EPTSupposed you get to level 80, is there a "token of absolution" to respect your tree completely?
Or you just gain respect point and you need 50+ if you want a complete respect?
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
Supposed you get to level 80, is there a "token of absolution" to respect your tree completely? Or you just gain respect point and you need 50+ if you want a complete respect? | ||
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Scio
Germany522 Posts
On February 01 2013 23:11 Skilledblob wrote: playing my first character as an ice witch and so far I am pretty happy, though I died once against Merveil  can someone give me some basic advice for my char? So far I concentrated on the passive boni to cold damage but I am running out of those  If you want more damage nodes go for crit. Crit works well with cold since everytime you crit you freeze stuff and int-weapons like daggers and wands have high base crit chance. Also shattering frozen guys is fun. I'm new to the game only lvl 10. Supposed you get to level 80, is there a "token of absolution" to respect your tree completely? Or you just gain respect point and you need 50+ if you want a complete respect? You get some respec points from quests and you would have to grind or trade the rest (orb of regret gives a respec point if used) But you really shouldnt do that as the game is a lot about trying different stuff and building a new build from scratch. | ||
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Tennet
United States1458 Posts
On February 01 2013 23:16 scDeluX wrote: I'm new to the game only lvl 10. Supposed you get to level 80, is there a "token of absolution" to respect your tree completely? Or you just gain respect point and you need 50+ if you want a complete respect? You get 18 through quests and anymore you'd need orbs of regret. If you messed up your tree badly enough that you need a full respec, you probably will have a hard time getting to 80 in the first place. And time to get breakfast and theorycraft possible build changes.. T_T | ||
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Glull
Germany404 Posts
On February 01 2013 23:03 Obstikal wrote: At what lvl should I progress into act2 in cruel ? or even kill brutus for that matter ?? I dont know how long I should grind the ledge but I did it for like 2hours yesterday. Im lvl 41, I also have 950hp/1020es if that matters if you play hardcore, ignore me. brutus is pretty easy for spellcasters - just follow the pattern of one spell, sidestep, one spell, sidestep and he just dies without ever pulling you. as long as you dont feel outmatched by normal monsters in rocky climb/prison, go for it. same goes for the content after brutus, and when you reach merveil just wear cold resist (coral rings and whatever else you can reasonably use). On February 01 2013 23:11 Skilledblob wrote: playing my first character as an ice witch and so far I am pretty happy, though I died once against Merveil can someone give me some basic advice for my char? So far I concentrated on the passive boni to cold damage but I am running out of those critical strike chance/damage is what makes cold witches what they are - critical strikes freeze enemies based on the damage they took relative to their hp pool, and a frozen enemy is a harmless enemy. so try get some crit nodes if you can. here is my current skill tree as inspiration, some es nodes are obviously not yet taken, but you get the gist of it. + Show Spoiler + http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgMAAuMC_gVbB2MHpQ5ID8QQaREvEVARlha_F1QabB0UHwIigSlPLJwwlzbFOYo62Dt8O-FCw0NjRtdJsk3YVkpXK1j1WqZdxl3yYG1mT2aebRlwUnDVcU19U3_GgUmCEIKbh9uIQouMjDaMdo48jmSPRpUEmZqaz52jna6dxJ6hoi6io6cIr5uyOLaGtve2-rcxuMq71sHFwfPYJNrd3Mfd89-E37Dhc-Qi5oHrY-w47SDyHfPq96b60g== | ||
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-Dustin-
United States718 Posts
You are in a Path of Exile thread of course most of us are fan boys... You didn't reply to me earlier so I'm going to just assume you are here to troll. Take it somewhere else. | ||
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
On February 01 2013 22:43 AnomalySC2 wrote: Anyone that thinks D3 is better is not going to be able to give you an intelligent reason as to why. These are MY reasons as to why I think D3 is better than PoE, mister blanket statement: 1. Better graphics style - A lot of the animations, models, and abilities are all pretty boring to me and lack that feeling of epicness. 2. Better storyline - I can't get into the PoE story at all whereas during my first playthrough of D3 I listening to every story element that I could. 3. Better inventory system - I hate that everything in PoE takes up 1/8th of my inventory. In D3 everything is either 1x1 or 2x1 so picking up loot doesn't feel as bad. Now there are some things that PoE does better that I'm sure D3 will incorporate in the future (Blizzard loves borrowing ideas), but I just cannot get into PoE like I did D3. Again those are my reasons and are not reasons of the entire D3 community. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On February 02 2013 00:23 Butterednuts wrote: These are MY reasons as to why I think D3 is better than PoE, mister blanket statement: 1. Better graphics style - A lot of the animations, models, and abilities are all pretty boring to me and lack that feeling of epicness. 2. Better storyline - I can't get into the PoE story at all whereas during my first playthrough of D3 I listening to every story element that I could. 3. Better inventory system - I hate that everything in PoE takes up 1/8th of my inventory. In D3 everything is either 1x1 or 2x1 so picking up loot doesn't feel as bad. Now there are some things that PoE does better that I'm sure D3 will incorporate in the future (Blizzard loves borrowing ideas), but I just cannot get into PoE like I did D3. Again those are my reasons and are not reasons of the entire D3 community. Minor complaints imo. 1. Which art style is better, obviously, is purely opinion. Some prefer the more gritty and realistic style of PoE, others prefer the more cartoony approach of D3. However, what I would agree with you completely on is D3 has the superior animations and skill effects. I think this is PoE's biggest weakness, but at the same time they look fine enough that they don't destroy the game (also, spell effects grow more and more epic the more powerful your character becomes, so yeah). GGG is a small indie company afterall, Blizzard is a multi billion dollar juggernaught. 2. Does story really even matter in an online game? Gameplay is the main draw, this is not Planescape Torment or The Witcher 1/2. But whatever the case, I rarely ever saw anyone praising D3's story, most found it poor in comparison to D1/D2. 3. The inventory system in PoE is blatantly inspired by Diablo 1 and 2, as are a lot of other aspects of the game. Again, not that this is even a big deal at all, just don't pick up as much vendor trash as you do in D3 and I don't understand why this is even a big deal. What really matters in an arpg is the gameplay, and in this aspect PoE >>>>> D3. The amount of complexity behind character builds and customization is staggering, especially when you compare it to D3's hilariously simple approach. The loot, another hugely important factor for an arpg, is also infinitely more interesting and satisfying than D3. There is just so much more depth to it all. I guess what I'm saying is, your issues with PoE are just so small that I don't see why they would sway you to declare one game superior over the other. To each his own, though. Oh, and PoE has pvp and a hardcore ladder that is actually meaningful. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On February 02 2013 00:23 Butterednuts wrote: These are MY reasons as to why I think D3 is better than PoE, mister blanket statement: 1. Better graphics style - A lot of the animations, models, and abilities are all pretty boring to me and lack that feeling of epicness. 2. Better storyline - I can't get into the PoE story at all whereas during my first playthrough of D3 I listening to every story element that I could. 3. Better inventory system - I hate that everything in PoE takes up 1/8th of my inventory. In D3 everything is either 1x1 or 2x1 so picking up loot doesn't feel as bad. Now there are some things that PoE does better that I'm sure D3 will incorporate in the future (Blizzard loves borrowing ideas), but I just cannot get into PoE like I did D3. Again those are my reasons and are not reasons of the entire D3 community. Blizzard loves borrowing ideas but not successful ones. They've made their bed with D3 and even if they fix everything that is wrong with it they have still lost a loyal playerbase in the people that loved D2, hated D3, and love PoE. To rebut your points: 1) This is something GGG are constantly working on and it's amazing how much the graphic style and animations have improved over the last year. So agreed on animations and models needing some work, but I don't know how you can say the abilities are boring when they are so much more original than anything D3 possesses, especially with the addition of support gems. 2) You're right, PoE doesn't have much of a story. Nothing really to say here but it seems like GGG are constantly adding new content in this regard. You have to remember this is still a beta product, not a AAA release like D3. 3) This is a personal preference really. I didn't like that in D3 it made sense to pick up absolutely everything, even if I intended on selling or breaking down 99.99% of it. I really only want to pick up things that might be worth something or might be valuable to my characters. The reduced inventory size, in addition to white items being valuable depending on their sockets, means you actually have to think about what you pick up. This is a positive in my and many other's books. I'm not sure why you assume that Blizzard will copy all of the ideas PoE got right and at the same time PoE won't get any better. If anything, GGG has shown that they are much more receptive to community feedback and actually creating a game that, heaven forbid, its playerbase wants. When the D3 team gets that kind of feedback, they respond with "fuck that loser." I realize Jay Wilson is gone now, but that's the person that was behind the development of your beloved D3. Tangential aside, the three things you listed as being problematic in PoE are probably the three things that hardcore ARPG gamers (what PoE is catered towards) care least about when it comes to the game. We want to be able to put thought behind our builds and have it mean something. and we want interesting items that are difficult to get but extremely rewarding. PoE does those things better than D3 by an order of magnitude. | ||
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
On February 02 2013 00:44 ZasZ. wrote: Blizzard loves borrowing ideas but not successful ones. They've made their bed with D3 and even if they fix everything that is wrong with it they have still lost a loyal playerbase in the people that loved D2, hated D3, and love PoE. To rebut your points: 1) This is something GGG are constantly working on and it's amazing how much the graphic style and animations have improved over the last year. So agreed on animations and models needing some work, but I don't know how you can say the abilities are boring when they are so much more original than anything D3 possesses, especially with the addition of support gems. 2) You're right, PoE doesn't have much of a story. Nothing really to say here but it seems like GGG are constantly adding new content in this regard. You have to remember this is still a beta product, not a AAA release like D3. 3) This is a personal preference really. I didn't like that in D3 it made sense to pick up absolutely everything, even if I intended on selling or breaking down 99.99% of it. I really only want to pick up things that might be worth something or might be valuable to my characters. The reduced inventory size, in addition to white items being valuable depending on their sockets, means you actually have to think about what you pick up. This is a positive in my and many other's books. I'm not sure why you assume that Blizzard will copy all of the ideas PoE got right and at the same time PoE won't get any better. If anything, GGG has shown that they are much more receptive to community feedback and actually creating a game that, heaven forbid, its playerbase wants. When the D3 team gets that kind of feedback, they respond with "fuck that loser." I realize Jay Wilson is gone now, but that's the person that was behind the development of your beloved D3. Tangential aside, the three things you listed as being problematic in PoE are probably the three things that hardcore ARPG gamers (what PoE is catered towards) care least about when it comes to the game. We want to be able to put thought behind our builds and have it mean something. and we want interesting items that are difficult to get but extremely rewarding. PoE does those things better than D3 by an order of magnitude. Neither of you can pick up personal preferences in a post. I declared it twice in my post. Like what you like and I'll like what I like. You don't have to convert everyone to what you like in order for you to feel good about yourself. <3 | ||
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Tennet
United States1458 Posts
On February 02 2013 00:23 Butterednuts wrote: These are MY reasons as to why I think D3 is better than PoE, mister blanket statement: 1. Better graphics style - A lot of the animations, models, and abilities are all pretty boring to me and lack that feeling of epicness. 2. Better storyline - I can't get into the PoE story at all whereas during my first playthrough of D3 I listening to every story element that I could. 3. Better inventory system - I hate that everything in PoE takes up 1/8th of my inventory. In D3 everything is either 1x1 or 2x1 so picking up loot doesn't feel as bad. Now there are some things that PoE does better that I'm sure D3 will incorporate in the future (Blizzard loves borrowing ideas), but I just cannot get into PoE like I did D3. Again those are my reasons and are not reasons of the entire D3 community. 1. Graphics mean NOTHING 2. D3 storyline is good? The writing was terrible, the bosses' characters were nothing like they should be. YOU YOU LIT THE BEACONS, BUT YOU WON'T RAISE THE CATAPULTS! GAH YOU RAISED THE CATAPULTS, YOU WON'T DEFEAT ME AFTER YOU COME TO 867 BROADWAY STREET! How about Belial being incapable of actually deceiving the player? It was really obvious that the emperor wasn't them self. 3. Let me quote a Dev for you.. Right now the inventory space is working as intended. If it were made any larger, then there would be more magic items and rares to sell, increasing the number of orbs of alteration you'd get, or increasing the number of rares on the trade market. This would create problems with the way the economy is designed. Even if D3 was to keep patching to rip off PoE, it STILL would be a bad game. Your reasoning for liking D3 more has no real foundation of logical reasoning and makes you look utterly silly which is why we bother to address your post. | ||
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PandaCore
Germany553 Posts
Personally I just like to play one character and focus on that one, but I'm too much of a perfectionist and fear of ending up with bad skills. Starting a new character and doing the same all over again is something that really puts a dent into my enjoyment of games. Usually I enjoy the "endgame" the most, and leveling is just a means of getting there for me and I'm always glad when that phase is done for. So my main gripe really is that, before actually playing and knowing how a character works, you already have to have everything planned out in this one. If you don't want to spend the time leveling up characters over and over again, you just have to know everything beforehand, from spells to skills to passives. So as I don't want to spend that much time with the game (maybe 1-3 hours an evening), it's probably not for me. Maybe I've become too casual when it comes to things like this. I do understand and ackowlegde it might be fun to some people though. | ||
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Pwere
Canada1557 Posts
D3 deserves credit for its cinematics however; Blizzard hasn't lost that touch. The Scoundrel and Covetous Shen are pretty creative. But goddamn, the main story is frustrating. That said, PoE's story is hard to follow because no one cares about Piety. We don't have two games to create a backstory and a setting for us. But A3 is already far ahead of A1, and the game isn't nearly done yet. As for artstyle, I like both, although I much prefer the bosses of PoE. D3 has those lame bosses that are 10x your size but somehow can't hurt you, with pretty lame mechanics. The skills look better in D3, but PoE isn't done yet, and the skills are already better balanced and more functional than D3. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On February 02 2013 00:54 Butterednuts wrote: Neither of you can pick up personal preferences in a post. I declared it twice in my post. Like what you like and I'll like what I like. You don't have to convert everyone to what you like in order for you to feel good about yourself. <3 Except that you needed to post (out of the blue, since you weren't the poster they were initially responding to) why you like D3 better to make you feel good about yourself? I even mentioned in my post that your personal preferences aren't what the typical PoE gamer cares about. And rather than cater to that and make it some watered down version of D3 (if that's possible) I am glad GGG has made the game it did. But if you aren't interested in re-evaluating the game, and aren't interested in getting us to play D3, why are you in this thread? On-topic: I really want to build a Templar or Witch around Queen's Decree, but I don't think it would be viable. Has anyone seen anything like that? | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On February 02 2013 00:54 Butterednuts wrote: Neither of you can pick up personal preferences in a post. I declared it twice in my post. Like what you like and I'll like what I like. You don't have to convert everyone to what you like in order for you to feel good about yourself. <3 Maybe you misunderstand the point of posting on forums and having discussions about your favorite games. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On February 02 2013 00:59 Tennet wrote: 1. Graphics mean NOTHING 2. D3 storyline is good? The writing was terrible, the bosses' characters were nothing like they should be. YOU YOU LIT THE BEACONS, BUT YOU WON'T RAISE THE CATAPULTS! GAH YOU RAISED THE CATAPULTS, YOU WON'T DEFEAT ME AFTER YOU COME TO 867 BROADWAY STREET! How about Belial being incapable of actually deceiving the player? It was really obvious that the emperor wasn't them self. 3. Let me quote a Dev for you.. Even if D3 was to keep patching to rip off PoE, it STILL would be a bad game. Your reasoning for liking D3 more has no real foundation of logical reasoning and makes you look utterly silly which is why we bother to address your post. This is such a terrible and disrespectful post. The guy you quoted stated explicitly these are HIS reasons why he likes D3 better. Who are you to tell him what he has to like and what not, or call him silly for it? Why do people even have to defend themselves for liking D3 here? Its just stupid. | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
On February 02 2013 01:00 PandaCore wrote: I wish I could get into this game somehow. I've played it carefree up to level 21 for a while and had fun, then realized there is no respec system (apart from a few measly points). So I now still have half of my points not allocated, but already fear I've put some somewhere where I shouldn't have. I also don't really know what I want to end up doing, since I haven't seen much of the game yet. Personally I just like to play one character and focus on that one, but I'm too much of a perfectionist and fear of ending up with bad skills. Starting a new character and doing the same all over again is something that really puts a dent into my enjoyment of games. Usually I enjoy the "endgame" the most, and leveling is just a means of getting there for me and I'm always glad when that phase is done for. So my main gripe really is that, before actually playing and knowing how a character works, you already have to have everything planned out in this one. If you don't want to spend the time leveling up characters over and over again, you just have to know everything beforehand, from spells to skills to passives. So as I don't want to spend that much time with the game (maybe 1-3 hours an evening), it's probably not for me. Maybe I've become too casual when it comes to things like this. I do understand and ackowlegde it might be fun to some people though. I'm kinda like you. My plan was to just spec a bit randomly and keep all respect from quests. Then when I get to lvl 60-70+ I can just buy the tokens I miss and at least have 1 full respect for relatively cheap. I am wrong with that assumption? Are token of respec ridiculously pricy? | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On February 02 2013 01:18 scDeluX wrote: I'm kinda like you. My plan was to just spec a bit randomly and keep all respect from quests. Then when I get to lvl 60-70+ I can just buy the tokens I miss and at least have 1 full respect for relatively cheap. I am wrong with that assumption? Are token of respec ridiculously pricy? A full respec at that level will probably be very pricy. But then again, chances are if you can get to that level you won't need a full respec. The 18 or so passive refund points you get from quests are plenty (IMO) to make up for any nodes you take early that you may not need later or any mistakes you make but the point is to get you to plan out your build somewhat and not take stuff on a whim. If you really want to design a completely different character, you should probably start a completely different character. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On February 02 2013 01:15 Redox wrote: This is such a terrible and disrespectful post. The guy you quoted stated explicitly these are HIS reasons why he likes D3 better. Who are you to tell him what he has to like and what not, or call him silly for it? Why do people even have to defend themselves for liking D3 here? Its just stupid. Because it's a forum, and opinions will clash. Also, if a Call of Duty fan were to go onto a cs 1.6 or Quake Live forum and start explaining why he thinks CoD games are better, then of course he will get called out on it. It's a similar situation here. | ||
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