EPTOn October 20 2011 04:50 Retric wrote:
Dortmund is such a shame.
Dortmund is such a shame.
Players have been shuffled way to much this season.
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
Players have been shuffled way to much this season. | ||
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duckii
Germany1017 Posts
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Retric
Germany284 Posts
"Bundesliga pays the price for their youth madness" or "Germany supports Greece, not only financially" edit: thank god Leverkusen 2 : 1 Valencia | ||
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Mavkar
Germany592 Posts
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TranceStorm
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Retric
Germany284 Posts
On October 20 2011 06:12 TranceStorm wrote: Hmm, it seems to be the trend that German champions who aren't Bayern have trouble replicating their good form in the next season. Is it just because they lose some of their players and struggle with the increased workloads of their new schedules? Yes, 2007 Stuttgart: always ups and downs 2009 Wolfsburg: complete failure, almost relegated into the second league last season 2011 Dortmund: see above, well at least they are third in the bundesliga but i cannot recall those clubs losing players (except Sahin who went to Real Madrid this summer) maybe dzeko, but he stayed a while before he left.... the thing is....german clubs are poor and do not invest, clubs like Inter (Massimo Moratti / Oil), AC Miland (Berlusconi / Media), Juventus (invested already 100 mio with another 150 mio coming), Chelsea (Abramowitsch / Oil), ManCity (some arab guy / Oil), Barca (big bank loans/ insane TV rights revenue), Real Madrid (same) invest insanely every season, thus they can have constant progress. (example: dortmund bought perisic for 6 mio, lost sahin, thats it) The squads of german clubs are very thin quality wise, thus they cannot handle the pressure of competing internationally and in the bundesliga, which leads to a collapse, and due to the collapse they do not reach uefa cup or champions league ranks in the bundesliga, which leads again to lack of income..... | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On October 20 2011 06:19 Retric wrote: Yes, 2007 Stuttgart: always ups and downs 2009 Wolfsburg: complete failure, almost relegated into the second league last season 2011 Dortmund: see above, well at least they are third in the bundesliga but i cannot recall those clubs losing players (except Sahin who went to Real Madrid this summer) maybe dzeko, but he stayed a while before he left.... Wolfsburg lost their manager after winning the title and Dzeko was unhappy since they didn't want to sell him, not even for 40 million €. I don't know what's wrong with Dortmund, yes they lost a central figure in Sahin and Barrios was injured, but it seems like the level of the individual performances dropped as well. The defense looks very shaky in the Champions League  edit: Arsenal, ManCity and ManU all won their games but not in a very convincing fashion. Only Chelsea seems to show the same level of dominance we are used to from PL clubs. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On October 20 2011 06:19 Retric wrote: The squads of german clubs are very thin quality wise, thus they cannot handle the pressure of competing internationally and in the bundesliga, which leads to a collapse, and due to the collapse they do not reach uefa cup or champions league ranks in the bundesliga, which leads again to lack of income..... Schalke's squad last year was very deep (and they were very successful in the CL) and everyone complained about it  | ||
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
On October 20 2011 06:42 Maenander wrote: Wolfsburg lost their manager after winning the title and Dzeko was unhappy since they didn't want to sell him, not even for 40 million €. I don't know what's wrong with Dortmund, yes they lost a central figure in Sahin and Barrios was injured, but it seems like the level of the individual performances dropped as well. The defense looks very shaky in the Champions League edit: Arsenal, ManCity and ManU all won their games but not in a very convincing fashion. Only Chelsea seems to show the same level of dominance we are used to from PL clubs. I follow Dortmund and I have no idea why there was a drop in form with Hummels and Subotic. Piszczek is playing well although he plays best with kuba on the wing in front of him (they both play together on the Polish nt. Smeltzer is completely overrated. In the dm spots Bender is doing well but Gundogan is failing hard. GroBkreatz and Kagawa seem to be out of form and Klopp is changing the 3 forward mid positions to often, Kagawa, GroBkreatz, Gotze, Kuba and Perisic. Lewy is getting little support up front, especially compared to how much Barrios got last year. Barrios needs to get back in form although I think he is a bit overrated. On the bright side, I think it just looks bad because BVB played their toughest opponent at home while playing the other two away. When Marseille and Olympiakos come to Dortmund, they will surely have trouble. BVB play arsenal last and by that time, Arsenal will probably already have clinched the top spot and not field their strongest team. There is still a chance that Dortmund will come second out of the group. | ||
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TranceStorm
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On October 20 2011 06:19 Retric wrote: Yes, 2007 Stuttgart: always ups and downs 2009 Wolfsburg: complete failure, almost relegated into the second league last season 2011 Dortmund: see above, well at least they are third in the bundesliga but i cannot recall those clubs losing players (except Sahin who went to Real Madrid this summer) maybe dzeko, but he stayed a while before he left.... the thing is....german clubs are poor and do not invest, clubs like Inter (Massimo Moratti / Oil), AC Miland (Berlusconi / Media), Juventus (invested already 100 mio with another 150 mio coming), Chelsea (Abramowitsch / Oil), ManCity (some arab guy / Oil), Barca (big bank loans/ insane TV rights revenue), Real Madrid (same) invest insanely every season, thus they can have constant progress. (example: dortmund bought perisic for 6 mio, lost sahin, thats it) The squads of german clubs are very thin quality wise, thus they cannot handle the pressure of competing internationally and in the bundesliga, which leads to a collapse, and due to the collapse they do not reach uefa cup or champions league ranks in the bundesliga, which leads again to lack of income..... Isn't it true though that german clubs have more balanced budgets (i.e. they aren't incurring massive losses like other European clubs). I suppose that you really need tons of money to run a successful club nowadays. | ||
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ViperPL
Poland1775 Posts
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Retric
Germany284 Posts
On October 20 2011 06:50 Maenander wrote: Schalke's squad last year was very deep (and they were very successful in the CL) and everyone complained about it yes, but Schalke reached the semi final just because Inter was really really really bad and had a really really really bad manager. And Schalke finished only 14th in the Bundesliga. I just want a german club (not bayern) to reach a champions league spot in the bundesliga two times in a row. Well I really hope that Dortmund will achieve that this season since we took over Italy's third place and have 3 + 1 positions for the champions league. | ||
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meatbox
Australia349 Posts
On October 20 2011 17:11 Retric wrote: yes, but Schalke reached the semi final just because Inter was really really really bad and had a really really really bad manager. And Schalke finished only 14th in the Bundesliga. I just want a german club (not bayern) to reach a champions league spot in the bundesliga two times in a row. Well I really hope that Dortmund will achieve that this season since we took over Italy's third place and have 3 + 1 positions for the champions league. still burning from that crappy week from inter mate , inter lose 3-0 to milan on the weekend, then 2-5 after being ahead at 1-0 and 2-1 , season over in 4 days  Olympiakos against Marseille were dire but deserved at least a point against Arsenal, possibly 3 points, luckily I did pick them to win, paying almost $4 at home to dortmund LOL, your thoughts on the return leg in Germany? Keep in mind 3 unlikely wins will be enough most likely  | ||
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meatbox
Australia349 Posts
On October 20 2011 03:41 DragoonPK wrote: yeah Coutinho plays pretty well everytime I see him. Sadley he is injured for now. Zarate is quickly becoming an awesome weapon for Inter. El Capitano Zanetti and Snjider are exactly how you said they are, they bring the best out of the team. Alverez doesn't preform well, but there are still tons of opportunity for him to show potential. Hoping for another win sunday! Forza El Nerazzuri! Hope so, the flying donkeys are a tough opponent unfortunately, unbeaten in their last 4 Serie A fixtures... hopefully Andrea Poli and Coutinho return soon, they can compete for places imo, Stankovic, Motta, Cambiasso are not at the same level they were 2 years ago, picking Muntari against Catania was a poor decision , I knew they'd lose | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On October 20 2011 17:11 Retric wrote: I just want a german club (not bayern) to reach a champions league spot in the bundesliga two times in a row. Well I really hope that Dortmund will achieve that this season since we took over Italy's third place and have 3 + 1 positions for the champions league. Bremen? They just invested in their stadium and not in their roster. | ||
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meatbox
Australia349 Posts
http://footballanarchy.com/2011/08/27/why-serie-a-won’t-retain-four-champions-league-places/ | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28712 Posts
gotta suck to be that stupid and also that much in the spotlight. | ||
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BarbieHsu
574 Posts
On October 23 2011 03:31 Liquid`Drone wrote: im pretty certain he's technically retarded by now gotta suck to be that stupid and also that much in the spotlight. The money and doing work he loves must soothe his anguish. Nice article on ESPN today about up and coming playmakers, including Marvin the Martin. | ||
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Holgerius
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