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On April 04 2012 05:45 Ansinjunger wrote:
Porn is a walking death machine, it only ruins lives. I know from experience. It does not provide lasting happiness or fulfillment. It wastes money and shames individuals.
Keep it out of esports, out of everywhere. It's a symptom and a contributor to laziness and lack of self discipline. There is no good at all to come of it.
Breaking news: oral sex leads to increased risk of HPV.
Seriously though, no one in their right mind should want their spouse or bf/gf to watch porn. You should not be "enough," you should be their everything.
Terribly conservative and traditional these views may be, but I only intent to teach others to avoid the misery that always comes after. Porn is the worst drug.
Just because you coudnt stop jerking off doesnt mean others arent able to control themselves. If porn really was this bad then you would notice it. It would be a super controlled media and most likely illegal. Masturbating is healthy, but not if you are addicted to it. Addiction to anything can bad.
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On April 04 2012 06:29 Leth0 wrote:
Here's a question for all you champions that think a video game tournament is the perfect place for porn site to cross promote. What does it bring to the table?.....What audience is being drawn in due to the presence of brazzers?, Now compare that to what could be lost.
Answer that question and you will understand why this is a bad idea.
I don't think you understand the point of sponsors to professional sports or gaming. The sponsors job is to pay players and / or teams and help them excell. The players bring in viewers becuase people are there to watch a competition. These viewers then go out and buy the product that the sponsor advertises.
Sponsors are not supposed to draw in people. No one watches the Super Bowl because Coca Cola advertises during it. They watch it because of the teams competing. So yeah, a company can scare people away from an event. But it will not draw people into it.
If you spent half the time you do prosecuting people with sarky comments by reading your own posts then you could find very obvious answers for your questions. "What does it bring to the table?" Money.
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On April 04 2012 06:42 Corsica wrote:
Slayers_RonJeremy
You just won the thread sir.
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Alcohol ruins more lives in a year than Porn has ever "ruined" in its entire existence, so if it is acceptable (even encouraged) for major sports organizations like the MLB and NFL to run back-to-back beer commercials then it should be fine for eSports to have porn sponsorship.
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On April 04 2012 06:44 StarBrift wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 06:29 Leth0 wrote:
Here's a question for all you champions that think a video game tournament is the perfect place for porn site to cross promote. What does it bring to the table?.....What audience is being drawn in due to the presence of brazzers?, Now compare that to what could be lost.
Answer that question and you will understand why this is a bad idea. I don't think you understand the point of sponsors to professional sports or gaming. The sponsors job is to pay players and / or teams and help them excell. The players bring in viewers becuase people are there to watch a competition. These viewers then go out and buy the product that the sponsor advertises. Sponsors are not supposed to draw in people. No one watches the Super Bowl because Coca Cola advertises during it. They watch it because of the teams competing. So yeah, a company can scare people away from an event. But it will not draw people into it. If you spent half the time you do prosecuting people with sarky comments by reading your own posts then you could find very obvious answers for your questions. "What does it bring to the table?" Money.
Stop using rational, logical thinking! You're killing e-Deportes! PORN LITERALLY KILLS PEOPLE!!
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On April 04 2012 06:44 StarBrift wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 06:29 Leth0 wrote:
Here's a question for all you champions that think a video game tournament is the perfect place for porn site to cross promote. What does it bring to the table?.....What audience is being drawn in due to the presence of brazzers?, Now compare that to what could be lost.
Answer that question and you will understand why this is a bad idea. I don't think you understand the point of sponsors to professional sports or gaming. The sponsors job is to pay players and / or teams and help them excell. The players bring in viewers becuase people are there to watch a competition. These viewers then go out and buy the product that the sponsor advertises. Sponsors are not supposed to draw in people. No one watches the Super Bowl because Coca Cola advertises during it. They watch it because of the teams competing. So yeah, a company can scare people away from an event. But it will not draw people into it. If you spent half the time you do prosecuting people with sarky comments by reading your own posts then you could find very obvious answers for your questions. "What does it bring to the table?" Money.
You are already wrong. The sponsors job is to make an intelligent investment and get a RETURN on that investment.
What does it bring to the table "money", oh but wait, by virture of it being there, even more money is being taken off the table. It's not snarky, its realistic.
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On April 04 2012 06:47 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 06:44 StarBrift wrote:On April 04 2012 06:29 Leth0 wrote:
Here's a question for all you champions that think a video game tournament is the perfect place for porn site to cross promote. What does it bring to the table?.....What audience is being drawn in due to the presence of brazzers?, Now compare that to what could be lost.
Answer that question and you will understand why this is a bad idea. I don't think you understand the point of sponsors to professional sports or gaming. The sponsors job is to pay players and / or teams and help them excell. The players bring in viewers becuase people are there to watch a competition. These viewers then go out and buy the product that the sponsor advertises. Sponsors are not supposed to draw in people. No one watches the Super Bowl because Coca Cola advertises during it. They watch it because of the teams competing. So yeah, a company can scare people away from an event. But it will not draw people into it. If you spent half the time you do prosecuting people with sarky comments by reading your own posts then you could find very obvious answers for your questions. "What does it bring to the table?" Money. You are already wrong. The sponsors job is to make an intelligent investment and get a RETURN on that investment..
Yeah that's actually exactly what he said.
Sponsor supports player --> Player does well --> Player's viewers support sponsor.
That sounds like an investment to me.
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On April 04 2012 06:50 Jerglings wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 06:47 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:44 StarBrift wrote:On April 04 2012 06:29 Leth0 wrote:
Here's a question for all you champions that think a video game tournament is the perfect place for porn site to cross promote. What does it bring to the table?.....What audience is being drawn in due to the presence of brazzers?, Now compare that to what could be lost.
Answer that question and you will understand why this is a bad idea. I don't think you understand the point of sponsors to professional sports or gaming. The sponsors job is to pay players and / or teams and help them excell. The players bring in viewers becuase people are there to watch a competition. These viewers then go out and buy the product that the sponsor advertises. Sponsors are not supposed to draw in people. No one watches the Super Bowl because Coca Cola advertises during it. They watch it because of the teams competing. So yeah, a company can scare people away from an event. But it will not draw people into it. If you spent half the time you do prosecuting people with sarky comments by reading your own posts then you could find very obvious answers for your questions. "What does it bring to the table?" Money. You are already wrong. The sponsors job is to make an intelligent investment and get a RETURN on that investment.. Yeah that's actually exactly what he said. Sponsor supports player --> Player does well --> Player's viewers support sponsor. That sounds like an investment to me.
Players doing well is only a fraction of what gets a sponsor a return on that investment. Sponsors are not paying people to excell, they are paying them to help sell their license. HUGE difference.
Easy example, Idra has been playing like shit lately, but he helps promote his brand more so than someone like "socke" does by winning some small tournament
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On April 04 2012 06:41 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 06:37 Megabuster123 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:34 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:28 careohx wrote:
So disgusted of hypocrisy. Whats the big deal with porn? Why is it dirty? We all watch that shit its natural. Better than have people go around raping each other. Yea , so lets just put it everywhere right? How is it hypcritical to want it kept seperate from the streams i tune in to watch a video game tournament for? And wtf does rape even have to do with anything? You are so off the wall with w/e point you are trying to make. It's not like they're going to put actual porn up during tournaments... It's just advertising...>_> It's tasteless.
How is it tasteless?
If Brazzers wants to give money to an esports community, I say let them. Money is money.
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Btw, while I'm on board with adverts playing their content and that kind of thing being over a line that's acceptable to sponsors is having a Brazzers patch on a jacket like a korean team and being announced as Brazzers *playername* really that unacceptable? It's not like you're going to get hardcore porn played in between matches as an advert....
If the content is never even mentioned and it's just a team name and a name on a shirt... is it really going to destroy the moral fabric of our youth anymore so than the content of the games that are being played themselves? Look at halo/cod/whatever/mortal kombat - this is acceptable - but just the name brazzers is going to make people run for the hills?
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On April 04 2012 02:34 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 02:24 TritaN wrote:On April 04 2012 02:21 Chriamon wrote:On April 04 2012 02:13 vOdToasT wrote:On April 04 2012 01:45 Gryffes wrote:On April 04 2012 01:41 vOdToasT wrote:
The fighting game scene is a huge disgusting joke, lol. Try being a woman in it, or even worse, a transsexual, and you will get treated like absolute trash.
Which makes it funny that they would ban any logos of Brazzers on their stream. Really, porn isn´t ok, but all the other shit that goes on in the fighting game community is... Kayo Police and Ricky Ortiz get treated fine, don't let one asshat on cross assault ruin the impression for you :p Ricky Ortiz is a homosexual. I wasn´t talking about homosexuals. My girlfriend was a Guilty Gear and Soul Calibur player for a while and won a bunch of tournaments, and was very much involved in the community. I´m not pulling stuff out of my ass Ricky actually isn't gay btw. Yes, he is. And Kayo Police is a mtf transsexual. She gets treated very well at every event she goes to. And what about the ones who don´t get treated well? She´s just one person. (Besides, I wasn´t necessarily talking about organizers, more the community - the players she plays against and the audience she plays for) I would be open minded to the possibility of things having changed since, but then the streaming incident happened where a female player was shit on so much that she didn´t even want to continue playing in the event, so it seems like it´s still business as usual. If there were female SC2 players who were actually good and playing in tournaments, would that EVER happen AT ALL?
There's also Karaface.
And the funny thing about the Cross Assault deal is the fact that Aris, the one that this whole situation was caused by, is a big fan of Kayo Police and even commentated with her at EVO last year.
And maybe it would happen to SC2 female players. Remember the uproar over SlayerS_Eve? Perhaps not sexual harassment, but people were getting all over her because she is a girl.
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It doesn't have to make people "run for the hills" to be inappropriate, tasteless , and completely out of place.
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hope this can take off, they can sponsor small teams if they want to... why would someone turn down free money
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i dont think it would really be a good idea, but only because people act really stupidly about porn.
personally, i wouldnt have a problem with it.
i think that the drunk SOTG episode was way worse than a simple brazzers logo appearing on screen. alcohol ruins way more lives than porn ever has.
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People seem to be ignoring how people outside of our little esports bubble would see this. Whether or not your moral compass would accept this isn't the issue, it's the issue of people on the outside. No one should care about if we accept it or not because most of us would still watch WhiteRa play no matter who he was sponsored by.
However, the problem with this comes up when you want other companies to sponsor teams and even if you think it's stupid it's not going to change the fact that companies will probably see it as more of a loss than a gain if they sponsor a team with a porn industry label next to theirs. You can call it bad business or stupid or whatever the hell you want but at the end of the day it IS business and I can guarantee the businesses with money are the businesses with a PR division and almost all, if not all, of them will not be too thrilled to slap their logo/brand/name on a product or website next to a porn company's logo.
It's easier for little Billy to explain to his parents who the companies are and what services/products they provide that have banners and tents at MLG when they aren't porn companies. Imagine an MLG with a Brazzers booth giving out free trial memberships and condoms. People can say "LOL THAT'S SO FUNNY" all they want but the people who have money, reputations and stock holders won't be there yucking it up and giving high fives with you.
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On April 04 2012 06:53 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 06:50 Jerglings wrote:On April 04 2012 06:47 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:44 StarBrift wrote:On April 04 2012 06:29 Leth0 wrote:
Here's a question for all you champions that think a video game tournament is the perfect place for porn site to cross promote. What does it bring to the table?.....What audience is being drawn in due to the presence of brazzers?, Now compare that to what could be lost.
Answer that question and you will understand why this is a bad idea. I don't think you understand the point of sponsors to professional sports or gaming. The sponsors job is to pay players and / or teams and help them excell. The players bring in viewers becuase people are there to watch a competition. These viewers then go out and buy the product that the sponsor advertises. Sponsors are not supposed to draw in people. No one watches the Super Bowl because Coca Cola advertises during it. They watch it because of the teams competing. So yeah, a company can scare people away from an event. But it will not draw people into it. If you spent half the time you do prosecuting people with sarky comments by reading your own posts then you could find very obvious answers for your questions. "What does it bring to the table?" Money. You are already wrong. The sponsors job is to make an intelligent investment and get a RETURN on that investment.. Yeah that's actually exactly what he said. Sponsor supports player --> Player does well --> Player's viewers support sponsor. That sounds like an investment to me. Players doing well is only a fraction of what gets a sponsor a return on that investment. Sponsors are not paying people to excell, they are paying them to help sell their license. HUGE difference. Easy example, Idra has been playing like shit lately, but he helps promote his brand more so than someone like "socke" does by winning some small tournament
Both me and Jerglings have in our post outlined the exact process of how a sponsor makes money. I suggest you being a fucking douchebag and ignoring VERY CLEAR explanations and then follow up by trying to ridicule us by deconstructing and misquoting.
Either way I'm done arguing with you. Several times you have commented on my and others posts without fully reading them. Misquoting and taking stuff out of context. You have made some of the poorest arguments I've ever seen on TL and that says a lot.
My only regret is that I wasted close to 2 hours in this thread when all you do is attack people constantly. I really hope you find some other outlet of your need for personal vendettas so that you can stop plaguing people trying to have a serious discussion.
Have a nice evening.
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On April 04 2012 06:53 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 06:41 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:37 Megabuster123 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:34 Leth0 wrote:On April 04 2012 06:28 careohx wrote:
So disgusted of hypocrisy. Whats the big deal with porn? Why is it dirty? We all watch that shit its natural. Better than have people go around raping each other. Yea , so lets just put it everywhere right? How is it hypcritical to want it kept seperate from the streams i tune in to watch a video game tournament for? And wtf does rape even have to do with anything? You are so off the wall with w/e point you are trying to make. It's not like they're going to put actual porn up during tournaments... It's just advertising...>_> It's tasteless. How is it tasteless? If Brazzers wants to give money to an esports community, I say let them. Money is money.
And they will need to put up a ton of money because when they start to sponsor events, every other sponsor is going to drop their sponsorship
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Porn will turn away other sponsors. If the FGC wants to keep digging a hole for themselves then by all means take the sponsorship. However, the FGC has shown in the past that they like to differentiate themselves from the rest of the competitive gaming community. So i'm not surprised that a lot of people in the FGC are okay with this. It seems the FGC is more concerned about preserving what they already have, than actually growing their "brand".
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I used to think TL was a relatively intelligent internet community. Then I read a thread where people advocated for a rape simulation porn site to be an acceptable sponsor of teams. I mean I know you want your internet arguments to get attention and all, but you people should think a little more before you post. If you really think that a Brazzers sponsorship wouldn't turn away other sponsors, you simply aren't smart.
Not that Brazzers is actually going to sponsor any SC2 team or player, of course. That's just a possibility the OP threw out there for his thread to get more attention. I'm not actually sure why this is in the SC2 section.
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Ehh. I think its quite grimy for a porn production company to sponsor professional gaming. I would like to see pro StarCraft 2 on TV in America, and major media companies will see it as a joke if it has porn sponsorship.
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