I never heard anything from warowl that he intends to teach normal or good players but only noobs, and everything he talks about in his vids are very basics that pub players lack of.
PLUS, steel is making a major mistake about peeking thing that warowl owned him in my case, without even replying steel already.
that is :
steel's shoulder peeking that he demonstrates / uses in his games is useless and this video tells you why, because -physics-
everytime he wants to bait or tries to get info he gets very close to the corner, or literally pitch his head, he limits himself and gives enemy a huge advantage. that peeking style only works when enemy is situated in an angle of 90°, but if he is in a position that warowl explains in that video, he bangs you hard. more you away from the corner, the more you see when you peak.
On January 04 2015 06:00 lastpuritan wrote: I never heard anything from warowl that he intends to teach normal or good players but only noobs, and everything he talks about in his vids are very basics that pub players lack of.
PLUS, steel is making a major mistake about peeking thing that warowl owned him in my case, without even replying steel already.
steel's shoulder peeking that he demonstrates / uses in his games is useless and this video tells you why, because -physics-
everytime he wants to bait or tries to get info he gets very close to the corner, or literally pitch his head, he limits himself and gives enemy a huge advantage. that peeking style only works when enemy is situated in an angle of 90°, but if he is in a position that warowl explains in that video, he bangs you hard. more you away from the corner, the more you see when you peak.
it is not like steel is wrong, he just didn't explained there, I pretty sure he is aware of this and wouldn't put his body out more than necessary to check the common angles
But I doubt that there will be a 20min rant of how bad the video was. Steel just overreacted, Warowl maybe will pay a little more attention in the edition and in the content of the videos.
Having a weird issue lately, where I straight up can't play the game. CS will be in my steam update queue, but it immediately says 100% complete. So I uninstall and reinstall. The game will boot, and I'll get into a match, but then it'll crash and say I either need to update my directory files or my server list?
I've repeated this like three times at this point. ;_;
Have you tried verifying the integrity of game cache? It's usually not that useful, but it can't hurt to try. Not related but I feel like I'm having lower FPS than usual on my CS since the christmas update, despite changing GPUs from a dead GTX560ti to a GTX760.. I still get more than 200, but I used to get 300+ and my CPU isn't even maxing...
I went home for the holidays and played a few CSGO games on my 144Hz monitor and didn't think anything of it. Now that I'm home on my 60Hz laptop, it's driving my crazy how much blur there is while doing quick movements.
On January 04 2015 05:54 Souma wrote: That's just being lazy and wanting a quick result. Learning things properly is always better in the long run. Bad habits can be extremely difficult to overcome later on.
Not everyone wants to be a pro, many can't invest the time to be perfect. Having a good basis to be decent is a goal in itself and thus what he does is valid.
On January 04 2015 08:38 Souma wrote: If you're gonna be spending the time to watch tutorials to get better than it is better to watch the best videos anyway.
Yeah, because Silver players REALLY lack in their shoulder peeking skill.
I'm not even saying watch steel's. Just watch adren's tutorials. Silver/gold players are the ones who probably bitch most about AWPs anyway so they should learn how to shoulder peek.
I know this sounds harsh but the fact that you bring up shoulder peeking and Silver/gold player level shows that you have no connection to that player base. Have you ever been in the Silver ranks? These guys don't know to buy kevlar. They don't know about weapon recoil. Most of them don't know about duck-jumps. None of them know of any call-outs. A lot of them don't know the weapons and buy random shit. Nobody buys defuse kits, they don't know what saving is etc.
I feel like a lot of criticism over WarOwl's videos comes from MG-DMG and higher players that know of the inaccuracies in his videos but have no idea just how bad the low-level players these days are.
Aaaanyways, I've given my two cents on the topic and the discussion isn't really going anywhere so this'll be my last post on it. In a nutshell: WarOwl is not the best at explaining things, he is good but not pro at the game. I think that's still enough for low-level players to learn from, a lot of you guys disagree feeling that it's better to learn everything 100% right and from pros right from the get-go. I disagree and think it's okay to leave out some of the more complex systems in the game and start out with just the basics, even if that includes some questionable things you will have to go over again at a later point. I base that on my own experience from when I was in Silver initially.
Yes, they suck. That's no excuse not to watch the proper videos if they want to get good and if they're gonna be spending time watching tutorials anyway. They obviously don't need to learn EVERYTHING at once but they should still be taught the right way.
You can literally tell a silver player to just buy a P90 and run around with their heads cut off and they'll play better than trying to learn how to rifle properly. Okay but what does that do for them, really? Just because you can give them advice and improve their play doesn't mean it's sound advice. When I started playing I ranked SEM. I watched adren's crosshair placement video and some various smoke videos and instantly shot up to AK and I was able to maintain some firm basics to propel me to higher ranks while improving on other factors (pop flashing, quick peeking, movement, etc.). The idea is to build upon each fundamental while avoiding bad habits as much as possible.
On January 04 2015 10:01 ahswtini wrote: placed into SEM, would like to get better at the game. I barely use any nades and never use smoke, Just one of the many fundamentals I need to work on
Don't worry too much about nades at the start, they will get you killed more than anything if you don't know how to use them (peeking with nades in hands etc). Once you understand the game a little better, start integrating them slowly into your play.
At the start you primarily need to focus on your aim and get a feeling for the weapons / movement / crosshair placement. Map knowledge / gamesense / nade usage / economy will come pretty much naturally as you play / watch streams.
On January 04 2015 08:56 NihiLStarcraft wrote: I know this sounds harsh but the fact that you bring up shoulder peeking and Silver/gold player level shows that you have no connection to that player base. Have you ever been in the Silver ranks? These guys don't know to buy kevlar. They don't know about weapon recoil. Most of them don't know about duck-jumps. None of them know of any call-outs. A lot of them don't know the weapons and buy random shit. Nobody buys defuse kits, they don't know what saving is etc.
I feel like a lot of criticism over WarOwl's videos comes from MG-DMG and higher players that know of the inaccuracies in his videos but have no idea just how bad the low-level players these days are.
Aaaanyways, I've given my two cents on the topic and the discussion isn't really going anywhere so this'll be my last post on it. In a nutshell: WarOwl is not the best at explaining things, he is good but not pro at the game. I think that's still enough for low-level players to learn from, a lot of you guys disagree feeling that it's better to learn everything 100% right and from pros right from the get-go. I disagree and think it's okay to leave out some of the more complex systems in the game and start out with just the basics, even if that includes some questionable things you will have to go over again at a later point. I base that on my own experience from when I was in Silver initially.
The thing is, if you're still in the silver/gold nova range you're not really in the position to say whether or not WarOwls videos are good or bad. Especially if you've watched them and think you've learnt from them because that makes you immediately biased and you have no idea whether or not you've picked up bad habits from him or not in the first place.
If the majority of high-ranking players and even pro's are saying his videos are shit, im inclined to believe them. Im MG1 and i dont feel remotely qualified to even give my opinion on the matter.
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Asunder, give up on CSGO man, the world is telling you to become a CoD scrub, you have far too many problems XD
I watched a couple of TheWarOwl's and it's clearly intended for new players. There's some bad advice in there, like about how you should slow peek if you're far away from the corner, which is fucking retarded and while it may be sometimes true for the love of christ don't try to do that, you WILL get fucked.
Nonetheless it's clearly for new players but it's fun to put numbers and pictures on realities. Like everyone is aware that your body will stick out if you're holding a corner from up close, but I didn't know half your body would stick out. I never bothered to check the other perspective. So it's nice.
Can't imagine I'd learn anything that'd help me play better though... because it's not meant for me. And that's okay.
Since you guys decided to make a bunch of posts about the validity of warowl's advice, I will espose my own thoughts on it. What exactly is the percentage of warowl's subscribers that actively watch him and using his advice, broke out of the silver/nova range? Because, with my current CSGO experience (Badge-eagle level and CEVO open team), ( it's not much to say but it gives me some sort of a valid merit) watching warowl videos is not going to help you improve that much in the long run.
Sure, anyone can easily make it out of silvers with simple lessons and videos, but if you really want to get involved and really want to play this game competitively, your best option is to watch the actual top tier pros, not a youtuber who's not even on an open team. Using the starcraft example, I don't fucking watch replays of Ninazerg or watch replays of Greenelve to learn how to play Defiler ZvT, i fucking watch jaedong replays and I fucking watch effort replays. Anytime that you have the option to learn from the best, you just straight onto that. So, why watch warowl for anything when i can watch nothing's videos or the random videos that NiP players made, or even just watch them stream on twitch? You learn way more that way since you are watching the top players with the best mechanics. When my team goes to review team strats and tactics, we watch mostly NiP and Fnatic demos, we don't watch warowl's strat talks or joe shmo's strat talks. Hell, we play inferno almost the same way that NiP plays inferno (3 a 2 b, 1 a smoke banana right off and we triple smoke it, etc...). The point that I'm trying to make here is that if you base your play from the best players in the world or at least take inspiration from it, you'll improve way more than taking advice from someone that's not even relevant in any competitive scene.
All in all, if you have never played an FPS game before in your life, sure he's ok to start off with, but for the love of god, don't watch him if you ever plan to take this game seriously; just take advice from a pro instead.
On January 04 2015 13:42 amazingxkcd wrote: Since you guys decided to make a bunch of posts about the validity of warowl's advice, I will espose my own thoughts on it. What exactly is the percentage of warowl's subscribers that actively watch him and using his advice, broke out of the silver/nova range? Because, with my current CSGO experience (Badge-eagle level and CEVO open team), ( it's not much to say but it gives me some sort of a valid merit) watching warowl videos is not going to help you improve that much in the long run.
Sure, anyone can easily make it out of silvers with simple lessons and videos, but if you really want to get involved and really want to play this game competitively, your best option is to watch the actual top tier pros, not a youtuber who's not even on an open team. Using the starcraft example, I don't fucking watch replays of Ninazerg or watch replays of Greenelve to learn how to play Defiler ZvT, i fucking watch jaedong replays and I fucking watch effort replays. Anytime that you have the option to learn from the best, you just straight onto that. So, why watch warowl for anything when i can watch nothing's videos or the random videos that NiP players made, or even just watch them stream on twitch? You learn way more that way since you are watching the top players with the best mechanics. When my team goes to review team strats and tactics, we watch mostly NiP and Fnatic demos, we don't watch warowl's strat talks or joe shmo's strat talks. Hell, we play inferno almost the same way that NiP plays inferno (3 a 2 b, 1 a smoke banana right off and we triple smoke it, etc...). The point that I'm trying to make here is that if you base your play from the best players in the world or at least take inspiration from it, you'll improve way more than taking advice from someone that's not even relevant in any competitive scene.
All in all, if you have never played an FPS game before in your life, sure he's ok to start off with, but for the love of god, don't watch him if you ever plan to take this game seriously; just take advice from a pro instead.
Damn shoulda quit listening to day9 along time ago. lol
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