On January 03 2015 19:07 Fleetfeet wrote: The reaction time and hand-eye coordination/mouse control required for this game is insane. I started playing about a week ago (holidays ftw) and am silver 1 + am so depressed to see how much better even the higher ranks of silver are. I'm not used to entering a game at the bottom end D:
People at your rank can't aim for shit, the only chance you have to die is by staying put in the middle of the open, or staying put at an exact angle and missing your shot. Try to learn how to peek from angles, or maybe try to master P90 (start burst on head, move your crosshair to their legs/feet and ruuuuuuuun around), they shouldnt hit you a lot. Maybe lower your sensitivity, a wrist movement should make you do around a 1/4 turn. In competitive you shouldnt have to turn 180° if you look at the radar :-)
Make yourself harder to kill, and improve your aim, even by a bit, you'll gain a few ranks fast.
You don't need reaction time at silver in comp :-p But in deathmatch you could be surprised quite a lot by "average" people.
On January 03 2015 19:07 Fleetfeet wrote: The reaction time and hand-eye coordination/mouse control required for this game is insane. I started playing about a week ago (holidays ftw) and am silver 1 + am so depressed to see how much better even the higher ranks of silver are. I'm not used to entering a game at the bottom end D:
you can improve reaction thing by playing training maps, check workshop.
though i dont get what you mean by hand eye coordination, im guessing its also relevant to your aim which you can also practice with those maps.
the thing im dealing with is similar to yours. im trying to learn right hand - and left hand coordination that i believe is one of the most important about this game.
this simply means: answer this, you are playing dust 2 as ct, covering a, and they are rushing from short (some call it catwalk)
they are 3, they flash you one after another and you are the only guy in the site. one of them keeps firing while running towards you and one of them jumped to ct the rush you from left, and the other just hides behind the right crates.
can you kill all? you all share the same ranks, they hold aks while you have m4, and you also have flashes.
when does right hand and left hand coordination intervene? ITS EVERYTHING alongside with one thing, that is also my second interest: positioning, using every useful edge or cover or corner of the map, keeping you safe from bullets or flashes, or giving fire advantage to kill multiple targets.
however, in a situation like this, you cant just hide behind a cover and peek for a kill, most of the good players prefire positions where you probably will be and they ll rush you no matter what even if they sacrifice 1, kill trade always favors T in such situations. so you need to be moving, of course without completely exposing yourself (positioning) and still be fighting.
well, if you coordinate your hands perfectly, those rushing guys are easy to kill. i see some pro twitches and i realize the fact that what im lacking with the play is that i cant control my left hand while firing the gun because i go crazy and get somehow excited lol. but pro players do it in a ryhm like they press d, and they shoot right after they stop, and then press a, stop, fire again, while switching their position very well. if you do this, you can juke all enemy attacks and manage to hit them with %100 accuracy.
Not gonna lie, all these recent silvers popping up in the thread have given my MG1 ass a confidence boost. 6 months ago this thread was only fucking MGE+++ and i felt like a scrub. :D
The worst thing is they've all recently started playing and will probably be better than me in 6 months
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If anyones interested in some helpful links / guides:
How to fire at range http://i.imgur.com/SsZuUQa.jpg (Just general guidelines. The "line" is A-long on Dust 2 from back-barrels on A site to Pit at the other end, if you wanted to compare in-game distances.)
the way i personally as SMFC/GE felt about them is that they didn't really teach me much new things but they helped me understand what the reasoning is behind these things that i've learned to do instinctively by playing the game
the way i personally as SMFC/GE felt about them is that they didn't really teach me much new things but they helped me understand what the reasoning is behind these things that i've learned to do instinctively by playing the game
Steel's tutorials are very good and have a ton of very useful informations. Especially this one :
However, some of them (his map tutorials) are aimed at team play and are difficult to apply in MM.
Its also worth noting that they are not really aimed at people completely new to CSGO, even if Steel thought it was (there was this video of him recently criticizing Warhowl for oversimplying and being wrong in his tutorials on youtube, which is probably why Steel started to make tutorials in the first place). The concepts he is explaining are very important (and for the most part will come naturally if you play a lot and watch a lot of pro play), but I can understand that some of them can be hard to apply if you are completely new to CSGO.
On January 04 2015 00:54 lastpuritan wrote: whats wrong with warowl, dude is amazing.
I personally have nothing wrong with him, but Steel had something to say about his videos :
His main point is that Warhowl is teaching bad habits to new players when he teaches stuff that are straight up wrong and also that he does not cover what is actually important. I tend to agree with him, but then again, covering very basic stuff is important for people who have never touched a cs game and I don't really think Warhowl deserves that much criticism.
His main point is that Warhowl is teaching bad habits to new players when he teaches stuff that are straight up wrong and also that he does not cover what is actually important. I tend to agree with him, but then again, covering very basic stuff is important for people who have never touched a cs game and I don't really think Warhowl deserves that much criticism.
The main good point Steel raised was that in WarOwl's videos, the "demonstrations" aren't well executed at all; I.E. in the AWP video, he just runs around corners unscoped and explains that you need to stop, scope, flick and fire, which could have used a slightly better explanation (I.E. mentionning counter straffing even if he already made a video about it), he could have also properly peeked the corner and said something about it, which would have made the video more right, while staying on the basics. The video doesn't touch crosshair placement at all, when it is by far the most important basic skill to have in CS.
On January 04 2015 04:50 wptlzkwjd wrote: Steel's video was really helpful for me as I didn't know about shoulder peeking to bait out AWP shots.
Beware though, don't show yourself too much (as he says, you don't need to see around the corner for him to see your body), or you'll stop after the corner and eat a bullet in the face :D (speaking from experience)
The problem with WarOwl is he can't give good advice because he isn't a good player. His movement is bad, his aim is mediocre, and he thinks every play he makes is the right one. The stuff he goes over is stuff you can learn within minutes of picking up the game and hopping into a deathmatch to test out different weapons. Steel made a comparison to driving in his video about WarOwl and said he basically tells you "here's the steering wheel, you turn it and the wheels turn, here is the brake pedal and here is the gas pedal, you touch the gas pedal and the car moves". These things are literally common sense. What people need to know about are specific mechanics. People need to learn how to peek properly, how to clear angles 1 at a time instead of flying out and being exposed to 5 different spots. When to shoulder peek, when to wide peek. When to spray, how to spray.
If anyone wants to get good fast they should watch adren's videos or steel's videos.
WarOwl is SMFC, I've seen him play with Hiko and keep up with him easily multiple times on stream. I don't think there's any ground for claiming he's too bad at the game to be an instructor.
He's not very good at explaining/illustrating, I'll give you that. But a lot of the criticism he's gotten after Steel's comments has been kinda bullshit (especially since Steel has the same issue, great player but not a good educator). WarOwl's demographic is mostly newcomers and I think his videos are absolutely fine for newbies personally. Sure not everything is 100% correct when applied to pro-level games but there's PLENTY of stuff to learn for a new player and starting out with WarOwl's videos is certainly not a bad idea.
On January 04 2015 05:25 NihiLStarcraft wrote: WarOwl is SMFC, I've seen him play with Hiko and keep up with him easily multiple times on stream. I don't think there's any ground for claiming he's too bad at the game to be an instructor.
He's not very good at explaining/illustrating, I'll give you that. But a lot of the criticism he's gotten after Steel's comments has been kinda bullshit (especially since Steel has the same issue, great player but not a good educator). WarOwl's demographic is mostly newcomers and I think his videos are absolutely fine for newbies personally. Sure not everything is 100% correct when applied to pro-level games but there's PLENTY of stuff to learn for a new player and starting out with WarOwl's videos is certainly not a bad idea.
SMFC isn't an accomplishment. Also keeping up with a pro in a pug isn't one either. I guarantee if you put WarOwl into a proper match setting he will be more clueless than the chickens on the map. When I watched him play he was very mediocre. It doesn't take skill to get frags in matchmaking. A proper scrim is a completely different game than a pug.
I'm not trying to say he's at a pro level but I do think he's a player who is MUCH better than the average player and as such is good enough to be making CSGO tutorials.
On January 04 2015 05:36 NihiLStarcraft wrote: I'm not trying to say he's at a pro level but I do think he's a player who is MUCH better than the average player and as such is good enough to be making CSGO tutorials.
The problem is he teaches people the wrong things because he has no experience himself. Any global elite can teach someone who is a lower rank and make them better, but not necessarily in a good way. You can get to a high rank playing like an idiot without even using nades or flashes as long as you have good aim. But doing it properly and knowing how to play with your teammates and be coordinated takes experience. A lot of his content is just very bad information that teaches new players bad habits.
That's where we disagree I do agree that not everything he says is 100% correct at high-level of play but I've been in Silver and I am in Gold Nova and I don't think anybody there would do anything but benefit from watching his stuff. Just my opinion based on my own experience. If you learn a new language, you sometimes also have to omit some special cases/rules when you start out because otherwise all the rules overwhelm you. Same for a CSGO newbie if you ask me.
That's just being lazy and wanting a quick result. Learning things properly is always better in the long run. Bad habits can be extremely difficult to overcome later on.
The AWP video is pretty bad, he really is just giving some common knowledge things, like saying how much the weapon cost, that is better at long distance, etc, common... Seriously? I could understand if wasn't this kind of information for like 5min.
I learned a lot of things with warowl, though, really helped me since I never was a CS player. Looks like to me that Steel overreacts, but it became clear that Warowl could put some more thought in the video.
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