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isleyofthenorth
Austria894 Posts
On April 04 2012 06:04 Petrone wrote: Just imagine Day9 and djWheat promote Brazzers in between games at MLG, haha awkward ;D awkward with djWheat: no. with Day9: oohhhh yes | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On April 04 2012 05:45 Ansinjunger wrote: Porn is a walking death machine, it only ruins lives. I know from experience. It does not provide lasting happiness or fulfillment. It wastes money and shames individuals. Keep it out of esports, out of everywhere. It's a symptom and a contributor to laziness and lack of self discipline. There is no good at all to come of it. Breaking news: oral sex leads to increased risk of HPV. Seriously though, no one in their right mind should want their spouse or bf/gf to watch porn. You should not be "enough," you should be their everything. Terribly conservative and traditional these views may be, but I only intent to teach others to avoid the misery that always comes after. Porn is the worst drug. Peer-reviewed evidence for this? | ||
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
On April 04 2012 05:45 Ansinjunger wrote: Porn is a walking death machine, it only ruins lives. I know from experience. It does not provide lasting happiness or fulfillment. It wastes money and shames individuals. Keep it out of esports, out of everywhere. It's a symptom and a contributor to laziness and lack of self discipline. There is no good at all to come of it. Breaking news: oral sex leads to increased risk of HPV. Seriously though, no one in their right mind should want their spouse or bf/gf to watch porn. You should not be "enough," you should be their everything. Terribly conservative and traditional these views may be, but I only intent to teach others to avoid the misery that always comes after. Porn is the worst drug. I think you're wrong. Your personal experience is basically meaningless when it's contrasted with the rest of human civilization being basically ok despite porn...>_> | ||
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careohx
263 Posts
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Jamaica921 Posts
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Leth0
856 Posts
Answer that question and you will understand why this is a bad idea. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Brazzers having a team and competing. Sucks to be in that team but I guess that is ok. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
On April 04 2012 06:12 JackDT wrote: I'm not familiar with the FGC -- he's on the 'esport' side? Then I really don't get what he's doing. The FGC just got a huge amount negative press after that female competitor quit early from the Capcom livestream because she was so uncomfortable with the sexual harassment, and then the behavior was defended over and over again an 'essential element' of the community. How in the world does he think THIS is a good idea unless he wants to kill the potential for fighting games to expand their audience? From Fishtix, showing the other side of the FGC: The backstory is basically this. LI Joe and another oldschool player/commentator DrSubzero was joking around about a Brazzers sponsorship on their respective streams after some dude made the joke in the stream chat. It then became a running joke / meme in FGC stream chats. Then one day people started tweeting at robsteele with this meme like behaviour. BRZ-LI-Joe was spammed all over twitter for a few days. So Rob Steele saw this and was like "who the hell are these guys spamming me on twitter?". Some time later he contacts LI Joe and Joe shows him some hype videos and some other highlights from the FGC. Then yesterday Joe has Rob on his show and Rob announces he wants to set up a team and a tournament. He is suprisingly exited about the whole thing. It caught everyone by surprise. 2 hours later Kotaku had made an article with pictures of pornstarts and FGC people in it saying that the FGC was going to get sponsored by a porn website. This is before any of the details are fleshed out mind you. Also Tom Cannon of EVO and Jebailey of CEO has allready said that they wont allow Brazzers logos on their stream etc. I believe Capcom has gone out and said they wont allow the event either. So yeah it's not going to happen most likely. If Joe can't attend EVO there's not much point in a sponsorship anyway. As for why Joe would do this. He doesn't know much about marketing and the esports industry in general. He believes there is nothing wrong with Brazzers sponsoring him (as do I) so he went for it. He will probably decline now that capcom + most of the tournament organisers are standing firmly against this though. | ||
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Leth0
856 Posts
On April 04 2012 06:28 careohx wrote: So disgusted of hypocrisy. Whats the big deal with porn? Why is it dirty? We all watch that shit its natural. Better than have people go around raping each other. Yea , so lets just put it everywhere right? How is it hypcritical to want it kept seperate from the streams i tune in to watch a video game tournament for? And wtf does rape even have to do with anything? You are so off the wall with w/e point you are trying to make. | ||
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Phobbers
773 Posts
On April 04 2012 06:29 Leth0 wrote: Here's a question for all you champions that think a video game tournament is the perfect place for porn site to cross promote. What does it bring to the table?.....What audience is being drawn in due to the presence of brazzers?, Now compare that to what could be lost. Answer that question and you will understand why this is a bad idea. Keywords in your post "what could be lost" and to single in on one word "could". Yeah porn probably/most likely doesn't have a place in SC2/E-sports in general, but who knows? LI Joe is taking a gamble and is pushing for it to work out. A lot of things could go wrong, but at the same time a lot of things could go right. We're just going to have to see how this ends up working in the FGC and go from there. Odds are, it's most likely going to fail horribly, mainly with what you've stated. There is just too much to lose for the gamble one must take going through with a sponsor like Brazzers. | ||
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
On April 04 2012 06:28 Megabuster123 wrote: I think you're wrong. Your personal experience is basically meaningless when it's contrasted with the rest of human civilization being basically ok despite porn...>_> He's most definitely wrong, anytime someone starts discussing "the worst drug" you know logic and good sense has gone out the window in favor of an infatuation with anecdotal experience. Sure, a compulsive masterbater who loses his job, friends and family is a sad tale, but so is a dude sitting in a hospital, unable to control his bodily functions due to years of injecting meth. While we're at it, lets openly lament the state of obesity in the US, a 600 pound man unable to do anything for himself is pretty damn sad. Guess MLG needs to take another look at that Dr. Pepper sponsorship. (For the record, I don't think this is a good idea in American markets. I'll bet the European scene would be fine with it, but pornography sponsorship would get swept up by the neocon blowhards here in the States and we all saw how companies like Home Depot responded to that kind of pressure.) | ||
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
On April 04 2012 06:34 Leth0 wrote: Yea , so lets just put it everywhere right? How is it hypcritical to want it kept seperate from the streams i tune in to watch a video game tournament for? And wtf does rape even have to do with anything? You are so off the wall with w/e point you are trying to make. It's not like they're going to put actual porn up during tournaments... It's just advertising...>_> | ||
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JackDT
724 Posts
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PrimeTimey
Canada369 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On April 04 2012 06:35 Phobbers wrote: Keywords in your post "what could be lost" and to single in on one word "could". Yeah porn probably/most likely doesn't have a place in SC2/E-sports in general, but who knows? LI Joe is taking a gamble and is pushing for it to work out. A lot of things could go wrong, but at the same time a lot of things could go right. We're just going to have to see how this ends up working in the FGC and go from there. Odds are, it's most likely going to fail horribly, mainly with what you've stated. There is just too much to lose for the gamble one must take going through with a sponsor like Brazzers. the thing is, its not could, its would. Companies don't like to be associated with the porn industry, this is a fact. Sponsorships would definitely be lost. Thats why EVO has already come out and said they will not allow anything Brazzers to be shown at the event. Thats why jlake has said the same thing I'm posting. There is no "could go right" here. | ||
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Leth0
856 Posts
On April 04 2012 06:35 Phobbers wrote: Keywords in your post "what could be lost" and to single in on one word "could". Yeah porn probably/most likely doesn't have a place in SC2/E-sports in general, but who knows? LI Joe is taking a gamble and is pushing for it to work out. A lot of things could go wrong, but at the same time a lot of things could go right. We're just going to have to see how this ends up working in the FGC and go from there. Odds are, it's most likely going to fail horribly, mainly with what you've stated. There is just too much to lose for the gamble one must take going through with a sponsor like Brazzers. Sorry , I should of said what 'would' be lost, because its not a chance. | ||
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Iranon
United States983 Posts
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Leth0
856 Posts
On April 04 2012 06:37 Megabuster123 wrote: It's not like they're going to put actual porn up during tournaments... It's just advertising...>_> It's tasteless. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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EnderSword
Canada669 Posts
On April 04 2012 06:38 JackDT wrote: What do you think the chances of Starcraft ever breaking 1% female participation will be with sponsorships like this. Would likely increase it. Or are we under the impression our potential audience is religious girls from 1870? I've got to think that this would be a poisonous sponsor to other sponsors though. I mean, you don't see Brazzers advertize on Spike TV or something either...its pretty common for things like that not to even be allowed to advertize in a lot of places. Their money isn't worth the potential contamination of other business. | ||
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