I'd say you're talking down to a few people.
Edit: Also done with this thread, it's been somewhat of a nightmare with the arguments going on.
How is that macho? I stand by that statement. That's not talking down to anyone, I didn't point someone out and say "you need to go find a woman" I said what I said and I meant it. If you are so hard up that porn sponsors for a video game tournament entices you than you probably should find a woman.
Like it should be known, a sponsor, will sponsor something, or someone in order to help promote their brand, license or w/e it is they do. It doesn't make sense for this scene.
Your logic is painful.
The english word "You" can be used in general without referring to a specific person.
On April 04 2012 06:29 Leth0 wrote: Here's a question for all you champions that think a video game tournament is the perfect place for porn site to cross promote. What does it bring to the table?.....What audience is being drawn in due to the presence of brazzers?, Now compare that to what could be lost.
Answer that question and you will understand why this is a bad idea.
I don't think you understand the point of sponsors to professional sports or gaming. The sponsors job is to pay players and / or teams and help them excell. The players bring in viewers becuase people are there to watch a competition. These viewers then go out and buy the product that the sponsor advertises.
Sponsors are not supposed to draw in people. No one watches the Super Bowl because Coca Cola advertises during it. They watch it because of the teams competing. So yeah, a company can scare people away from an event. But it will not draw people into it.
If you spent half the time you do prosecuting people with sarky comments by reading your own posts then you could find very obvious answers for your questions. "What does it bring to the table?" Money.
You are already wrong. The sponsors job is to make an intelligent investment and get a RETURN on that investment..
Yeah that's actually exactly what he said. Sponsor supports player --> Player does well --> Player's viewers support sponsor. That sounds like an investment to me.
Players doing well is only a fraction of what gets a sponsor a return on that investment. Sponsors are not paying people to excell, they are paying them to help sell their license. HUGE difference.
Easy example, Idra has been playing like shit lately, but he helps promote his brand more so than someone like "socke" does by winning some small tournament
Regardless of y poor word choice in that example, you just supported what you think you're argui against. Not sure I you're aware. Unless you're argui for the same of arguing, then I humbly request you stop
why would this be an issue at all? Bigger teams won't accept brazzer as a sponsor and smaller teams that are broke will most likely accept anyone that has money. I also don't get it, if a player is named "BRAZZERS_handle" why can't a caster say he is from team "brazzer" like he does with every other team. What is different? Those who know about brazzers don't care and those who don't think it is a team like every other team. It is not like DJwheat has to say:"he is from team brazzers, yeah it's that site that offers the best porn, they have lots of anal and gangbang on their site, whenever i masturbate i fap to brazzers porn."
On April 04 2012 06:28 careohx wrote: So disgusted of hypocrisy. Whats the big deal with porn? Why is it dirty? We all watch that shit its natural. Better than have people go around raping each other.
Yea , so lets just put it everywhere right? How is it hypcritical to want it kept seperate from the streams i tune in to watch a video game tournament for?
And wtf does rape even have to do with anything? You are so off the wall with w/e point you are trying to make.
It's not like they're going to put actual porn up during tournaments...
It's just advertising...>_>
It's tasteless.
How is it tasteless?
If Brazzers wants to give money to an esports community, I say let them. Money is money.
And they will need to put up a ton of money because when they start to sponsor events, every other sponsor is going to drop their sponsorship
But why would they? I don't understand what's wrong with the vast majority of people that have a problem with this...
Associating your company with porn is a big no no. Do you really not know this?
Who's company? What companies are invested in the FGC?
And secondly, why?
The fact that people have an aversion to porn is so ridiculous considering how incredibly successful the industry is. Most likely being paid in part by the very people who talk it down.
It's not about what people think, it's actually about what's politically correct. And porn isn't politically correct, at least not for this scene. Do you actually think it would be beneficial in the grand scheme of things if major tournaments started being sponsored by porn sites?
On April 04 2012 06:28 careohx wrote: So disgusted of hypocrisy. Whats the big deal with porn? Why is it dirty? We all watch that shit its natural. Better than have people go around raping each other.
Yea , so lets just put it everywhere right? How is it hypcritical to want it kept seperate from the streams i tune in to watch a video game tournament for?
And wtf does rape even have to do with anything? You are so off the wall with w/e point you are trying to make.
It's not like they're going to put actual porn up during tournaments...
It's just advertising...>_>
It's tasteless.
How is it tasteless?
If Brazzers wants to give money to an esports community, I say let them. Money is money.
And they will need to put up a ton of money because when they start to sponsor events, every other sponsor is going to drop their sponsorship
But why would they? I don't understand what's wrong with the vast majority of people that have a problem with this...
Associating your company with porn is a big no no. Do you really not know this?
Who's company? What companies are invested in the FGC?
And secondly, why?
The fact that people have an aversion to porn is so ridiculous considering how incredibly successful the industry is. Most likely being paid in part by the very people who talk it down.
It's not about what people think, it's actually about what's politically correct. And porn isn't politically correct, at least not for this scene. Do you actually think it would be beneficial in the grand scheme of things if major tournaments started being sponsored by porn sites?
Actually that will NEVER happen, if porn gets in we will have NO major tournaments at all anymore so there's that.
On April 04 2012 06:28 careohx wrote: So disgusted of hypocrisy. Whats the big deal with porn? Why is it dirty? We all watch that shit its natural. Better than have people go around raping each other.
Yea , so lets just put it everywhere right? How is it hypcritical to want it kept seperate from the streams i tune in to watch a video game tournament for?
And wtf does rape even have to do with anything? You are so off the wall with w/e point you are trying to make.
It's not like they're going to put actual porn up during tournaments...
It's just advertising...>_>
It's tasteless.
How is it tasteless?
If Brazzers wants to give money to an esports community, I say let them. Money is money.
And they will need to put up a ton of money because when they start to sponsor events, every other sponsor is going to drop their sponsorship
But why would they? I don't understand what's wrong with the vast majority of people that have a problem with this...
Associating your company with porn is a big no no. Do you really not know this?
Who's company? What companies are invested in the FGC?
And secondly, why?
The fact that people have an aversion to porn is so ridiculous considering how incredibly successful the industry is. Most likely being paid in part by the very people who talk it down.
It's not about what people think, it's actually about what's politically correct. And porn isn't politically correct, at least not for this scene. Do you actually think it would be beneficial in the grand scheme of things if major tournaments started being sponsored by porn sites?
I don't think you understand what politically correct means...>_>
Yea , so lets just put it everywhere right? How is it hypcritical to want it kept seperate from the streams i tune in to watch a video game tournament for?
And wtf does rape even have to do with anything? You are so off the wall with w/e point you are trying to make.
It's not like they're going to put actual porn up during tournaments...
It's just advertising...>_>
It's tasteless.
How is it tasteless?
If Brazzers wants to give money to an esports community, I say let them. Money is money.
And they will need to put up a ton of money because when they start to sponsor events, every other sponsor is going to drop their sponsorship
But why would they? I don't understand what's wrong with the vast majority of people that have a problem with this...
Associating your company with porn is a big no no. Do you really not know this?
Who's company? What companies are invested in the FGC?
And secondly, why?
The fact that people have an aversion to porn is so ridiculous considering how incredibly successful the industry is. Most likely being paid in part by the very people who talk it down.
It's not about what people think, it's actually about what's politically correct. And porn isn't politically correct, at least not for this scene. Do you actually think it would be beneficial in the grand scheme of things if major tournaments started being sponsored by porn sites?
Actually that will NEVER happen, if porn gets in we will have NO major tournaments at all anymore so there's that.
That's exactly my point, too many sponsors would pull out for it to be beneficial at all.
On April 04 2012 02:16 chestnutcc wrote: Jokes aside, terrible idea, there are many underage pro gamers and spectators at sc2 events, and this would be really bad for publicity. Don't get me wrong, I like me some porn, but its just not appropriate to have them sponsoring an activity that is not age restricted for the most part, and that actively needs more participation.
Imagine DJWheat trying to explain that to miniwheat? Or Day[9] rationalizing this to his increasingly mainstream clientele?
Funny to bring up DJWheat as an example.
Thank you Based Jaeger. This needs more attention lol. DJWheat is a guy I have immense respect for as a fighting game player (his crew covering devastation in 09 is basically what forced fighting game majors to start streaming), but it shows that an association with porn stars didn't ruin everything forever.
While from the thread it's pretty clear it'd be a bad match for starcraft, I think this is a good match for fighting games. We really don't have much to lose at this point, and Brazzers would be one of few sponsors that wouldn't be trying to tone down the FGC to a PG rating.
On April 04 2012 07:47 Fluffboll wrote:
Actually that will NEVER happen, if porn gets in we will have NO major tournaments at all anymore so there's that.
And that's why this is a better fit for fighters. Fighting games can have major tournaments even with no real sponsors at all, and they have for a long time.
All of you dramafags that got up in arms over SOPA are here saying porn sponsorship is unwelcome. Why?
You all had no problem with pokerstrategy sponsoring TSL.
You are the very retards which require acts like SOPA to keep you and your kids safe.
edit: I'll answer for you: Its because you think "esports" needs to conform to the same standard as televised sports. You are all so desperate to align yourselves and your interests to an already established medium you are incapable of questioning the boundaries. Sucks to be you.
On April 04 2012 02:16 chestnutcc wrote: Jokes aside, terrible idea, there are many underage pro gamers and spectators at sc2 events, and this would be really bad for publicity. Don't get me wrong, I like me some porn, but its just not appropriate to have them sponsoring an activity that is not age restricted for the most part, and that actively needs more participation.
Imagine DJWheat trying to explain that to miniwheat? Or Day[9] rationalizing this to his increasingly mainstream clientele?
Thank you Based Jaeger. This needs more attention lol. DJWheat is a guy I have immense respect for as a fighting game player (his crew covering devastation in 09 is basically what forced fighting game majors to start streaming), but it shows that an association with porn stars didn't ruin everything forever.
While from the thread it's pretty clear it'd be a bad match for starcraft, I think this is a good match for fighting games. We really don't have much to lose at this point, and Brazzers would be one of few sponsors that wouldn't be trying to tone down the FGC to a PG rating.
Actually that will NEVER happen, if porn gets in we will have NO major tournaments at all anymore so there's that.
And that's why this is a better fit for fighters. Fighting games can have major tournaments even with no real sponsors at all, and it has for a long time.
As E-sports is currently being lumped together no matter the genre of game being played it is NOT a good thing for Fighting games to get this. This is a PR nightmare for everyone involved, if a game no matter what game gets even moderately associated with porn, sponsors will have no choice but to pull back from all games just because the general public will not see a difference between an RTS and a Fighting Game.
On April 04 2012 05:45 Ansinjunger wrote: Porn is a walking death machine, it only ruins lives. I know from experience. It does not provide lasting happiness or fulfillment. It wastes money and shames individuals.
Keep it out of esports, out of everywhere. It's a symptom and a contributor to laziness and lack of self discipline. There is no good at all to come of it.
Breaking news: oral sex leads to increased risk of HPV.
Seriously though, no one in their right mind should want their spouse or bf/gf to watch porn. You should not be "enough," you should be their everything.
Terribly conservative and traditional these views may be, but I only intent to teach others to avoid the misery that always comes after. Porn is the worst drug.
You are a sensationalist and a drama queen.
All individuals are different. Maybe that's something you should learn through some more "experience."
All of you dramafags that got up in arms over SOPA are here saying porn sponsorship is unwelcome. Why?
You all had no problem with pokerstrategy sponsoring TSL.
You are the very retards which require acts like SOPA to keep you and your kids safe.
edit: I'll answer for you: Its because you think "esports" needs to conform to the same standard as televised sports. You are all so desperate to align yourselves and your interests to an already established medium you are incapable of questioning the boundaries. Sucks to be you.
You have no clue how the real world works, please stop posting and save yourself the embarrassment.
I don't think a lot of companies would pull sponsorship. I don't think associate sponsorship of events with Brazzers is enough to cause public outrage.
On April 04 2012 06:28 careohx wrote: So disgusted of hypocrisy. Whats the big deal with porn? Why is it dirty? We all watch that shit its natural. Better than have people go around raping each other.
Yea , so lets just put it everywhere right? How is it hypcritical to want it kept seperate from the streams i tune in to watch a video game tournament for?
And wtf does rape even have to do with anything? You are so off the wall with w/e point you are trying to make.
It's not like they're going to put actual porn up during tournaments...
It's just advertising...>_>
It's tasteless.
How is it tasteless?
If Brazzers wants to give money to an esports community, I say let them. Money is money.
And they will need to put up a ton of money because when they start to sponsor events, every other sponsor is going to drop their sponsorship
But why would they? I don't understand what's wrong with the vast majority of people that have a problem with this...
Associating your company with porn is a big no no. Do you really not know this?
Who's company? What companies are invested in the FGC?
And secondly, why?
The fact that people have an aversion to porn is so ridiculous considering how incredibly successful the industry is. Most likely being paid in part by the very people who talk it down.
What companies are invested in the FGC? Ummm MLG and all their sponsors, Capcom, Complexity and all their sponsors, EG and all their sponsors and so on. Did you really need to ask that question?
And why? Because its bad PR. associating your company with porn leads to bad things. There is a reason you don't see porn sponsoring any other big events outside of gaming. I have no problem with porn, but they have their own industry that is completely separate from anything else and its that way for a reason.
On April 04 2012 07:59 joshrogan wrote: I don't think a lot of companies would pull sponsorship. I don't think associate sponsorship of events with Brazzers is enough to cause public outrage.
In the real world Starcraft is for nerds and is not ever going to be mainstream. Dispute that.
All of you dramafags that got up in arms over SOPA are here saying porn sponsorship is unwelcome. Why?
You all had no problem with pokerstrategy sponsoring TSL.
You are the very retards which require acts like SOPA to keep you and your kids safe.
edit: I'll answer for you: Its because you think "esports" needs to conform to the same standard as televised sports. You are all so desperate to align yourselves and your interests to an already established medium you are incapable of questioning the boundaries. Sucks to be you.
From what I can tell, beyond one guy claiming it ruined his life, and another guy saying people need to find girlfriends instead of porn, there are very few people here who are personally opposed to porn sponsoring tournaments. They're talking from other sponsor's perspectives. While it maybe an issue for other sponsors, it's not really up to us to decide.
The best bet is for them to get into contact with the fighting games sponsors and talk it over with them. Find a way to decide on some mutual ground. From my personal perspective, I don't see a single issue with porn sponsoring stuff. This is the perfect demographic(generally 15+), which makes it ideal. If SOTG wants to encourage underage drinking, and their sponsors don't care, I don't see a single reason why porn is different.
On April 04 2012 02:16 chestnutcc wrote: Jokes aside, terrible idea, there are many underage pro gamers and spectators at sc2 events, and this would be really bad for publicity. Don't get me wrong, I like me some porn, but its just not appropriate to have them sponsoring an activity that is not age restricted for the most part, and that actively needs more participation.
Imagine DJWheat trying to explain that to miniwheat? Or Day[9] rationalizing this to his increasingly mainstream clientele?
Thank you Based Jaeger. This needs more attention lol. DJWheat is a guy I have immense respect for as a fighting game player (his crew covering devastation in 09 is basically what forced fighting game majors to start streaming), but it shows that an association with porn stars didn't ruin everything forever.
While from the thread it's pretty clear it'd be a bad match for starcraft, I think this is a good match for fighting games. We really don't have much to lose at this point, and Brazzers would be one of few sponsors that wouldn't be trying to tone down the FGC to a PG rating.
On April 04 2012 07:47 Fluffboll wrote:
Actually that will NEVER happen, if porn gets in we will have NO major tournaments at all anymore so there's that.
And that's why this is a better fit for fighters. Fighting games can have major tournaments even with no real sponsors at all, and it has for a long time.
As E-sports is currently being lumped together no matter the genre of game being played it is NOT a good thing for Fighting games to get this. This is a PR nightmare for everyone involved, if a game no matter what game gets even moderately associated with porn, sponsors will have no choice but to pull back from all games just because the general public will not see a difference between an RTS and a Fighting Game.
I have to disagree with you on this. This didn't destroy everything, so I doubt LI Joe getting a few plane tickets paid for will either. There was just linked a Halo 3 video with porn stars stripping playing with DJWheat, and there have been a few starcraft 2 even streamers with porn stars on.
Another thing to note is that LI Joe isn't some troll who'll bring the world crashing down around him. He's an incredibly personable guy who's been involved in the tournament scene for years and will be making sure he doesn't harm it.
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