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On May 07 2012 21:38 Surrealistic wrote:German 27 provisional squad for Euros. 4 players will be cut. Show nested quote +Manuel Neuer (Bayern Munich), Tim Wiese (Werder Bremen), Ron Robert Zieler (Hannover), Marc-Andre ter Stegen (Borussia Mönchengladbach); Holger Badstuber, Jerome Boateng, Philipp Lahm (all Bayern Munich), Benedikt Höwedes (Schalke), Mats Hummels, Marcel Schmelzer (both Borussia Dortmund), Per Mertesacker (Arsenal); Sven Bender, Mario Götze, Ilkay Gundogan (all Borussia Dortmund), Lars Bender, Andre Schürrle (both Bayer Leverkusen), Julian Draxler (Schalke), Toni Kroos, Thomas Muller, Bastian Schweinsteiger (all Bayern Munich), Sami Khedira, Mesut Ozil (both Real Madrid), Marco Reus (Borussia Monchengladbach); Lukas Podolski (Cologne), Cacau (Stuttgart), Mario Gomez (Bayern Munich), Miroslav Klose (Lazio). What does Weidenfeller have to do to be considered for the national team? I think Low has missed a trick by not considering Hanke or Kiessling - Cacau is terrible. Only two full backs as well, arguably because nobody else is particularly good - though Jantsche deserves a shot.
international experience is a matter, weidenfeller just played 6 euro league and 6 CL games, and to be honest: despite the penalty save against robben he is not as good as neuer/wiese/ter stegen.
and: what i personally think matters the most: löw wants intelligent players: weidenfeller and großkreutz (played a better season than müller imo) for instance are.... not very bright (no insult intended). you just need to listen to any interview of weidenfeller....
and Cacau is currently used to be a bench player, which will be his role in the EC; all the other potential candidates (hanke/helmes/kießling) are starters.
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On May 07 2012 21:38 Surrealistic wrote:German 27 provisional squad for Euros. 4 players will be cut. Show nested quote +Manuel Neuer (Bayern Munich), Tim Wiese (Werder Bremen), Ron Robert Zieler (Hannover), Marc-Andre ter Stegen (Borussia Mönchengladbach); Holger Badstuber, Jerome Boateng, Philipp Lahm (all Bayern Munich), Benedikt Höwedes (Schalke), Mats Hummels, Marcel Schmelzer (both Borussia Dortmund), Per Mertesacker (Arsenal); Sven Bender, Mario Götze, Ilkay Gundogan (all Borussia Dortmund), Lars Bender, Andre Schürrle (both Bayer Leverkusen), Julian Draxler (Schalke), Toni Kroos, Thomas Muller, Bastian Schweinsteiger (all Bayern Munich), Sami Khedira, Mesut Ozil (both Real Madrid), Marco Reus (Borussia Monchengladbach); Lukas Podolski (Cologne), Cacau (Stuttgart), Mario Gomez (Bayern Munich), Miroslav Klose (Lazio). What does Weidenfeller have to do to be considered for the national team? I think Low has missed a trick by not considering Hanke or Kiessling - Cacau is terrible. Only two full backs as well, arguably because nobody else is particularly good - though Jantsche deserves a shot.
I agree in that I would have liked to see Kießling or Helmes over Cacau. Löw stated in the Press Conference that he considers Helmes to be a Striker that shines in counterattacking scenarios where he gets a lot of space, and Cacau to be better in Situations where the Defense is positioned "deep", which he thinks they will encounter more of in the Euro. He also said that Cacau always did well coming of the bench before. He didn't comment on why not Kießling though.
In regards to our defense, I really hope that Schmelzer makes the cut as our left full back because i consider him to be a good deal better on that position than all the other candidates Löw nominated but that may also be my Dortmund bias speaking 
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Yea I think Cacau is just experienced cover really. Throw him in situationally pretty much. But I doubt he sees to much action. Alot of those in the midfield lineup can play advanced positions really well. Especially the way Low's teams setup.
I think Wiese should get the nod to backup Neur. Dont know who else will of the remaining 2 will get it. Id be surprised otherwise but I dont know the other guys to well so I may well be wrong. Rest of the squad will pick itself pretty much. So much quality there pfft.
Now if only Alaba had been born across the border or pulled a Klose/Podolski.. *Rubs chin*
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On May 07 2012 21:47 popzags wrote:
Neuer - Lahm, Hummels, Badstuber, Boateng - Mueller, Khedira, Ozil, Kroos, Schweinsteiger - Gomez
IMBA AS F*CK
Yeah, our team this year is indeed quite "imba" (LOL). I don't think we could have said this ever since maybe 1990, but everything but the tiltle will be a disappointment this year.
That obviously puts quite some pressure on the team, but German sides are known for peak-performing at big tournaments, so I'm pretty optimistic.
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On May 07 2012 22:17 eLyx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 21:38 Surrealistic wrote:German 27 provisional squad for Euros. 4 players will be cut. Manuel Neuer (Bayern Munich), Tim Wiese (Werder Bremen), Ron Robert Zieler (Hannover), Marc-Andre ter Stegen (Borussia Mönchengladbach); Holger Badstuber, Jerome Boateng, Philipp Lahm (all Bayern Munich), Benedikt Höwedes (Schalke), Mats Hummels, Marcel Schmelzer (both Borussia Dortmund), Per Mertesacker (Arsenal); Sven Bender, Mario Götze, Ilkay Gundogan (all Borussia Dortmund), Lars Bender, Andre Schürrle (both Bayer Leverkusen), Julian Draxler (Schalke), Toni Kroos, Thomas Muller, Bastian Schweinsteiger (all Bayern Munich), Sami Khedira, Mesut Ozil (both Real Madrid), Marco Reus (Borussia Monchengladbach); Lukas Podolski (Cologne), Cacau (Stuttgart), Mario Gomez (Bayern Munich), Miroslav Klose (Lazio). What does Weidenfeller have to do to be considered for the national team? I think Low has missed a trick by not considering Hanke or Kiessling - Cacau is terrible. Only two full backs as well, arguably because nobody else is particularly good - though Jantsche deserves a shot. In regards to our defense, I really hope that Schmelzer makes the cut as our left full back because i consider him to be a good deal better on that position than all the other candidates Löw nominated but that may also be my Dortmund bias speaking
imagine schmelzer defending against nani or robben - nightmare !
(and yes i know he played well against robben in the bundesliga, but in the national squad its a whole different deal, just look at his CL performance, horrible)
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On May 07 2012 22:10 Retric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 21:38 Surrealistic wrote:German 27 provisional squad for Euros. 4 players will be cut. Manuel Neuer (Bayern Munich), Tim Wiese (Werder Bremen), Ron Robert Zieler (Hannover), Marc-Andre ter Stegen (Borussia Mönchengladbach); Holger Badstuber, Jerome Boateng, Philipp Lahm (all Bayern Munich), Benedikt Höwedes (Schalke), Mats Hummels, Marcel Schmelzer (both Borussia Dortmund), Per Mertesacker (Arsenal); Sven Bender, Mario Götze, Ilkay Gundogan (all Borussia Dortmund), Lars Bender, Andre Schürrle (both Bayer Leverkusen), Julian Draxler (Schalke), Toni Kroos, Thomas Muller, Bastian Schweinsteiger (all Bayern Munich), Sami Khedira, Mesut Ozil (both Real Madrid), Marco Reus (Borussia Monchengladbach); Lukas Podolski (Cologne), Cacau (Stuttgart), Mario Gomez (Bayern Munich), Miroslav Klose (Lazio). What does Weidenfeller have to do to be considered for the national team? I think Low has missed a trick by not considering Hanke or Kiessling - Cacau is terrible. Only two full backs as well, arguably because nobody else is particularly good - though Jantsche deserves a shot. and: what i personally think matters the most: löw wants intelligent players: weidenfeller and großkreutz (played a better season than müller imo) for instance are.... not very bright (no insult intended). you just need to listen to any interview of weidenfeller....
*Cough* Tim Wiese *Cough* :D
Not that I'm a huge Weidenfeller fan, but arguing he nominated Wiese because he's more intelligent than Weidenfeller is pretty loltastic, given Wiese is a pretty huge bum.
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On May 07 2012 22:23 SACtheXchng wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 22:10 Retric wrote:On May 07 2012 21:38 Surrealistic wrote:German 27 provisional squad for Euros. 4 players will be cut. Manuel Neuer (Bayern Munich), Tim Wiese (Werder Bremen), Ron Robert Zieler (Hannover), Marc-Andre ter Stegen (Borussia Mönchengladbach); Holger Badstuber, Jerome Boateng, Philipp Lahm (all Bayern Munich), Benedikt Höwedes (Schalke), Mats Hummels, Marcel Schmelzer (both Borussia Dortmund), Per Mertesacker (Arsenal); Sven Bender, Mario Götze, Ilkay Gundogan (all Borussia Dortmund), Lars Bender, Andre Schürrle (both Bayer Leverkusen), Julian Draxler (Schalke), Toni Kroos, Thomas Muller, Bastian Schweinsteiger (all Bayern Munich), Sami Khedira, Mesut Ozil (both Real Madrid), Marco Reus (Borussia Monchengladbach); Lukas Podolski (Cologne), Cacau (Stuttgart), Mario Gomez (Bayern Munich), Miroslav Klose (Lazio). What does Weidenfeller have to do to be considered for the national team? I think Low has missed a trick by not considering Hanke or Kiessling - Cacau is terrible. Only two full backs as well, arguably because nobody else is particularly good - though Jantsche deserves a shot. and: what i personally think matters the most: löw wants intelligent players: weidenfeller and großkreutz (played a better season than müller imo) for instance are.... not very bright (no insult intended). you just need to listen to any interview of weidenfeller.... *Cough* Tim Wiese *Cough* :D Not that I'm a huge Weidenfeller fan, but arguing he nominated Wiese because he's more intelligent than Weidenfeller is pretty loltastic, given Wiese is a pretty huge bum.
just because wiese is (i am sorry) a dick and likes to go tanning every day, doesn't necessarily make him stupid.
compare the interviews both players give. big difference
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Well, he goes tanning every day...
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On May 07 2012 21:47 popzags wrote:
Neuer - Lahm, Hummels, Badstuber, Boateng - Mueller, Khedira, Ozil, Kroos, Schweinsteiger - Gomez
IMBA AS F*CK
lol to think that is only a sample starting XI for Germany. To think Mario Gotze, Marco Reus, and Miroslav Klose are alternate options is just scary XD
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I just read that this season in Serie A, Milan have only picked up 7 out of 30 possible points against the other 5 of the top 6 teams: Inter, Juventus, Napoli, Udinese, and Lazio
1 win, 5 losses, 4 draws. So disheartening for a team that is supposedly Italian championship material...
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Neuer - Lahm, Hummels, Badstuber, Boateng - Mueller, Khedira, Ozil, Kroos, Schweinsteiger - Gomez
This team will never ever play.
Thats the starting squad:
Neuer - Hummels, Boateng, Schmelzer, Lahm - Khedira, Schweinsteiger, Götze, Reus, Özil - Gomez
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On May 07 2012 23:22 Manni Bender wrote:Show nested quote +Neuer - Lahm, Hummels, Badstuber, Boateng - Mueller, Khedira, Ozil, Kroos, Schweinsteiger - Gomez This team will never ever play. Thats the starting squad: Neuer - Hummels, Boateng, Schmelzer, Lahm - Khedira, Schweinsteiger, Götze, Reus, Özil - Gomez
Who are you, Yogi Löw?
I appreciate your opinion of what the starting XI will be, however saying: "thats [sic] the starting squad" is even more funny than the fact that you put three full backs in the back-4 (unless you think Boateng is a better choice for center back than Badstuber which is beyond LOL).
A bit less omniscience would do you good.
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On May 07 2012 23:22 Manni Bender wrote:Show nested quote +Neuer - Lahm, Hummels, Badstuber, Boateng - Mueller, Khedira, Ozil, Kroos, Schweinsteiger - Gomez This team will never ever play. Thats the starting squad: Neuer - Hummels, Boateng, Schmelzer, Lahm - Khedira, Schweinsteiger, Götze, Reus, Özil - Gomez
no it is going to be lahm as left back, boateng right back, badstuber and hummels center.
it is mind blowing that you do not put badstuber into the starting lineup.
götze won't start either, he was currently injured, podolski will start on the left like always and müller / reus on the right.
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I didn't mention Helmes because I do think he is "just" a goalscorer like Gomez, while Hanke would offer something different. Reus wouldn't be amazing if he was partnered with somebody like Gomez this season. Hard to argue with Low though.
Why do people consider Boateng a full back? At the World Cup he was tried there and wasn't good. At Man City he was tried there he wasn't good. When Heyncles decided he didn't like Rafinha, he was tried there and wasn't any good. Boateng has played the Bayern season at centre back anyway.
Schmelzer has to make the team - he is the best left back, well Lahm is but he's kinda needed on the right, - and I'm a Schalke fan so definitely no bias here. Speaking of which, don't expect Draxler at all to make it, obviously just there so he could familiarise himself with the international setup, probably should make WC 2014 at the rate he is improving. Howedes deserves to be there though, ahead of Mertesacker easily.
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On May 07 2012 23:46 Surrealistic wrote:
I didn't mention Helmes because I do think he is "just" a goalscorer like Gomez, while Hanke would offer something different. Reus wouldn't be amazing if he was partnered with somebody like Gomez this season. Hard to argue with Low though.
Why do people consider Boateng a full back? At the World Cup he was tried there and wasn't good. At Man City he was tried there he wasn't good. When Heyncles decided he didn't like Rafinha, he was tried there and wasn't any good. Boateng has played the Bayern season at centre back anyway.
Schmelzer has to make the team - he is the best left back, well Lahm is but he's kinda needed on the right, - and I'm a Schalke fan so definitely no bias here. Speaking of which, don't expect Draxler at all to make it, obviously just there so he could familiarise himself with the international setup, probably should make WC 2014 at the rate he is improving. Howedes deserves to be there though, ahead of Mertesacker easily.
The problem is, we only have one world class full back, so we'll have to improvise on that position. Having Schmelzer play left back is a viable option of course, but so is Boateng, seeing as both aren't particularly great at that position. However the guy I quoted put Boateng into CB when we have a truly world class option there with Badstuber, and Boateng is needed at FB where we don't.
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it looks like M'vila will be signing for arsenal too.
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No Kiessling or Helmes is just stupid from Loew.
The two most dangerous German strikers of 2012
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On May 08 2012 00:23 sharkie wrote:
No Kiessling or Helmes is just stupid from Loew.
The two most dangerous German strikers of 2012
LOL, are you serious? They are good, no question about that, but "The two most dangerous German strikers of 2012"? I mean, REALLY???
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Helmes is certainly better than Cacau... its Cacaus schwaben-bonus that gets him in.
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On May 08 2012 00:57 paschl wrote:
Helmes is certainly better than Cacau... its Cacaus schwaben-bonus that gets him in.
That may or may not be true. He's not one of the two most dangerous German strikers of 2012 though.
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