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Levistus
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
On January 22 2013 01:04 Levistus wrote: are there other melee skills that are as good as lightning strike? most builds i see in the forums are based on lightning strike. i want to make a dual wield duelist. i wanna know if there are skills that are good for dual wielding. If you're asking if other melee builds are viable, they definitely are but take more skill and careful planning, while LS is pretty damn face roll. For example I'm using a variation on this build: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/52656 , which is a really fun leap-around and AoE mobs kind of build, but since my gear is pretty crappy I have to be really careful what I leap into. Since you want to dual wield, Cleave is the designated dual-wield AoE skill, but I found it kind of lacking compared to Ground Slam and Sweep due to it's more limited range, but you could definitely make it work. Cleave hits with both weapons (albeit with reduced damage, but overall a higher damage than a single weapon would do), so it's meant for dual-wielding. Link that with Increased AoE, faster attacks, and some Warlord's Mark + Blood Rage, and you should be able to sustain pretty well. The thing about PoE which I'm finding out (still pretty noobtastic, just started playing) is that many many builds are viable. Though some builds will invariably be the best by a large margin, it doesn't mean that less efficient builds are necessarily less fun or invalid. My first char had a pretty crappy melee build, but I was still able to tough it through to Merciless. There probably isn't a melee skill that is as good as LS, but it doesn't matter; if you want to make a DW duelist, go ahead. Besides, LS is getting nerfed so it'll level the playing field a bit. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On January 22 2013 01:04 Levistus wrote: are there other melee skills that are as good as lightning strike? most builds i see in the forums are based on lightning strike. i want to make a dual wield duelist. i wanna know if there are skills that are good for dual wielding. Cleave can be good when you use 2 swords. Here you can also go elemental damage or critical (a bit harder) or physical damage. Just focus on lots of life because cleave has much smaller AoE and you will get hit more often. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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Pwere
Canada1557 Posts
On January 21 2013 14:16 superstartran wrote: I completely agree for Bow builds. Ele > Phys, not really close. But for melee builds, the gap is not as wide. And that's because high physical + added fire damage + LS + WED ends up dealing insane damage. That's what I call a physical build. It gains increased damage through having a really high phys damage sword, lots of phys/AS passives, and converting that damage to elemental to abuse WED (that might get nerfed as well).Phys Dmg vs Ele dmg is extremely clear cut. Ele Dmg blows Phys Dmg out of the water in so many ways it's not even funny. The only way Phys Dmg can maintain pace in terms of clearing + surviving is if you have the most baller gear possible and are running Vaal Pact. Ele Dmg lets you level extremely quickly because you get to invest basically almost all your nodes into defense while minimal offense, while still doing idiotic amounts of dmg, especially when you grab a WED gem. The Ele Dmg Nodes + Item Mods + Gem make Ele Dmg way too good, especially when you start getting the proper links and getting silly stuff like ele pierce + ele weakness curse + 120% weapon ele dmg. The one thing Phys Dmg builds might have is that they have better sustain if they get caught in a sticky situation, but Ele Dmg builds hardly ever deal with that because they just blow the living snot out of everything anyways. Also, keep in mind that LS has been heavily 'fixed' for OB. It won't hit your main target twice anymore. Chain has also been nerfed hard (from 4x 60% to 3x 50%). On the other hand, Whirling Blades (and possibly Cleave) have been buffed, and shield passives around the templar area have been buffed. It's possible the shield passives near duelist/rangers got a similar treatment. Elemental Hit has also been nerfed (but probably not nearly enough. It deserved a 50%+ damage nerf, but likely only got ~40%), Lightning Arrow doesn't shock anymore (but will likely still be the best bow AoE), and Fork had its damage reduced from 80% to 70% (still really good, but on par with pierce now). Rain of Arrow got a slight buff. Ranged Attack Totem also got a slight buff IIRC, and they were already really strong to clear bosses. As for Dual Wield, I think it is usually bad. It's hard enough to roll one good weapon, and shields are really strong. Its redeeming quality is that Dual Strike is the strongest single target DPS in the game, and Cleave + dual wield deals great damage. But the lack of shield hits on your survivability, it is mana heavy, and you don't get a 2nd 6L as 2h weapons do. Whirling Blades gain nothing from dual wielding, and it will likely be the best AoE for daggers/claws. Finally, don't believe that the balance will be set in stone at OB. It won't take 3 months to buff weak builds and fix abuses. They'll likely have more than one patch per week, and they're not afraid to completely destroy things that cannot be fixed. That said, plan some leech in your build, because it is OP and unlikely to change for a while. | ||
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KiWiKaKi
Canada691 Posts
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T0F4sT
Netherlands317 Posts
On January 22 2013 01:44 KiWiKaKi wrote: Is this game good Yes. If you like in depth play. Yes for sure. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
On January 22 2013 01:44 KiWiKaKi wrote: Is this game good ya it has kiwis | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On January 22 2013 01:44 KiWiKaKi wrote: Is this game good It has Kiwis, so I think that should be a given for you!  Edit: Wow. This thread is moving fast at the moment! 2 Days, 2 Hours, 9 Minutes 'till open beta starts and counting. | ||
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furlyman
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-Dustin-
United States718 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Can't decide, T_T. | ||
TheMango
United States1967 Posts
On January 22 2013 01:44 KiWiKaKi wrote: Is this game good I know you used to play d3, and I'm guessing d2 as well, so I'll try to draw comparisons from there. It's a lot more indepth and more of a true successor to the diablo franchise than d3 is. The graphics are definitely not as good as d3, pretty much no story line comparatively, and the game engine isn't as smooth. However, the economy system is pretty unique (no gold, no AH) and well designed, gear system and progression is a lot better (uniques feel like d2 uniques, not OP like in d3 where half your gear is BiS uniques), end game is a lot better (better than grinding paragon/ubers at least), and they have frequent events where you compete in ladders for rewards. Where the game really shines imo is the way they setup the skill tree, where you can branch out and try a really diverse range of builds. D3 is a bit of a joke in that regard. You should definitely at least try out the game, it's going open beta in a few days. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On January 22 2013 02:20 furlyman wrote: Man, figuring out a good build is tough in this game, lot to learn. Must do more research before open beta!!!! ON the topic of bow builds, I want to play a ranger. However, almost all the builds I have looked over are Phys dmg builds and from everything I have read here and on the official forums Ele bow builds in the way to go. The few ele bow builds on the forums seem extremely gear reliant, any suggestions on a good ele bow build (skills, supports, ect?). figuring out a build by yourself might be hard if you go on the PoE forums and look for a popular build that many players like and play it yourself, then I think build making becomes much easier after you get a feel for the skill tree by following someone's build and then adjust it based off of your own player preference the hardest part about build making imo is finding similar passive skills since they're all in different locations | ||
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T0F4sT
Netherlands317 Posts
I want to use Split Arrow+Faster Attacks+Weapon Elemental Damage+Lifeleech+Life Gain on Hit for AoE attacks. Elemental Hit+Faster Attacks+Weapon Elemental Damage+Lifeleech/Life Gain on Hit for Single target attack. A max level Split Arrow shoots 5 arrows. Chain and Fork are both nerfed on Alpha(you will deal around 50% of your damage). But because of the big amount of arrows of the skill itself it you won't really need Chain or Fork for AoE damage. Using 3 auras: Wrath, Anger and Grace. I don't know If I should go for the Vaal Pact and drop the life regen and don't use hp pots. Because I don't know how it will work on reflect damage mobs(with the Heal over Time). If you have max resist(80% on all) you only take 4% reflect damage of your hit. With Vaal pact life leech applies instantly, so having an 4% life leech gem is enough against reflect damage mobs. The downside of going for Vaal pact is that, if you use a build like this, you get a BIG amount of life ( think around 5000-6000) So 4% life regen = 200-240 life per second, and you can also use instant pots if needed. With the buffs to Lifeleech and Life Gain on Hit, it will make the build even stronger. + Show Spoiler + Some thoughts? | ||
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Tennet
United States1458 Posts
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incifan
Germany138 Posts
Yea, you can go to the forum and look at guide or copy a build of a streamer if you think it is fun. However I suggest you build your own and take other builds only as a guideline and inspiration of what is possible. Yes you will make mistakes, but you will also learn alot which for me was great fun during closed beta and very likely will be during open beta. | ||
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T0F4sT
Netherlands317 Posts
On January 22 2013 02:43 Tennet wrote: I'm doing something similar actually, but I'm going to still try chain and stuff. I don't think Vaal Pact is that good because the only you can have is hitting stuff so if there is nothing around you to hit and you're on a chaos DoT map, you will get closer and closer to death until you can find something to hit but even then you would be at higher and higher risk. Survivability with Life Regen and Flasks is much better. I've also noticed with life leech that your life per second goes up a ton on hit then goes back to your normal regen.. Nice to hear. I also went for a lot of movement speed for even faster clearing speed. With the new quicksilver flasks coming out. I might want to use 2 hp flasks 1 granite flask and 2 quicksilver flasks. | ||
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Glull
Germany404 Posts
if you want one, just send me a short pm if you are a senior member of tl or a longer pm if you are relatively new. | ||
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incifan
Germany138 Posts
That said, using Split Arrow without Chain it will be hard to kill yourself on reflect mobs even if you crit every one. | ||
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