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On April 04 2012 01:27 Skullflower wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 01:26 solidbebe wrote:On April 04 2012 01:25 Gourmand wrote:On April 04 2012 01:22 solidbebe wrote:
There are alot of people <18 watching SC2 events/streams. Something would need to be done against this for any tournament to keep legally streaming. Well there's plenty of advertising of beer and stuff on tv, at any time of the day. Yeah but is there porn? On cable there is for like Playboy TV and shit like that
Yea but you have to specifically pay for said channel.. the only porn that comes on TV that you don't have to specifically unlock is on HBO/Showtime and its softcore stuff and in the middle of the night
also i think its awesome that brazzers is involved lol, but i can see how there are issues.
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On April 04 2012 07:01 StarBrift wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 06:53 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:50 Jerglings wrote:On April 04 2012 06:47 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:44 StarBrift wrote:On April 04 2012 06:29 Leth0 wrote:
Here's a question for all you champions that think a video game tournament is the perfect place for porn site to cross promote. What does it bring to the table?.....What audience is being drawn in due to the presence of brazzers?, Now compare that to what could be lost.
Answer that question and you will understand why this is a bad idea. I don't think you understand the point of sponsors to professional sports or gaming. The sponsors job is to pay players and / or teams and help them excell. The players bring in viewers becuase people are there to watch a competition. These viewers then go out and buy the product that the sponsor advertises. Sponsors are not supposed to draw in people. No one watches the Super Bowl because Coca Cola advertises during it. They watch it because of the teams competing. So yeah, a company can scare people away from an event. But it will not draw people into it. If you spent half the time you do prosecuting people with sarky comments by reading your own posts then you could find very obvious answers for your questions. "What does it bring to the table?" Money. You are already wrong. The sponsors job is to make an intelligent investment and get a RETURN on that investment.. Yeah that's actually exactly what he said. Sponsor supports player --> Player does well --> Player's viewers support sponsor. That sounds like an investment to me. Players doing well is only a fraction of what gets a sponsor a return on that investment. Sponsors are not paying people to excell, they are paying them to help sell their license. HUGE difference. Easy example, Idra has been playing like shit lately, but he helps promote his brand more so than someone like "socke" does by winning some small tournament Both me and Jerglings have in our post outlined the exact process of how a sponsor makes money. I suggest you being a fucking douchebag and ignoring VERY CLEAR explanations and then follow up by trying to ridicule us by deconstructing and misquoting. Either way I'm done arguing with you. Several times you have commented on my and others posts without fully reading them. Misquoting and taking stuff out of context. You have made some of the poorest arguments I've ever seen on TL and that says a lot. My only regret is that I wasted close to 2 hours in this thread when all you do is attack people constantly. I really hope you find some other outlet of your need for personal vendettas so that you can stop plaguing people trying to have a serious discussion. Have a nice evening.
I've misquoted nothing, read everything before responding, and articulated my points as well as I'm going to do. Meanwhile you're the one calling people "fucking douchebags" and talking down to us as if our opinions on the matter make us 'unworthy' of talking to you. It's laughable to think you are trying to have a 'serious' conversation after calling us all bigots and ignorants.
It's all to obvious that you are incapable of having a 'serious' conversation without getting so emotionally invested that in the end you just resort to petty insults and lashing out at anyone you disagree with. So I'm done talking to you.
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No, just no. Anyone who thinks otherwise is pretty naive.
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On April 04 2012 07:03 Doodsmack wrote:
I used to think TL was a relatively intelligent internet community. Then I read a thread where people advocated for a rape simulation porn site to be an acceptable sponsor of teams. I mean I know you want your internet arguments to get attention and all, but you people should think a little more before you post. If you really think that a Brazzers sponsorship wouldn't turn away other sponsors, you simply aren't smart.
Not that Brazzers is actually going to sponsor any SC2 team or player, of course. That's just a possibility the OP threw out there for his thread to get more attention. I'm not actually sure why this is in the SC2 section.
It was probably thrown in this section to garner more attention. That and almost everyone involved in professional gaming has had something to say about this.
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On April 04 2012 07:01 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 06:53 Megabuster123 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:41 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:37 Megabuster123 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:34 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:28 careohx wrote:
So disgusted of hypocrisy. Whats the big deal with porn? Why is it dirty? We all watch that shit its natural. Better than have people go around raping each other. Yea , so lets just put it everywhere right? How is it hypcritical to want it kept seperate from the streams i tune in to watch a video game tournament for? And wtf does rape even have to do with anything? You are so off the wall with w/e point you are trying to make. It's not like they're going to put actual porn up during tournaments... It's just advertising...>_> It's tasteless. How is it tasteless? If Brazzers wants to give money to an esports community, I say let them. Money is money. And they will need to put up a ton of money because when they start to sponsor events, every other sponsor is going to drop their sponsorship
But why would they? I don't understand what's wrong with the vast majority of people that have a problem with this...
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On April 04 2012 06:38 JackDT wrote:
What do you think the chances of Starcraft ever breaking 1% female participation will be with sponsorships like this.
girls watch porn too, dont worry.
On April 04 2012 07:07 dekarp wrote:
No, just no. Anyone who thinks otherwise is pretty naive.
ah ha, thanks to your well argued point i now see the error of my ways!
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There's three sides to this issue:
1) The demonization of porn is a joke. It's been said a million times in this thread, so I won't spend long on it, but nobody has that one uncle who watches too much porn and beats his wife. Sex, porn, drugs and cigarettes being untouchable by mainstream media or culture while violence and alcohol remain as American as apple pie is a joke. If Dale Earnhardt's car can have BUDWEISER in massive letters, LI Joe should be able to have BRAZZERS on his shirt.
2) However, we do, in fact, live in a world where alcohol and porn are viewed differently. The greater ethics issue of it isn't that relevant here. Corporate sponsors do not want to be associated with porn, nor should they want to be, as many members of the public have moronic views on it being evil. I understand this. So, in this case, Starcraft 2 should not have porn sponsorships. Companies like FXOpen, Monster and Intel are very real sponsors that simply cannot associate with porn in today's world.
3) But fighting games aren't Starcraft. Jason Lake has a unique viewpoint here, as he's really one of two men in positions of power in eSports who have put faith in fighting games. However, other than the 8 players sponsored by either CompLexity Cross Counter or Evil Geniuses (not including gootecks :_(, also, I guess Razer sponsors Latif ) nothing is really sponsored by anything outside of fighting games. Tournaments are sponsored by stick companies (Hori or Mad Catz) and the companies that make the games. Most teams (other than EG or coL.CC) are either sponsored by Mad Catz or lack major sponsorship entirely.
To me, this is a message to those blocking fighting games from adapting to become a part of the "eSports world" and getting dat eSports money. This is LI Joe saying to everyone who is preventing MLG from becoming a part of the fighting game world *cough* Tom Cannon *cough* "If you're going to stop me from getting my money through prize winnings, I'll get it myself."
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On April 04 2012 07:06 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 07:01 StarBrift wrote:On April 04 2012 06:53 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:50 Jerglings wrote:On April 04 2012 06:47 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:44 StarBrift wrote:On April 04 2012 06:29 Leth0 wrote:
Here's a question for all you champions that think a video game tournament is the perfect place for porn site to cross promote. What does it bring to the table?.....What audience is being drawn in due to the presence of brazzers?, Now compare that to what could be lost.
Answer that question and you will understand why this is a bad idea. I don't think you understand the point of sponsors to professional sports or gaming. The sponsors job is to pay players and / or teams and help them excell. The players bring in viewers becuase people are there to watch a competition. These viewers then go out and buy the product that the sponsor advertises. Sponsors are not supposed to draw in people. No one watches the Super Bowl because Coca Cola advertises during it. They watch it because of the teams competing. So yeah, a company can scare people away from an event. But it will not draw people into it. If you spent half the time you do prosecuting people with sarky comments by reading your own posts then you could find very obvious answers for your questions. "What does it bring to the table?" Money. You are already wrong. The sponsors job is to make an intelligent investment and get a RETURN on that investment.. Yeah that's actually exactly what he said. Sponsor supports player --> Player does well --> Player's viewers support sponsor. That sounds like an investment to me. Players doing well is only a fraction of what gets a sponsor a return on that investment. Sponsors are not paying people to excell, they are paying them to help sell their license. HUGE difference. Easy example, Idra has been playing like shit lately, but he helps promote his brand more so than someone like "socke" does by winning some small tournament Both me and Jerglings have in our post outlined the exact process of how a sponsor makes money. I suggest you being a fucking douchebag and ignoring VERY CLEAR explanations and then follow up by trying to ridicule us by deconstructing and misquoting. Either way I'm done arguing with you. Several times you have commented on my and others posts without fully reading them. Misquoting and taking stuff out of context. You have made some of the poorest arguments I've ever seen on TL and that says a lot. My only regret is that I wasted close to 2 hours in this thread when all you do is attack people constantly. I really hope you find some other outlet of your need for personal vendettas so that you can stop plaguing people trying to have a serious discussion. Have a nice evening. I've misquoted nothing, read everything before responding, and articulated my points as well as I'm going to do. Meanwhile you're the one calling people "fucking douchebags" and talking down to us as if our opinions on the matter make us 'unworthy' of talking to you. It's laughable to think you are trying to have a 'serious' conversation after calling us all bigots and ignorants. It's all to obvious that you are incapable of having a 'serious' conversation without getting so emotionally invested that in the end you just resort to petty insults and lashing out at anyone you disagree with. So I'm done talking to you.
Weren't you being Mr. Macho man earlier saying people need to go outside and find a girl?
On April 04 2012 03:12 Leth0 wrote:
If you are so hard up that you need porn at video game tournaments than you need to go outside and find a woman.
I'd say you're talking down to a few people.
Edit: Also done with this thread, it's been somewhat of a nightmare with the arguments going on.
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On April 04 2012 07:12 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 07:01 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 04 2012 06:53 Megabuster123 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:41 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:37 Megabuster123 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:34 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:28 careohx wrote:
So disgusted of hypocrisy. Whats the big deal with porn? Why is it dirty? We all watch that shit its natural. Better than have people go around raping each other. Yea , so lets just put it everywhere right? How is it hypcritical to want it kept seperate from the streams i tune in to watch a video game tournament for? And wtf does rape even have to do with anything? You are so off the wall with w/e point you are trying to make. It's not like they're going to put actual porn up during tournaments... It's just advertising...>_> It's tasteless. How is it tasteless? If Brazzers wants to give money to an esports community, I say let them. Money is money. And they will need to put up a ton of money because when they start to sponsor events, every other sponsor is going to drop their sponsorship But why would they? I don't understand what's wrong with the vast majority of people that have a problem with this...
Associating your company with porn is a big no no. Do you really not know this?
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for fgc it wouldnt hurt i think since the community isnt so serious about things as sc2
and honestly i think having genuine support is way better than havin ppl who dont care too much trow some scraps at u for brand placement... it may be too early for this... but the idea is solid.. maybe just a bit too early for some ppl to accept.. but then again lets face it... if porn industry would support anything then gaming is it... the crowd just fits... there may be some legal issues... but then its a problem with the law couse honestly almost everyone have watched porn @ 16 + and that even isnt a big deal. but hey,...theres lots of things wrong in the world
both industries are sort of underground... no matter how big it will get it may take a while for the general public to fully accept it and theres no real reason why both couldnt make each other stronger. and if it takes of i can allready envision some off the hook events in the future ... for fgc anyway
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On April 04 2012 06:58 Treva wrote:
People seem to be ignoring how people outside of our little esports bubble would see this. Whether or not your moral compass would accept this isn't the issue, it's the issue of people on the outside. No one should care about if we accept it or not because most of us would still watch WhiteRa play even if he was sponsored by an abortion clinic.
However, the problem with this comes up when you want other companies to sponsor teams and even if you think it's stupid it's not going to change the fact that companies will probably see it as more of a loss than a gain if they sponsor a team with a porn industry label next to theirs. You can call it bad business or stupid or whatever the hell you want but at the end of the day it IS business and I can guarantee the businesses with money are the businesses with a PR division and almost all, if not all, of them will not be too thrilled to slap their logo/brand/name on a product or website next to a porn company's logo.
It's easier for little Billy to explain to his parents who the companies are and what services/products they provide that have banners and tents at MLG when they aren't porn companies. Imagine an MLG with a Brazzers booth giving out free trial memberships and condoms. People can say "LOL THAT'S SO FUNNY" all they want but the people who have money, reputations and stock holders won't be there yucking it up and giving high fives with you.
A fairly thoughtful post ruined by the hatred of women evidenced by the slur "abortion clinic".
What you mean is a reproductive health establishment like Planned Parenthood? If White-Ra was sponsored by PP he would not only get money but also gain significant audience just be being supported by a truly great establishment like PP.
Ofcourse PP gains nothing from the sponsorship since the demographics don't match. Brazzers might profit because I imagine the demographics are spot on.
But porn is no worse than a tobacco company or an alcohol company sponsoring an event. I regularly watch F1 which is sponsored by tobacco companies. I don't sit and think "oh shit man, Scuderia Marlboro Ferrari is getting millions from Marlboro - I should stop supporting them". I watched the Johnny Walker PGA tour and I didn't think "alcoholism ruins life, and look how many car accidents because of the alcohol". Sponsors don't define the event, the event actually defines the sponsors. It might be bad for a nascent industry like e-sport, but realistically a sponsorship from brazzers is no worse than a sponsorship from Marlboro or Johnny Walker for an established sport.
Also I think Brazzers needs more brand recognition in the target demo. I had to google them.
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On April 04 2012 07:16 Phobbers wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 07:06 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 07:01 StarBrift wrote:On April 04 2012 06:53 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:50 Jerglings wrote:On April 04 2012 06:47 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:44 StarBrift wrote:On April 04 2012 06:29 Leth0 wrote:
Here's a question for all you champions that think a video game tournament is the perfect place for porn site to cross promote. What does it bring to the table?.....What audience is being drawn in due to the presence of brazzers?, Now compare that to what could be lost.
Answer that question and you will understand why this is a bad idea. I don't think you understand the point of sponsors to professional sports or gaming. The sponsors job is to pay players and / or teams and help them excell. The players bring in viewers becuase people are there to watch a competition. These viewers then go out and buy the product that the sponsor advertises. Sponsors are not supposed to draw in people. No one watches the Super Bowl because Coca Cola advertises during it. They watch it because of the teams competing. So yeah, a company can scare people away from an event. But it will not draw people into it. If you spent half the time you do prosecuting people with sarky comments by reading your own posts then you could find very obvious answers for your questions. "What does it bring to the table?" Money. You are already wrong. The sponsors job is to make an intelligent investment and get a RETURN on that investment.. Yeah that's actually exactly what he said. Sponsor supports player --> Player does well --> Player's viewers support sponsor. That sounds like an investment to me. Players doing well is only a fraction of what gets a sponsor a return on that investment. Sponsors are not paying people to excell, they are paying them to help sell their license. HUGE difference. Easy example, Idra has been playing like shit lately, but he helps promote his brand more so than someone like "socke" does by winning some small tournament Both me and Jerglings have in our post outlined the exact process of how a sponsor makes money. I suggest you being a fucking douchebag and ignoring VERY CLEAR explanations and then follow up by trying to ridicule us by deconstructing and misquoting. Either way I'm done arguing with you. Several times you have commented on my and others posts without fully reading them. Misquoting and taking stuff out of context. You have made some of the poorest arguments I've ever seen on TL and that says a lot. My only regret is that I wasted close to 2 hours in this thread when all you do is attack people constantly. I really hope you find some other outlet of your need for personal vendettas so that you can stop plaguing people trying to have a serious discussion. Have a nice evening. I've misquoted nothing, read everything before responding, and articulated my points as well as I'm going to do. Meanwhile you're the one calling people "fucking douchebags" and talking down to us as if our opinions on the matter make us 'unworthy' of talking to you. It's laughable to think you are trying to have a 'serious' conversation after calling us all bigots and ignorants. It's all to obvious that you are incapable of having a 'serious' conversation without getting so emotionally invested that in the end you just resort to petty insults and lashing out at anyone you disagree with. So I'm done talking to you. Weren't you being Mr. Macho man earlier saying people need to go outside and find a girl? Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 03:12 Leth0 wrote:
If you are so hard up that you need porn at video game tournaments than you need to go outside and find a woman. I'd say you're talking down to a few people. Edit: Also done with this thread, it's been somewhat of a nightmare with the arguments going on.
How is that macho? I stand by that statement. That's not talking down to anyone, I didn't point someone out and say "you need to go find a woman" I said what I said and I meant it. If you are so hard up that porn sponsors for a video game tournament entices you than you probably should find a woman.
Like it should be known, a sponsor, will sponsor something, or someone in order to help promote their brand, license or w/e it is they do. It doesn't make sense for this scene.
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awwwww yeeeaaaaaaaa they should put teamliquid or some big esport site on their site so everytime someone watches porn they'll see the "team liquid" logo and just might click n get addicted to something much sexier than porn
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On April 04 2012 07:19 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 07:12 Megabuster123 wrote:On April 04 2012 07:01 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 04 2012 06:53 Megabuster123 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:41 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:37 Megabuster123 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:34 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:28 careohx wrote:
So disgusted of hypocrisy. Whats the big deal with porn? Why is it dirty? We all watch that shit its natural. Better than have people go around raping each other. Yea , so lets just put it everywhere right? How is it hypcritical to want it kept seperate from the streams i tune in to watch a video game tournament for? And wtf does rape even have to do with anything? You are so off the wall with w/e point you are trying to make. It's not like they're going to put actual porn up during tournaments... It's just advertising...>_> It's tasteless. How is it tasteless? If Brazzers wants to give money to an esports community, I say let them. Money is money. And they will need to put up a ton of money because when they start to sponsor events, every other sponsor is going to drop their sponsorship But why would they? I don't understand what's wrong with the vast majority of people that have a problem with this... Associating your company with porn is a big no no. Do you really not know this?
Who's company? What companies are invested in the FGC?
And secondly, why?
The fact that people have an aversion to porn is so ridiculous considering how incredibly successful the industry is. Most likely being paid in part by the very people who talk it down.
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On April 04 2012 01:18 emc wrote:
not a big deal if the game is rated M because you have to be 18 to play the game and porn is legally only for 18+. I think the issue comes in when a game is rated T because not all the players are legal. I don't know the specifics but I'd argue that would be a reason why this would be controversial. Anyways, the more money in any esports scene the better.
I think this is the main issue here most people have with Brazzers trying to become a sponsor. Of course it could benefit both industries tremendously (Sponsorship for E-Sports and advertisement for... porn...) but the main problem I have with this is that the E-Sports is not a industry that is 18+. We even have underage progamers. It's like saying "Porn is something that is okay to be nondiscrete about in front of teens and below who play SCII" (not saying this is a good or bad thing). It's just something to consider when putting things into perspective.
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Normal sponsorship rules don't apply here, I don't understand why people think Brazzers is sponsoring it to get a return on their investment. I really doubt they are all that tight with their money, and from what was said in the interview, they make a LOT of money. I think its more because some of them are gamers than anything else.
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On April 04 2012 07:23 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 07:16 Phobbers wrote:On April 04 2012 07:06 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 07:01 StarBrift wrote:On April 04 2012 06:53 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:50 Jerglings wrote:On April 04 2012 06:47 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:44 StarBrift wrote:On April 04 2012 06:29 Leth0 wrote:
Here's a question for all you champions that think a video game tournament is the perfect place for porn site to cross promote. What does it bring to the table?.....What audience is being drawn in due to the presence of brazzers?, Now compare that to what could be lost.
Answer that question and you will understand why this is a bad idea. I don't think you understand the point of sponsors to professional sports or gaming. The sponsors job is to pay players and / or teams and help them excell. The players bring in viewers becuase people are there to watch a competition. These viewers then go out and buy the product that the sponsor advertises. Sponsors are not supposed to draw in people. No one watches the Super Bowl because Coca Cola advertises during it. They watch it because of the teams competing. So yeah, a company can scare people away from an event. But it will not draw people into it. If you spent half the time you do prosecuting people with sarky comments by reading your own posts then you could find very obvious answers for your questions. "What does it bring to the table?" Money. You are already wrong. The sponsors job is to make an intelligent investment and get a RETURN on that investment.. Yeah that's actually exactly what he said. Sponsor supports player --> Player does well --> Player's viewers support sponsor. That sounds like an investment to me. Players doing well is only a fraction of what gets a sponsor a return on that investment. Sponsors are not paying people to excell, they are paying them to help sell their license. HUGE difference. Easy example, Idra has been playing like shit lately, but he helps promote his brand more so than someone like "socke" does by winning some small tournament Both me and Jerglings have in our post outlined the exact process of how a sponsor makes money. I suggest you being a fucking douchebag and ignoring VERY CLEAR explanations and then follow up by trying to ridicule us by deconstructing and misquoting. Either way I'm done arguing with you. Several times you have commented on my and others posts without fully reading them. Misquoting and taking stuff out of context. You have made some of the poorest arguments I've ever seen on TL and that says a lot. My only regret is that I wasted close to 2 hours in this thread when all you do is attack people constantly. I really hope you find some other outlet of your need for personal vendettas so that you can stop plaguing people trying to have a serious discussion. Have a nice evening. I've misquoted nothing, read everything before responding, and articulated my points as well as I'm going to do. Meanwhile you're the one calling people "fucking douchebags" and talking down to us as if our opinions on the matter make us 'unworthy' of talking to you. It's laughable to think you are trying to have a 'serious' conversation after calling us all bigots and ignorants. It's all to obvious that you are incapable of having a 'serious' conversation without getting so emotionally invested that in the end you just resort to petty insults and lashing out at anyone you disagree with. So I'm done talking to you. Weren't you being Mr. Macho man earlier saying people need to go outside and find a girl? On April 04 2012 03:12 Leth0 wrote:
If you are so hard up that you need porn at video game tournaments than you need to go outside and find a woman. I'd say you're talking down to a few people. Edit: Also done with this thread, it's been somewhat of a nightmare with the arguments going on. How is that macho? I stand by that statement. That's not talking down to anyone, I didn't point someone out and say "you need to go find a woman" I said what I said and I meant it . If you are so hard up that porn sponsors for a video game tournament entices you than you probably should find a woman.Like it should be known, a sponsor, will sponsor something, or someone in order to help promote their brand, license or w/e it is they do. It doesn't make sense for this scene.
Your logic is painful.
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On April 04 2012 01:35 Kralic wrote:
Well Brazzers is known in the porn industry, in the end it is just a brand name though. If they want to throw money into esports to sponsor teams, why would it be a problem it is not like they are going to be having porn stars nude on stage acting out a scene or anything like that, they might have pornstars as booth babes at live events advertising their company, which is no different from any other company using booth babes as advertisement.
It's a little bit different from any other company using booth babes as advertisement.
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If a porn company would start to advertise in E-Sports pretty much every other sponsor and investor would take their money and disappear from it. If you do not understand this simple truth you are living in a fantasy world with no correlation to the real one.
Personal opinion have no weight here, all big name sponsors we have today will be gone if porn companies get a foot hold in advertising in e-sports. Simple fact like it or not.
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On April 04 2012 07:31 Apollo_Shards wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 07:23 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 07:16 Phobbers wrote:On April 04 2012 07:06 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 07:01 StarBrift wrote:On April 04 2012 06:53 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:50 Jerglings wrote:On April 04 2012 06:47 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:44 StarBrift wrote:On April 04 2012 06:29 Leth0 wrote:
Here's a question for all you champions that think a video game tournament is the perfect place for porn site to cross promote. What does it bring to the table?.....What audience is being drawn in due to the presence of brazzers?, Now compare that to what could be lost.
Answer that question and you will understand why this is a bad idea. I don't think you understand the point of sponsors to professional sports or gaming. The sponsors job is to pay players and / or teams and help them excell. The players bring in viewers becuase people are there to watch a competition. These viewers then go out and buy the product that the sponsor advertises. Sponsors are not supposed to draw in people. No one watches the Super Bowl because Coca Cola advertises during it. They watch it because of the teams competing. So yeah, a company can scare people away from an event. But it will not draw people into it. If you spent half the time you do prosecuting people with sarky comments by reading your own posts then you could find very obvious answers for your questions. "What does it bring to the table?" Money. You are already wrong. The sponsors job is to make an intelligent investment and get a RETURN on that investment.. Yeah that's actually exactly what he said. Sponsor supports player --> Player does well --> Player's viewers support sponsor. That sounds like an investment to me. Players doing well is only a fraction of what gets a sponsor a return on that investment. Sponsors are not paying people to excell, they are paying them to help sell their license. HUGE difference. Easy example, Idra has been playing like shit lately, but he helps promote his brand more so than someone like "socke" does by winning some small tournament Both me and Jerglings have in our post outlined the exact process of how a sponsor makes money. I suggest you being a fucking douchebag and ignoring VERY CLEAR explanations and then follow up by trying to ridicule us by deconstructing and misquoting. Either way I'm done arguing with you. Several times you have commented on my and others posts without fully reading them. Misquoting and taking stuff out of context. You have made some of the poorest arguments I've ever seen on TL and that says a lot. My only regret is that I wasted close to 2 hours in this thread when all you do is attack people constantly. I really hope you find some other outlet of your need for personal vendettas so that you can stop plaguing people trying to have a serious discussion. Have a nice evening. I've misquoted nothing, read everything before responding, and articulated my points as well as I'm going to do. Meanwhile you're the one calling people "fucking douchebags" and talking down to us as if our opinions on the matter make us 'unworthy' of talking to you. It's laughable to think you are trying to have a 'serious' conversation after calling us all bigots and ignorants. It's all to obvious that you are incapable of having a 'serious' conversation without getting so emotionally invested that in the end you just resort to petty insults and lashing out at anyone you disagree with. So I'm done talking to you. Weren't you being Mr. Macho man earlier saying people need to go outside and find a girl? On April 04 2012 03:12 Leth0 wrote:
If you are so hard up that you need porn at video game tournaments than you need to go outside and find a woman. I'd say you're talking down to a few people. Edit: Also done with this thread, it's been somewhat of a nightmare with the arguments going on. How is that macho? I stand by that statement. That's not talking down to anyone, I didn't point someone out and say "you need to go find a woman" I said what I said and I meant it . If you are so hard up that porn sponsors for a video game tournament entices you than you probably should find a woman.Like it should be known, a sponsor, will sponsor something, or someone in order to help promote their brand, license or w/e it is they do. It doesn't make sense for this scene. Your logic is painful.
The english word "You" can be used in general without referring to a specific person.
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